I am a bit concerned, given our soft Big 10 schedule, that Hazell just might win enough games to keep his job. I am always glad to see us win but I think that keeping DH with let's say, a 6-6 record, simply prolongs the inevitable.
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I've long said that DH2 needs to win a minimum of 7 games to be truly safe a secure. Even if the team gets to 6, that probably means the Heart of Dallas Bowl and that would probably be a higher level Conference USA team. Looking at this season, that probably means MTSU, Southern Miss, or Western Kentucky. Those three opponents would prove to be good matchups for Purdue this season. Heck, if it is WKU...put a bet down that which ever coach wins that game get to be the Purdue coach since Brohm's name has been thrown out around here a bunch.
Yes- but he wouldn't have earned an extension with 6 wins, or even 7 IMO.
An extension would potentially help us. When we extended Hope, we reduced his buyout and spread it over more time to pay it. We would do the same with Hazell most likely. The extension would likely not be garunteed and lengthen the term we'd have to pay him the rest of his garunteed $$$
I don't worry about extensions. Done correctly that can reduce our liability on the buyout.
It will be how the new AD defines success. If it is progress, 6 wins would probably give him another year. Hazell would double his win total over his last 3 years. If it ticket sales and fan and alumni support, 6 wins are probably not enough.
I don't see any way the Haze agrees to anything less than the $4.4 million he's owed after this season.
Then we let him go and move on. He has a future to protect as well. Take the $$$ and leave fired, or take a slight reduction with the hopes to make more through the future.
He can go out on his shield but if he does, it's likely the last payday with 7 figures or even high 6 figures he gets.
You have to get out of the super negative mindset. Purdue holds all the cards to their football destiny and getting 6 or 7 wins this year doesn't mean anything negative to the program long term IMO.
Never said 7 wins would be bad- as long as there isn't an extension that guarantees Hazell a dime over the $4.4 million.
That thought has crossed my mind as well. BUT... let's wait and see how the next two weeks play out. Purdue probably has to win @Maryland and @Illinois in order to have a realistic chance of getting to six.
I've yet to see anything that suggests Haze can sustain even the smallest modicum of success, much less mold it into a .500 season (even with a super friendly schedule). Maybe he'll surprise us.
My bet is that if Purdue does go 6-6, MB2 will probably offer him a Danny Hope-like extension with terms friendly to Purdue. Haze could either take it and try to build on modest success or he could take the larger buy-out and concede that his head coaching career is probably over.
I like the fact that you guys think that Purdue is even allowed to call any schedule "soft" while Hazell has been here. We aren't going 6-6, and if we miraculously do so, than this team would have turned a corner considering they'd have won more B1G games this year than the previous 3 combined.
There wouldn't be. He just doesn't have that power unless he wins 7 and a bowl i'd say. And likelihood of that is pretty low at this point.
So if he declines the extension and lower buyout after winning six or seven games, are we firing him?
Or continue into 2017 with 2 years left on his deal?
Our OL is so thin I don't see much danger of us winning four Big Ten games.
Doesnt matter to me honestly. I think he's gotta show improvement over several years for him to be considered a long term, viable option. I just think every win this year over 6 sets the bar higher for next year. If he missed a bowl this year, next or 2018 he would likely be gone.
I'd say require that he sign an extension that makes the terms of his contract more friendly to Purdue or cut him loose. Even at 6-6, Haze would only be 12-36 (6-27) in four years. That's still more than worthy of a firing.
But again, my position is let's not even worry about it until we see what happens @Maryland and @Illinois. IMO, Purdue has to bag both to have a realistic chance at .500. I just don't see it happening.
I think we nab 1. We oddly seem to play better on the road than at home.
At that point I still think we could win 3 more....but it does make 6-6 less likely. I do think there will be a few games we get blown out in but I also think like in previous years we will hang with some teams that are better than us. We could convert some of those. If we don't, we are likely looking for a new coach.
Maybe this is naive, but could even a 5-7 (3-6) year that ends with a win over Indiana be enough to present an opportunity instead of a quandary for Purdue?
Could MB2 sit Haze down and give him two options:
Option 1: Haze, this has been your best season, and the team is finally showing signs of progress. We'd like to offer you an extension, but we're going to rework the terms of your contract to make them more friendly to Purdue. Specifically, we're going to reduce the buy-out significantly. If you accept, we'll publicly support you, put our resources at your disposal, and make every effort to rally the fan base behind the progress you've shown.
OR
Option 2: Haze, you've declined the terms that we think are acceptable given your body of work to date, and we therefore have not choice but to terminate your contract and move in another direction.
Then we'll see. Is Haze really in it to build a winner at Purdue? Or, would he rather take the hefty buy-out and try his luck somewhere else?
Could MB2 sit Haze down and give him two options:
Option 1: Haze, this has been your best season, and the team is finally showing signs of progress. We'd like to offer you an extension, but we're going to rework the terms of your contract to make them more friendly to Purdue. Specifically, we're going to reduce the buy-out significantly. If you accept, we'll publicly support you, put our resources at your disposal, and make every effort to rally the fan base behind the progress you've shown.
OR
Option 2: Haze, you've declined the terms that we think are acceptable given your body of work to date, and we therefore have not choice but to terminate your contract and move in another direction.
Then we'll see. Is Haze really in it to build a winner at Purdue? Or, would he rather take the hefty buy-out and try his luck somewhere else?
Don't worry.
This team will do face plant after face plant this season. They will struggle to win 2 more games this season. Hazell WILL be fired.
This team will do face plant after face plant this season. They will struggle to win 2 more games this season. Hazell WILL be fired.
Could be. FWIW, Purdue is not favored in any remaining games in espn's matchup predictor. In only two games (@IL, NU) does espn give Purdue even a 40% chance of winning.
It will sort itself out. I for one think the best thing for Purdue would be for Hazell to win 7+ games this season and be given a vote of confidence and extension which will help recruiting and get things trending upward. If we won 7 games that means the change of coordinators was a massive help and the previous 3 seasons shouldn't weigh quite as heavily. Malone's offense puts up a lot of yardage it appears which I think can be a big selling point to recruits.
If we win 6 games or less and Hazell gets let go, I won't have an issue with that. But starting over from scratch to me is less favorable (unless we paid a top coach to come) versus trying to find the next flash in a pan MAC coach who we hope will recruit better. A 6 or 7 win season and a bowl game with the new coordinators should be looked at as a positive come seasons end and not a negative that it means Hazell gets extended.
I think Hazell is learning from his mistakes and I hope we win enough games that we don't have to start over again. I still think we win 7 games this season.
If we win 6 games or less and Hazell gets let go, I won't have an issue with that. But starting over from scratch to me is less favorable (unless we paid a top coach to come) versus trying to find the next flash in a pan MAC coach who we hope will recruit better. A 6 or 7 win season and a bowl game with the new coordinators should be looked at as a positive come seasons end and not a negative that it means Hazell gets extended.
I think Hazell is learning from his mistakes and I hope we win enough games that we don't have to start over again. I still think we win 7 games this season.
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