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Mid-year firing?

Please explain what part of the rebuild is going to start if Hazell is fired tomorrow. I've yet to see a convincing reason to fire him until you are ready to hire a replacement. As you state, the lame duck assistants won't be recruiting. They'll be interviewing.
He has 2 more years on his contract, so he's not a total lame duck, at least not publicly. If he is able to squeeze out a couple more wins and hold onto most of his 3 star recruits for 2017 that's at least getting something out of the money you are paying him regardless. His job now is to stay positive, try to win the winnable games, and tell the 3 star recruits whatever is required to keep them on board until the season's end. He needs to do that even if he sees the writing on the wall and can hear Bobinski in the other room talking to agents. His motivation is at age 52 he is probably going to want another job in football.
LOLing at thought of Bobinski loudly talking to agents on speaker, with The Haze next door.
 
LOLing at thought of Bobinski loudly talking to agents on speaker, with The Haze next door.
I know. I'm picturing the ensuing exchange where DH2 comes into the room butt hurt and MBob asks him WTF he's going to do about it. Quit?
 
It just sucks that our best recruiting class will be the one that the coach is fired. All will leave at some point

Here's the key question: is our search for a new coach hampered IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER by having Haze still in place as head coach?

Can you conduct a more thorough, more aggressive search if you tell Haze to get lost?

And I don't really know the answer to that.

Here's the thing....most guys are in the middle of their seasons and won't take calls personally. Their agents might....but any conversation at this point is highly speculative. Unless the guy is without a job, he's not going to leave the team he is currently with and come here mid year to start recruiting unless he's a low level assistant. I can't re-call a situation where that has ever happened.

I think we will let Hazell go before November hits the calendar....but the end of October is THE ABSOLUTE EARLIEST we would see him jettisoned.

Firing a guy after 2, 3 or even 4 games in a year sends a bad message. That, if you have bad start....our admin doesn't have the patience to let you turn it around. Now, we all know Hazell likely isn't the guy to do that....but to step outside the coach firing etiquette norms really only helps the butthurt sunday morning QBs on here to feel better. It makes our next potential HC feel that at the first sign of trouble fans and admin will bail. That's not really going to help attract a rebuilder to this massive job they would have in front of them.

This year is pretty much a lost year and was always going to be that with the AD transition. People complained about Hazell getting a 4th year and i'd generally agree....but we absolutely did not need or want Burke hiring another football coach. I am cool with this being a "lost year" if Bobinski can clean house, make a good hire and send us in a better direction.
 
I don't think firing a guy after 2,3 or 4 games, which follows 3 years of the worst in Purdue History , sends a bad message. I think allowing him to keep coaching sends a worst message. Everyone knows what is going to happen, so do it and lets limp thru the season, and get a new coach . Can it actually get much worse if Hazell is let go now?
 
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If you fire Hazell, you give the interim to Parker or Freeman just for the sake of maintain recruitment channels. If you retain him, then you force him to give all the offensive play calling duties to Malone or Parker because the defensive roster in its current state requires the offense to put up 40+ a game
 
Here's the thing....most guys are in the middle of their seasons and won't take calls personally. Their agents might....but any conversation at this point is highly speculative. Unless the guy is without a job, he's not going to leave the team he is currently with and come here mid year to start recruiting unless he's a low level assistant. I can't re-call a situation where that has ever happened.

I think we will let Hazell go before November hits the calendar....but the end of October is THE ABSOLUTE EARLIEST we would see him jettisoned.

Firing a guy after 2, 3 or even 4 games in a year sends a bad message. That, if you have bad start....our admin doesn't have the patience to let you turn it around. Now, we all know Hazell likely isn't the guy to do that....but to step outside the coach firing etiquette norms really only helps the butthurt sunday morning QBs on here to feel better. It makes our next potential HC feel that at the first sign of trouble fans and admin will bail. That's not really going to help attract a rebuilder to this massive job they would have in front of them.

This year is pretty much a lost year and was always going to be that with the AD transition. People complained about Hazell getting a 4th year and i'd generally agree....but we absolutely did not need or want Burke hiring another football coach. I am cool with this being a "lost year" if Bobinski can clean house, make a good hire and send us in a better direction.

A head coach doesn't take a personal call from an AD. It's not like MBob yells out to his secretary and says "Hey Barb, get me Saban's office number. I need to call him".
The AD, even if it's the AD, is always going to talk to a coaches agent first and then the agent has a discussion with the coach.
 
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I don't think firing a guy after 2,3 or 4 games, which follows 3 years of the worst in Purdue History , sends a bad message. I think allowing him to keep coaching sends a worst message. Everyone knows what is going to happen, so do it and lets limp thru the season, and get a new coach . Can it actually get much worse if Hazell is let go now?
I agree.How can it get any worse?
 
After he is fired every Purdue broadcast game will be about the opening. Every time our game scores are listed on the sports pages there will be a mention of the change to come. It seems to me that there is a lot of free publicity about the opportunities for coaches and players that will be available at Purdue. Don't see a down side to letting him go asap.
 
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I still cannot believe that Hazell received such a huge contract with unrealistic buyouts, given his thin resume at the time. That's insane.
 
I still cannot believe that Hazell received such a huge contract with unrealistic buyouts, given his thin resume at the time. That's insane.

It's the price of poker n college football. Our next hire will likely get similar terms
 
It's the price of poker n college football. Our next hire will likely get similar terms

I agree, but I think the next coach gets an even sweeter deal financially. If MBob is serious about competing and turning around the FB program, I think he's going to have to make a 'name' hire, someone who will get the fans attention, someone who can put asses in the seats, someone who recruits have heard of. In order to do that, it's going to cost big bucks.
Not sure hiring the next up-n-comer from the MAC or some other small Midwestern program is the answer.
 
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I agree, but I think the next coach gets an even sweeter deal financially. If MBob is serious about competing and turning around the FB program, I think he's going to have to make a 'name' hire, someone who will get the fans attention, someone who can put asses in the seats, someone who recruits have heard of. In order to do that, it's going to cost big bucks.
Not sure hiring the next up-n-comer from the MAC or some other small Midwestern program is the answer.
I think we can hire a good mid-major coach or a hot o/c for 1.5 mil. a year with incentives.A coach that puts a offense on the field that excites the crowd and gives a chance to win a game even if you give up 30 or more.That way there would be some money in the bank to pay the excuse that Burk hired after we fire him.
 
I think we can hire a good mid-major coach or a hot o/c for 1.5 mil. a year with incentives.A coach that puts a offense on the field that excites the crowd and gives a chance to win a game even if you give up 30 or more.That way there would be some money in the bank to pay the excuse that Burk hired after we fire him.

2.5 a year is more like it.
 
Here's the thing....most guys are in the middle of their seasons and won't take calls personally. Their agents might....but any conversation at this point is highly speculative. Unless the guy is without a job, he's not going to leave the team he is currently with and come here mid year to start recruiting unless he's a low level assistant. I can't re-call a situation where that has ever happened.

I think we will let Hazell go before November hits the calendar....but the end of October is THE ABSOLUTE EARLIEST we would see him jettisoned.

Firing a guy after 2, 3 or even 4 games in a year sends a bad message. That, if you have bad start....our admin doesn't have the patience to let you turn it around. Now, we all know Hazell likely isn't the guy to do that....but to step outside the coach firing etiquette norms really only helps the butthurt sunday morning QBs on here to feel better. It makes our next potential HC feel that at the first sign of trouble fans and admin will bail. That's not really going to help attract a rebuilder to this massive job they would have in front of them.

This year is pretty much a lost year and was always going to be that with the AD transition. People complained about Hazell getting a 4th year and i'd generally agree....but we absolutely did not need or want Burke hiring another football coach. I am cool with this being a "lost year" if Bobinski can clean house, make a good hire and send us in a better direction.

DUDE....NO ONE IS LEAVING THEIR CURRENT POSITION TO COME HERE MID-YEAR! We all agree on that! That's not the point!
And again, you can bet your ass that anytime an agent gets a call from an AD or search committee, that he's going to immediately put a call into his client and have a discussion. The coach may say "thanks, but not interested", but I assure you that conversation will take place.
 
DUDE....NO ONE IS LEAVING THEIR CURRENT POSITION TO COME HERE MID-YEAR! We all agree on that! That's not the point!
And again, you can bet your ass that anytime an agent gets a call from an AD or search committee, that he's going to immediately put a call into his client and have a discussion. The coach may say "thanks, but not interested", but I assure you that conversation will take place.

I dont think that. You don't think that. Others think that.

People think that we are going to hire Briles now and he'll start coaching immediately.
 
I just don't see the point of delaying the inevitable. What would be accomplished if Hazell pulls a miracle and goes 5-7? Do you keep him around for another year or two?
From a recruiting standpoint, it doesn't matter because he's not going to be the HC anyway. So is he even going to put any effort into recruiting? Most of the asst coaches will be gone as well, so how much effort are they putting in?
Either way, it's a complete rebuild. Might as well start sooner rather than later.

totally agree. Can him now, promote one of his assistants.
 
Firing a guy after 2, 3 or even 4 games in a year sends a bad message. That, if you have bad start....our admin doesn't have the patience to let you turn it around. Now, we all know Hazell likely isn't the guy to do that....but to step outside the coach firing etiquette norms really only helps the butthurt sunday morning QBs on here to feel better. It makes our next potential HC feel that at the first sign of trouble fans and admin will bail. That's not really going to help attract a rebuilder to this massive job they would have in front of them.

This year is pretty much a lost year and was always going to be that with the AD transition. People complained about Hazell getting a 4th year and i'd generally agree....but we absolutely did not need or want Burke hiring another football coach. I am cool with this being a "lost year" if Bobinski can clean house, make a good hire and send us in a better direction.

um this is year 4!!! this is not a bad start. We have been more than patient with CDH. How many coaches produce record season losses and last to their 4th season. CDH needs to go today!
 
This is not about how you start ....it's about how you have finished ...every year DH has coached, the final record for three years has not showed any improvement over expectations for all concerned. Measuring the progress of a program usually falls on the shoulder of the QB. In our case we had two transfer in three years who were Elite 11 qb prospects to 3 star player. It didn't matter, we could not even begin to make them productive in a football system and coaching staff that is lost!!! I think that is being quite nice saying it that way. Developing players is the responsibility for any coach at this level, we simply haven't done it. Coaching staff changes, the wrong players or not enough talent, you would have thought some of these guys would have developed into Division 1 players. Just look at the all big ten teams nearly a mention of any of our players. Embarrassing to say the least.

This is not about a first sign of trouble firing situation, coaches getting paid 3-4 million dollars know the importance of winning before they get into the interview. They love the stage and thrive on the challenge. DH has had plenty of time to develop players or show any progress in moving our program forward ...it is not going anywhere with this staff. I believe it will be quite clear at the end of the year why this staff will be moving on. Don't know much about Bobinski but like his GT hires lets see how he does here. It can be a great job again but not with DH in charge
 
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