My opinion is Purdue going to represent the USA is a big honor, this should help recruiting.
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I'm not making a big deal out of this. I made a point, and I'm defending myself. Would you be happier if I flip flopped?
why did JJJ choose MSU over Purdue? Only JJJ really knows. His friends, family and coaches probably have an idea. But ultimately , it was his decision.
Deciding on a school and team to play for is a complex decision, unless your last name is Porter and your dad tells you that you are playing for Missouri. I believe there are many factors that go into that decision process. No this tourney is not the prime factor, But I believe for the athletes that are interested in Purdue, this tourney is a factor. If an athlete is not interested in Purdue, the outcome of this tourney would be meaningless. But for a guy like Ahrens who has narrowed his choices, the outcome of this tourney could be what sways him to Purdue over Michigan and OSU.
That's all I'm saying. I don't feel like I'm super analyzing this. I'm not talking about TO to assist ratio, or projecting points per 40 minutes, or talking about rotation and substitution patterns or WAR stats. I'm just stating the outcome of these games could be a factor in certain recruit's decision to choose or not choose Purdue. And I can't believe my thought has received this much attention.
ok I got ya, I know you like to put all your thoughts out there, just giving my opinion
I would think that the tweets ,pictures, and other media accounts showing the team travelling and having a great time would be more beneficial to recruiting than winning or losing games. If I were a 17/18 year old kid ,that dreams of going places and having a great time while doing it, and representing my country on top of it, would have a big impact on me.
Anything that is positive can be a selling point and anything that is negative "may" be used against you. I do not know the effect of the world games since much of the team getting a lot of minutes will be gone for future recruits. The play of those that would be a teammate for a potential recruit might appeal or not appeal to a recruit, but if they are not major factors in playing games before the season actually starts I'm not sure how a recruit judges that. I think a recruits major thoughts for "many" are playing time, teammates (do I fit in the culture), location, major, playing style and what kind of coach would I be playing for? Some recruits have stars in their eyes and are interested in the bright lights and the "feeling" that certain coaches might "develop" you for the pro game...I guess only believing that the college game is totally different...even though we know most of the game is the same. You still need to defend, rebound, dribble, pass and shoot well.
If we are going to start throwing out that some coaches are better at developing for the pros (not necessarily for the game itself or college ball) we need to understand a few things about developmental "gain" as opposed to end point skill or athleticism. Should we be surprised if a coach that regularly gets 5 star players ends up having more pro players than a coach that has 2 star players? How much gain did the highly acclaimed players get under coach A that they wouldn't under coach B?
I realize there is some error in star ranking, but the direction is accurate and the magnitude is reasonable. Let's take this to a classroom and consider that the cultures are similar but classroom A has IQ's between 120 and 130 where as classroom B has IQs between 110 and 120. Shouldn't we expect that "if" IQ is truly a main effect of significance... that the classroom A should have high achievement scores than classroom B with all other variables being essentially equal? With all things being the same I think we would believe that to be a true statement. However, is it possible that more gain took place in classroom B than A.. closing the gap, but still falling short of catching A? Yes, that can be very true...and so perhaps we are seeing the self fullfilling prophesy taking place relative to players in the NBA and coaches "helping them get there"...
I am sure the top recruits in the country probably have their pulse on all things basketball much more than we do and probably know that the deck is stacked against the USA (Purdue) in this tourney. Imagine that absolute destruction that would occur if the USA took a team of All Stars...even from a single big conference like the B1G...to this event. Teaming Isaac and Vincent with Miles Bridges would be a front line no other team could even come close to competing with. Imagine that now with a country full of college stars that were given an entire summer to gel together....it wouldn't be pretty.
OK, you asked. I have worked with recruits at Purdue for many years - all sports, but mostly football and basketball. I have a son that played D1 basketball, been there at a LOW level, got the T-shirt.
Why a top 100 (name any number that indicate he has offers from top programs) guy goes where he goes is totally different from where lower recruits go (they tend to take the highest level school that offers). No similarity. I'll focus on what I have learned from many, many recruits that are at the higher level (well, maybe not many, many as there aren't that many, but Joe Barry, Hammons, Big Dog, and some that didn't come here) . the answer is - THEY DON'T KNOW (and at times roll their eyes, but by that time, they're "here/there!" and aren't going to change for a year ... then they transfer - or not. They have described it (yes, I am combining a lot of different descriptions) as spinning around in a circle with their offers surrounding them on the floor, getting really dizzy, and choosing the school their finger pointed at when they fell to the floor. Use this as symbolic of the turmoil, stress, pressure, and relationship issues, that come from family, friends, mentors, coaches, teammates, future coaches, and future teammates.
I can list some things that the recruits who try hard to make a great choice prioritize. 1. Head coach's love and lust (if he doesn't really, really want the recruit, then no - and PLEASE, recruits can LOVE several head coaches. This does NOT mean Painter needs to show more love!!!!!) 2. teammates' love. Do they feel wanted and excitement from the main players? Why would they spend years with a small group of guys who wish they weren't there or that have different priorities than the recruit does. 3. Ability for family to see them. Sure, Indiana kids go to West Coast schools, but does that mean their parents don't move there, or get an apartment there or whatever. 4. Playing time. Good players have never sat and can't imagine how they would handle sitting. It is nasty and undesirable. 5. Does the school play a lot of good teams? Will they play against good players, be challenged to show how good they are? --- and these five aspects can intermingle and have vastly different priorities for different recruits.
The people who keep saying that Phinisee will be a terrible loss due to his being right in our backyard. Nope. His backyard extends from U-Wisconsin to U-Kentucky and all points in-between. PU, UW, MICH, MSU, OSU, IU, ILL, (Xavier, Butler, Marquette) and other teams on those teams schedules are both easily drivable for home games and play a lot of away games within that same backyard. His family is well capable of making most/all home games at any of those schools.
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thanks. that was good. my son chose the opportunity to participate on a track team at a lesser school, than to go to the higher rated academic school. the scholarships he received were both academic oriented, so the cost came out the same. He thought Univ of Illinois was too preppy, so he followed his friends to SIU. yes, he's a 4 year starter on a Div 1 nationally ranked track team, but dad would have preferred he chased that CPA degree at U of I.
What you described seems very accurate. if you're an elite player, it's a mad house. if you're not, yo u take the best offer presented. We have a local 4* TE who is trying to decide between offers from Georgia, Illinois (home state) Alabama and Texas. (he has a lot of other offers) he's leaning towards Texas ,and leaning away from Alabama. and like elite players, he wants to start by his sophomore season. While Alabama is his best offer, he feels like he may sit on the bench for his duration there.
I'm proud of Purdue playing in these games. and I believe a positive result can be a factor. how much of one? With an elite player, it's a crapshoot.
