Marky Mark buys truck for OSU player

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Jack Sawyer receives amazing set of wheels from Mark Wahlberg Chevrolet

This name, image and likeness business is really taking off at Ohio State. All the other stuff we've seen to date is child's play compared to what freshman defensive end Jack Sawyer just received from Mark Wahlberg Chevrolet in Columbus -- at least on the surface. Yeah,…

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[Purdue85]

Jack Sawyer receives amazing set of wheels from Mark Wahlberg Chevrolet

This name, image and likeness business is really taking off at Ohio State. All the other stuff we've seen to date is child's play compared to what freshman defensive end Jack Sawyer just received from Mark Wahlberg Chevrolet in Columbus -- at least on the surface. Yeah,…

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LOL!



ELLLL - to the OHHHHHHHHHHHH - to the freakin' ELLLLLLLLLLL!

L-O-L!

This is what people wanted. 🤣

From the "get yours, brother!" crowd.

We're now passing out cars to student athletes.

Nothing to see here, folks. Move right along... this is ... "normal".

And, there was ABSOLUTELY no reason it shouldn't have been ... "legal" ... previously. Right?!

Never mind, there was no "Name Image Likeness" involved... other than when good ol' Jack Sawyer tweeted the "Thanks!" after being handed the keys to the sweet ride.

un-flippin'-believable

EDIT:

At least good ol' Jack Sawyer has his finger sticking out, like someone should pull it... That's just about what this "deal" smells like...

 

[purduepat1969]

Jack Sawyer receives amazing set of wheels from Mark Wahlberg Chevrolet

This name, image and likeness business is really taking off at Ohio State. All the other stuff we've seen to date is child's play compared to what freshman defensive end Jack Sawyer just received from Mark Wahlberg Chevrolet in Columbus -- at least on the surface. Yeah,…

buckeyeswire.usatoday.com

Yep. Nothing to see here. I'm sure this will all be administered fairly and properly across all athletes and sports...

 

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LOL!



ELLLL - to the OHHHHHHHHHHHH - to the freakin' ELLLLLLLLLLL!

L-O-L!

This is what people wanted. 🤣

From the "get yours, brother!" crowd.

We're now passing out cars to student athletes.

Nothing to see here, folks. Move right along... this is ... "normal".

And, there was ABSOLUTELY no reason it shouldn't have been ... "legal" ... previously. Right?!

Never mind, there was no "Name Image Likeness" involved... other than when good ol' Jack Sawyer tweeted the "Thanks!" after being handed the keys to the sweet ride.

un-flippin'-believable

EDIT:

At least good ol' Jack Sawyer has his finger sticking out, like someone should pull it... That's just about what this "deal" smells like...

These boosters need to be careful though.

Think about Indy: If Andy Mohr gives a truck to an IU player, will that cause Purdue fans to take their business elsewhere? This one definitely would.

 

[PaBoiler78]

These boosters need to be careful though.

Think about Indy: If Andy Mohr gives a truck to an IU player, will that cause Purdue fans to take their business elsewhere? This one definitely would.

off subject here, but former OSU 4 Star OL Ryan Jacoby has entered the portal.

 

[SKYDOG]

off subject here, but former OSU 4 Star OL Ryan Jacoby has entered the portal.

I wonder who will be the highest bidder?

 

[indyogb]

I wonder who will be the highest bidder?

I'm in for $5. 😃

 

[Wolegib]

if you think it's bad at O$U, they pale in comparison to what the boosters at Texas, Auburn, Mi$$i$$ippi, Georgia, and Alabama will be giving out to their players. And you can bet the players will go to the internet to recruit and say , see what I just got?

 

[FirstDownB]

I suppose the counterpoint is that this has been going on for years and NCAA looks the other way. Now at least if a wealthy Toledo or Akron supporter were to do the same they wouldn't incur the death penalty.

 

[KentuckyBoiler]

Did the Funky Bunch contribute too?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Did the Funky Bunch contribute too?

And Donnie threw in some floor mats.

 

[BoilerBiker]

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Did the Funky Bunch contribute too?

Actually, part of the deal is that The Funky Bunch can now be called THE Funky Bunch.

 

[Purdue85]

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"...to sign autographs..."

this is perfectly fine, folks.

 

[FirstDownB]

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"...to sign autographs..."

this is perfectly fine, folks.

Here is the only question that matters in the NIL debate:
How much of that $1.4M is going into Quinn Ewers' pocket because he is Quinn Ewers and how much of it is because he signed with Ohio State?

 

[Purdue85]

Here is the only question that matters in the NIL debate:
How much of that $1.4M is going into Quinn Ewers' pocket because he is Quinn Ewers and how much of it is because he signed with Ohio State?

Understand your point, but not sure how/why it matters. This is NIL. This is the new world of being a ... "student" athlete.

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

Don't wish anyone ill will, but this Quinn Ewers situation (skipping sr year hs and NIL deal(s)) has crash and burn written all over it.

 

[FirstDownB]

Understand your point, but not sure how/why it matters. This is NIL. This is the new world of being a ... "student" athlete.

It matters because if a recruit gets a $1.4M offer for signing with OSU and a $0.01M offer for signing with Purdue...
(1) how does that promote a competitive balance?
(2) what does it say about the actual value of the student vs. value of the program?

But I sense you are being ironic.

 

[Purdue85]

It matters because if a recruit gets a $1.4M offer for signing with OSU and a $0.01M offer for signing with Purdue...
(1) how does that promote a competitive balance?
(2) what does it say about the actual value of the student vs. value of the program?

But I sense you are being ironic.

for clarity I'm not being argumentative. My earlier post certainly contained irony ("
this is perfectly fine, folks").

Why I wrote, "not sure how/why it matters", is because it really is irrelevant, IMHO.

Re your #s 1 and 2....

1. Promoting a competitive balance is not an issue nor a concern in the NIL discussion. Should it be? Maybe. In reality, NIL has been all about "student" athletes "getting theirs".
2. Unless I'm really off-base (certainly possible), NIL has absolutely nothing to do with "the actual value of the student vs. value of the program".

I've been pretty "vocal" about NIL, and the inherent problems.

Well, here we are. We have at least one OSU player who was openly gifted an automobile, and another OSU player contracted for $1.4M of autographs. this is now considered "perfectly fine" in the world of college athletics. It was never going to take any other route...

 

[FirstDownB]

for clarity I'm not being argumentative. My earlier post certainly contained irony ("
this is perfectly fine, folks").

Why I wrote, "not sure how/why it matters", is because it really is irrelevant, IMHO.

Re your #s 1 and 2....

1. Promoting a competitive balance is not an issue nor a concern in the NIL discussion. Should it be? Maybe. In reality, NIL has been all about "student" athletes "getting theirs".
2. Unless I'm really off-base (certainly possible), NIL has absolutely nothing to do with "the actual value of the student vs. value of the program".

I've been pretty "vocal" about NIL, and the inherent problems.

Well, here we are. We have at least one OSU player who was openly gifted an automobile, and another OSU player contracted for $1.4M of autographs. this is now considered "perfectly fine" in the world of college athletics. It was never going to take any other route...

• Unless I'm really off-base (certainly possible), NIL has absolutely nothing to do with "the actual value of the student vs. value of the program".

The entire argument in support of NIL surrounds the value of the student athlete and their ability to cash in on it. The question is, then, is the value imparted to the student athlete from their own name, image, and likeness or by their association with an established brand, wherein the value actually lies.

I've made the point that the name on the front of the jersey provides 99.9% of the value in college athletes.

 

[Purdue85]

• Unless I'm really off-base (certainly possible), NIL has absolutely nothing to do with "the actual value of the student vs. value of the program".

The entire argument in support of NIL surrounds the value of the student athlete and their ability to cash in on it. The question is, then, is the value imparted to the student athlete from their own name, image, and likeness or by their association with an established brand, wherein the value actually lies.

I've made the point that the name on the front of the jersey provides 99.9% of the value in college athletes.

"Value" is a subjective term. Some might argue, a "student" athlete playing QB at OSU is, by definition, a higher-value than a QB at, say, Ohio U (OU).

Additionally, a QB playing at OSU has greater market appeal (i.e., "value") than a QB at OU.

Again, we were always headed down this NIL road.

Attempting to separate the NIL value of the player vs the school is, ultimately, irrelevant. I just don't think it's ever going to matter.

the players are going to ... "get theirs", regardless.

 

[izakman]

Understand your point, but not sure how/why it matters. This is NIL. This is the new world of being a ... "student" athlete.

Maybe it's time to start calling them "Athletic College Enrollees". Or something like that?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Maybe it's time to start calling them "Athletic College Enrollees". Or something like that?

Shiller-athletes

 

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This kid is a backup QB? Behind a redshirt freshman? Who wants his autograph?

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Actually, part of the deal is that The Funky Bunch can now be called THEEE Funky Bunch.

Fify, Prof.

 

[nick614]

Understand your point, but not sure how/why it matters. This is NIL. This is the new world of being a ... "student" athlete.

There are lots of college students making millions off instagram/youtube etc so it's only fair college athletes can cash in on their name too.

 

[Purdue85]

There are lots of college students making millions off instagram/youtube etc so it's only fair college athletes can cash in on their name too.

"...it's only fair..."

Lots of phrases come to mind with this clown show. "Fairness" isn't a word that would describe gifting college athletes automobiles, or shoving cash in their pockets for "autographs".

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

There are lots of college students making millions off instagram/youtube etc so it's only fair college athletes can cash in on their name too.

Perhaps......but if you don't have any rules, or draw some lines, then we're not really talking about "amateur intercollegiate athletics" any more. It's independent contractors/employees/professionals (in terms of being paid), and anything goes.

Maybe those who want the cash should be separated out from the men and women who are truly bona fide student-athletes? Just a thought.....no easy answers......but as '85 points out.....it's all down-hill from here (or at least soon to be).

JMHO

 

[FirstDownB]

Perhaps......but if you don't have any rules, or draw some lines, then we're not really talking about "amateur intercollegiate athletics" any more. It's independent contractors/employees/professionals (in terms of being paid), and anything goes.

Maybe those who want the cash should be separated out from the men and women who are truly bona fide student-athletes? Just a thought.....no easy answers......but as '85 points out.....it's all down-hill from here (or at least soon to be).

JMHO

That is my problem with all of this. There has not been enough thought put into a framework and what corresponding measures need to be taken to keep something like NIL from fundamentally changing (ruining) college athletics. I have no problem with student athletes getting some money. It is what else is leaking through that newly punched hole in Pandora's box that concerns me.

For example, most professional leagues have some form of built-in equity measures to promote competition. Competition is good. It's a big part of what drives interest in sports. The NFL is NOT a free market. There is this thing called a salary cap that ensures the Colts can compete with the Cowboys. There is a draft, which sends the best young players to the WORST teams, not the BEST ones. There are contracts, which BIND good players to franchises with mediocre support or crappy weather. NONE of these things exist in college sports. And NIL is giving those at the top an extra cherry on their sundae.

 

[Purdue85]

That is my problem with all of this. There has not been enough thought put into a framework and what corresponding measures need to be taken to keep something like NIL from fundamentally changing (ruining) college athletics. I have no problem with student athletes getting some money. It is what else is leaking through that newly punched hole in Pandora's box that concerns me.

For example, most professional leagues have some form of built-in equity measures to promote competition. Competition is good. It's a big part of what drives interest in sports. The NFL is NOT a free market. There is this thing called a salary cap that ensures the Colts can compete with the Cowboys. There is a draft, which sends the best young players to the WORST teams, not the BEST ones. There are contracts, which BIND good players to franchises with mediocre support or crappy weather. NONE of these things exist in college sports. And NIL is giving those at the top an extra cherry on their sundae.

I don't have a fundamental disagreement with anything you wrote. A few thoughts do come to mind...

1. not sure where this came up, but why do you believe NIL should be "fair" (my word, not yours)?
2. I'm really not trying to put you on the spot when I ask, in what ways do you think this could be parsed out in some equitable fashion?

I've never looked at NIL and assumed there would be any fairness or equity. By definition it is money that will go to different people based on their "market appeal". (*cough, cough*) It's also an "idea" just begging for fraud, cheating and scandal.

 

[FirstDownB]

I don't have a fundamental disagreement with anything you wrote. A few thoughts do come to mind...

1. not sure where this came up, but why do you believe NIL should be "fair" (my word, not yours)?
2. I'm really not trying to put you on the spot when I ask, in what ways do you think this could be parsed out in some equitable fashion?

I've never looked at NIL and assumed there would be any fairness or equity. By definition it is money that will go to different people based on their "market appeal". (*cough, cough*) It's also an "idea" just begging for fraud, cheating and scandal.

Good questions. And I don't have all the answers.

My contention is that the effect on competition should always be considered. Otherwise, why limit scholarships? Why limit recruiting visits? Why limit coaching staffs, practices, or contact periods? I'm simply trying to be consistent with the spirit of all of these existing rules and why they exist. NIL and transfer rules are effectively no different than giving Ohio State or Alabama extra scholarships each year and waiving impermissible benefits.

Again, I don't care if some 18 year old gets $1M in his pocket as long as it doesn't come at the expense of competition. Give all of them $1M for all I care. The problem is, schools like Purdue cannot offer that, and cannot promise that in their recruiting pitch. The next Brady Allen might as well go to Ohio State and get a sweetheart promo deal and a brand new truck just for holding a clip board.

 

[Purdue85]

Good questions. And I don't have all the answers.

My contention is that the effect on competition should always be considered. Otherwise, why limit scholarships? Why limit recruiting visits? Why limit coaching staffs, practices, or contact periods? I'm simply trying to be consistent with the spirit of all of these existing rules and why they exist. NIL and transfer rules are effectively no different than giving Ohio State or Alabama extra scholarships each year and waiving impermissible benefits.

Again, I don't care if some 18 year old gets $1M in his pocket as long as it doesn't come at the expense of competition. Give all of them $1M for all I care. The problem is, schools like Purdue cannot offer that, and cannot promise that in their recruiting pitch. The next Brady Allen might as well go to Ohio State and get a sweetheart promo deal and a brand new truck just for holding a clip board.

You (indirectly) raise an interesting point.

What if OSU (or other programs) don't offer a kid a scholarship, but "arrange" to have the athlete receive substantial NIL $$. Same net effect, as if they were able to increase the number of scholarships.

It's an interesting thought.

With that said, I don't think those in charge have any interest (or intent) in factoring NIL into the "competition" equation. Nor do I think they know how. I also question if it is even possible.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

That is my problem with all of this. There has not been enough thought put into a framework and what corresponding measures need to be taken to keep something like NIL from fundamentally changing (ruining) college athletics. I have no problem with student athletes getting some money. It is what else is leaking through that newly punched hole in Pandora's box that concerns me.

For example, most professional leagues have some form of built-in equity measures to promote competition. Competition is good. It's a big part of what drives interest in sports. The NFL is NOT a free market. There is this thing called a salary cap that ensures the Colts can compete with the Cowboys. There is a draft, which sends the best young players to the WORST teams, not the BEST ones. There are contracts, which BIND good players to franchises with mediocre support or crappy weather. NONE of these things exist in college sports. And NIL is giving those at the top an extra cherry on their sundae.

And - I’ll add that the big market NFL owners agreed to sharing TV revenue equally, to promote competition, which has been instrumental in growing the popularity of the league over the last 50 years.

You (indirectly) raise an interesting point.

What if OSU (or other programs) don't offer a kid a scholarship, but "arrange" to have the athlete receive substantial NIL $$. Same net effect, as if they were able to increase the number of scholarships.

It's an interesting thought.

With that said, I don't think those in charge have any interest (or intent) in factoring NIL into the "competition" equation. Nor do I think they know how. I also question if it is even possible.

Bingo. I have posted about this in the past.

Since Urban got there, they have passed on a lot of really good Ohio prospects in favor of elite national recruits. (Think Markus Bailey, Mershawn Rice, etc.)

OSU is pretty cheap for instate students. Wouldn’t take much of an NIL deal to cover a kid from Hilliard or Centerville for 4 years, and now he’s not at Purdue playing against you with a chip on his shoulder.

Maybe NIL deals should be limited to scholarship athletes?

 

[FirstDownB]

You (indirectly) raise an interesting point.

What if OSU (or other programs) don't offer a kid a scholarship, but "arrange" to have the athlete receive substantial NIL $$. Same net effect, as if they were able to increase the number of scholarships.

It's an interesting thought.

With that said, I don't think those in charge have any interest (or intent) in factoring NIL into the "competition" equation. Nor do I think they know how. I also question if it is even possible.

Is there even a question that is happening? Walk-ons are getting deals as we speak. If you don't think there is any 'wink wink' going on...

It is inherently difficult to balance individual and competitive balance. Perhaps impossible. Which is why rolling out NIL hastily was a bad idea.. as generally anything done as a knee-jerk reaction to media outcry is.

So what could be done differently? Just one idea off the top of my head...
Place team caps on NIL earnings with dollar-for-dollar penalties for each school in exceedence to be distributed among all other conference scholarship players. Essentially a luxury tax on those programs that disproportionately benefit from NIL.

 

[FirstDownB]

And - I’ll add that the big market NFL owners agreed to sharing TV revenue equally, to promote competition, which has been instrumental in growing the popularity of the league over the last 50 years.

There's the point. The NCAA opened the flood gates of paying amateur athletes without applying (or even contemplating) the lessons learned from those who have been dealing with the competitve aspects of paying athletes for decades.

 

[Purdue85]

Is there even a question that is happening? Walk-ons are getting deals as we speak. If you don't think there is any 'wink wink' going on...

It is inherently difficult to balance individual and competitive balance. Perhaps impossible. Which is why rolling out NIL hastily was a bad idea.. as generally anything done as a knee-jerk reaction to media outcry is.

So what could be done differently? Just one idea off the top of my head...
Place team caps on NIL earnings with dollar-for-dollar penalties for each school in exceedence to be distributed among all other conference scholarship players. Essentially a luxury tax on those programs that disproportionately benefit from NIL.

That defeats the entire purpose of NIL.

NIL is supposed to be a mechanism by which an individual "student" athlete is compensated for his/her name/image/likeness.

Unfortunately, I don't see this genie being put back in the bottle, nor any environment in which it is administered "fairly".

 

[Purdue85]

There's the point. The NCAA opened the flood gates of paying amateur athletes without applying (or even contemplating) the lessons learned from those who have been dealing with the competitve aspects of paying athletes for decades.

Biggest problem is, the cash isn't coming from the institutions.

 

[FirstDownB]

That defeats the entire purpose of NIL.

NIL is supposed to be a mechanism by which an individual "student" athlete is compensated for his/her name/image/likeness.

Unfortunately, I don't see this genie being put back in the bottle, nor any environment in which it is administered "fairly".

Something like that off-the-cuff example wouldn't defeat the entire purpose of NIL. The purpose of NIL was to give the student athletes an opportunity to cash in on their commercial appeal, which only the eeevvviiiillllll NCAA, school athletic departments, and coaches were able to do historically. Capping the amount of money a collection of individuals on one team can make is a far cry from not allowing any student athlete to make money. It's just a salary cap. Anyway, it will never happen, but the point is I haven't seen or heard anything like this even remotely discussed. Anything that suggests those driving the bus in charge of college athletics are concerned with anyone other than the elite CFP teams and the players that play for them. You don't have to put the genie back in the bottle, but the genie could use some guard rails.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Something like that off-the-cuff example wouldn't defeat the entire purpose of NIL. The purpose of NIL was to give the student athletes an opportunity to cash in on their commercial appeal, which only the eeevvviiiillllll NCAA, school athletic departments, and coaches were able to do historically. Capping the amount of money a collection of individuals on one team can make is a far cry from not allowing any student athlete to make money. It's just a salary cap. Anyway, it will never happen, but the point is I haven't seen or heard anything like this even remotely discussed. Anything that suggests those driving the bus in charge of college athletics are concerned with anyone other than the elite CFP teams and the players that play for them. You don't have to put the genie back in the bottle, but the genie could use some guard rails.

The only way the Purdue’s and IUs of the world can compete with the Ohio States will be the promise of playing/starting as a freshman, like we did with Rondale, George, etc.

No matter how much money is thrown around, these kids want to play. Now.

 

[FirstDownB]

The only way the Purdue’s and IUs of the world can compete with the Ohio States will be the promise of playing/starting as a freshman, like we did with Rondale, George, etc.

No matter how much money is thrown around, these kids want to play. Now.

You are a bit less cynical than I am. I'm seeing this being taken to the nth degree with unproven backup players at Ohio St getting million dollar endorsement deals, and recruits seeing that and making college decisions accordingly. 10 years from now, the 'endorsement payroll' of OSU could be $100M while Purdue players are struggling to fetch a total of $100k. Do the future Rondale and George really pass that up for early playing time? Honestly, I wouldn't.