Missouri

[Chi-Boiler]

Missouri got hit with academic fraud penalties today. Football, softball and another sport. One tutor, 12 athletes. They said the school must vacate wins that those players played in. Didn't see if that included our game with them last year. I know we can't get the deserved WIN now, but at least it might not be a loss.

 

[pboiler18]

Missouri got hit with academic fraud penalties today. Football, softball and another sport. One tutor, 12 athletes. They said the school must vacate wins that those players played in. Didn't see if that included our game with them last year. I know we can't get the deserved WIN now, but at least it might not be a loss.

Still a loss, just not a win for them.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

Gotcha.

They gave the tutor a 10-year show cause. For 12 players.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

They essentially did exactly what UNC did but they admitted it. So they got nailed.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

They essentially did exactly what UNC did but they admitted it. So they got nailed.

While I agree that NC broke the spirit of the rules they did not do exactly what Missouri did. NC created what most would call sham, very restrictive classes that very few if any general population students could take, even though they were offered through the University and used a Secretary to grade the work. Around a 1,000 athletes took those classes. The University stood behind those classes and the NCAA would not fight them over curriculum even though the NCAA started curriculum and graduation requirements, Prop 48, declaring a major, certain number of credits each year, etc. Those classes at NC are now open to the general student population or not offered!

Missouri had a rouge tutor, according to Missouri, actually doing the course work and taking tests for 12 athletes!

 

[1ndyBoiler]

Does this almost encourage schools to hide what they've done and not cooperate with the NCAA? UNC fought their case the entire way and walked free. Missouri might not have gotten punished if the swept it under the rug.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

While I agree that NC broke the spirit of the rules they did not do exactly what Missouri did. NC created what most would call sham, very restrictive classes that very few if any general population students could take, even though they were offered through the University and used a Secretary to grade the work. Around a 1,000 athletes took those classes. The University stood behind those classes and the NCAA would not fight them over curriculum even though the NCAA started curriculum and graduation requirements, Prop 48, declaring a major, certain number of credits each year, etc. Those classes at NC are now open to the general student population or not offered!

Missouri had a rouge tutor, according to Missouri, actually doing the course work and taking tests for 12 athletes!

I felt unc's was so horrible because it involved the academic rigor and integrity of the university. 1 rogue tutor is nowhere close to what unc did.

 

[Wolegib]

part of the fallout was there was a football player who transferred to Missouri and now will not have an opportunity to play in a bowl game. He's probably having second thoughts about his decision.

 

[nat100]

part of the fallout was there was a football player who transferred to Missouri and now will not have an opportunity to play in a bowl game. He's probably having second thoughts about his decision.

Bryant said he has no intention to transfer out.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

I felt unc's was so horrible because it involved the academic rigor and integrity of the university. 1 rogue tutor is nowhere close to what unc did.

I agree totally BUT the NCAA did not follow through and stated they have no business in course matters which I feel is bull! There was an article in Sports Illustrated years back that looked into Duke's special academic program for their Basketball Team while it was traveling and playing abroad for a month or so . Their players were earning up 12-18 hours of credit through the courses taught by the team tutors that accompanying them. This was before the invention of the split double summer school sessions! While I don't remember exactly all the details it failed most readers smell test but the NCAA did nothing!

 

[Wolegib]

I was once a tutor and test proctor for students with learning disabilities at Auburn. While I never cheated or did anybody's work for them, the stories I would hear about certain football players. and it was never reported and the accepted norm.

as a professor at a junior college, I had several players expecting a certain grade just because they were an athlete. They didn't demand an A, but they expected a C without doing anything.

I'm not saying all athletes were this way. Some athletes really cared and put forth an effort. But the reality was it happened at several schools, and some athletes were expecting a hand-out.

This was 20 and 5 years ago. times haven't changed.

 

[goboilers2]

UNC was worse, because fraud was intended at the top of the department. Not only do I question to NCAA, but the ACC as well. I can't image the Big Ten not getting involved with academic standards if something like this happened at O$U with football.

 

[PaBoiler78]

I was once a tutor and test proctor for students with learning disabilities at Auburn. While I never cheated or did anybody's work for them, the stories I would hear about certain football players. and it was never reported and the accepted norm.

as a professor at a junior college, I had several players expecting a certain grade just because they were an athlete. They didn't demand an A, but they expected a C without doing anything.

I'm not saying all athletes were this way. Some athletes really cared and put forth an effort. But the reality was it happened at several schools, and some athletes were expecting a hand-out.

This was 20 and 5 years ago. times haven't changed.

Brent Fullwood.

 

[BoilerTom90]

This thread reminds me of one element of the netflix series "last chance u" and the academic rigor at Junior Colleges. It's hard to actually say that last part with a straight face.

 

[Wolegib]

Brent Fullwood.

Wow !!!!! remember - you said his name - not me. how did you know? my sources are just other respected Auburn professors.

he did , however have a hard time reading and understanding the Packers' playbook without all his tutors. And as a lifetime packers fan, and then becoming a tutor at Auburn, it all made sense.

 

[Wolegib]

on the other hand, Bo Jackson was the total opposite. I had the opportunity to meet his mom. She was a teacher in Alabama. And she ensured that BO knows everything.