Line up in Nov vs Line up in Jan

[bonefish1]

To start Nov:
PJ
CE
DM
VE
IH

But....what will the lineup look like (if not actually, 'potentially') come Jan.
CE
Eastern
DM
VE
IH/Haarms

The reason I think Nojel could push PJ out of his starting spot is that PJ's main assets are feeding the post and hitting open 3's. He's steady but struggles against pressure D and bigger guards.
With CE, DM, and VE all on the floor, you've got 3 good 3pt shooters, and while you might give up some 3 pt shooting with Eastern, you do get a big guard who can run the break, finish inside, break down the D off the dribble and create open looks for others. We him and CE handling the ball, you've got 2 guys who can give the defense a lot of problems.

As with Haarms, we've seen Painter be willing to sit a Sr in favor of younger player (Haas started some games for AJ) if the Sr is struggling. While you give up the low post scorer with Haarms, you gain a big who can hurt the other teams 5 from midrange and off the dribble.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

To start Nov:
PJ
CE
DM
VE
IH

But....what will the lineup look like (if not actually, 'potentially') come Jan.
CE
Eastern
DM
VE
IH/Haarms

The reason I think Nojel could push PJ out of his starting spot is that PJ's main assets are feeding the post and hitting open 3's. He's steady but struggles against pressure D and bigger guards.
With CE, DM, and VE all on the floor, you've got 3 good 3pt shooters, and while you might give up some 3 pt shooting with Eastern, you do get a big guard who can run the break, finish inside, break down the D off the dribble and create open looks for others. We him and CE handling the ball, you've got 2 guys who can give the defense a lot of problems.

As with Haarms, we've seen Painter be willing to sit a Sr in favor of younger player (Haas started some games for AJ) if the Sr is struggling. While you give up the low post scorer with Haarms, you gain a big who can hurt the other teams 5 from midrange and off the dribble.

There is little to no way PJ and Haas don't start at any point this season unless they are injured. What you are giving away with sitting PJ is that you won't have the senior leadership and control that is needed to start games. Haas also will start simply because he has the tools needed with the other four starters to be highly successful.

CMP has stated multiple times that it isn't about who starts but who finishes games...which is why CMP tends to be a bit conservative with his starting lineups. This is why you saw Cline starting the last handful of games last season because he wasn't going to shoot you out of a game like Carsen had a tendency to do last season...especially against good competition. Although Eastern and Haarms aren't going to shoot you out of games, they aren't the best players at their positions right now on the roster....and you start the game with the best 5 you have.

Also, the finishing 5 will more than likely be PJ, Mathias, Carsen, Vince, and Haarms/Taylor because you need the mobility on the defensive end to defend a high ball screen and an individual who can hit the FT's at a high percentage. I know Haas has improved immensely but Haarms and Taylor are more than likely better FT shooters given their ability to shoot the mid-range jumper.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

There is little to no way PJ and Haas don't start at any point this season unless they are injured. What you are giving away with sitting PJ is that you won't have the senior leadership and control that is needed to start games. Haas also will start simply because he has the tools needed with the other four starters to be highly successful.

CMP has stated multiple times that it isn't about who starts but who finishes games...which is why CMP tends to be a bit conservative with his starting lineups. This is why you saw Cline starting the last handful of games last season because he wasn't going to shoot you out of a game like Carsen had a tendency to do last season...especially against good competition. Although Eastern and Haarms aren't going to shoot you out of games, they aren't the best players at their positions right now on the roster....and you start the game with the best 5 you have.

Also, the finishing 5 will more than likely be PJ, Mathias, Carsen, Vince, and Haarms/Taylor because you need the mobility on the defensive end to defend a high ball screen and an individual who can hit the FT's at a high percentage. I know Haas has improved immensely but Haarms and Taylor are more than likely better FT shooters given their ability to shoot the mid-range jumper.

I don’t disagree, but Eastern is going to play a lot of minutes this season, spread across 2 different positions, IMO, and Haarms, if I were to guess, is going to approach 20 minutes/game. I think these guys will both be big time contributors this season.

 

[boilernuke]

There is little to no way PJ and Haas don't start at any point this season unless they are injured. What you are giving away with sitting PJ is that you won't have the senior leadership and control that is needed to start games. Haas also will start simply because he has the tools needed with the other four starters to be highly successful.

CMP has stated multiple times that it isn't about who starts but who finishes games...which is why CMP tends to be a bit conservative with his starting lineups. This is why you saw Cline starting the last handful of games last season because he wasn't going to shoot you out of a game like Carsen had a tendency to do last season...especially against good competition. Although Eastern and Haarms aren't going to shoot you out of games, they aren't the best players at their positions right now on the roster....and you start the game with the best 5 you have.

Also, the finishing 5 will more than likely be PJ, Mathias, Carsen, Vince, and Haarms/Taylor because you need the mobility on the defensive end to defend a high ball screen and an individual who can hit the FT's at a high percentage. I know Haas has improved immensely but Haarms and Taylor are more than likely better FT shooters given their ability to shoot the mid-range jumper.

Which game was it when Purdue inbounded to Haas in the middle to win the game? Csnt recall which one, but it paid to have Haas on the floor at the end of that game.

 

[boilernuke]

Which game was it when Purdue inbounded to Haas in the middle to win the game? Csnt recall which one, but it paid to have Haas on the floor at the end of that game.

Now that I think about it, it may have been AJH. Boy my memory is fading!

 

[TC4THREE]

I'd bet almost anything that PJ will be the starter, barring injury, all season.

 

[TC4THREE]

Now that I think about it, it may have been AJH. Boy my memory is fading!

Are you talking about the Maryland game where he caught the ball, celebrated too early, and traveled?

 

[boilernuke]

Are you talking about the Maryland game where he caught the ball, celebrated too early, and traveled?

No, it wasnt last season, which is why I'm starting to think it may have been AJ.

 

[Do Dah Day]

I like these types of "think about it and overanalyze it" questions, but this one is just a real wildcard .... or not. As has been stated above, starters are not always the best players, but they are the most mature, most able to "start." And they tend to be the best chemistry players. I think, regarding the starters, it will be Senior dominated - so:
PJ
CE
DM
VE
IH

I totally agree with the posters who think Eastern, Haarms, and probably one other will get significant minutes. It really is who finishes the game that is most important, but who gets the team/game kickstarted is also important, and not usually are they the same five.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

No, it wasnt last season, which is why I'm starting to think it may have been AJ.

Possibly Michigan State @ Mackey in 2016 that went into OT?

Inbounded to AJ Hammons above the circle and Ray Davis ended up getting fouled near the screen. He split the FT's, and AJ Hammons corralled the rebound as time ran out....Boilers won 82-81. I think it's also the game where Ray Davis went off in the first half from deep.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Are you talking about the Maryland game where he caught the ball, celebrated too early, and traveled?

It was close, but I still think the official blew that call.....also, Turgeon may have been on the floor...

Dang...these Black and Gold glasses are getting foggy.

 

[Hausta01]

I think PJ starts all season but what will change is first off the bench. Instead of Cline being first off the bench in Nov, it will be Eastern for whichever starter, other than Haas, that comes out for foul trouble, poor shooting, etc.

 

[TC4THREE]

It was close, but I still think the official blew that call.....also, Turgeon may have been on the floor...

Dang...these Black and Gold glasses are getting foggy.

Ha no problem. I still am upset that Michigan wasn't called for offensive goaltending on Glenn Robinson III's buzzer beater against us a few years back. Michigan player's hand clearly went through the net with the ball on the rim.

 

[Dandelion1972]

Painter continues the legacy of Gene. Seniors are the leaders and will start and play significant minutes, unless they fail to provide the leadership needed.

Although Nojel may see increasing PT as the year progresses, IMO, I think there is little chance that he will take PJ's starting position unless PJ fails in the senior leadership role.

 

[areshound]

I pretty much agree with what most are saying, PJ won't leave the starting lineup. He's a rock running the offense and scores when opportunity presents itself, never pushing things. Plus he's put his time in and CMP knows he can trust him which is a major thing.

 

[BoilerAndy]

There is little to no way PJ and Haas don't start at any point this season unless they are injured. What you are giving away with sitting PJ is that you won't have the senior leadership and control that is needed to start games. Haas also will start simply because he has the tools needed with the other four starters to be highly successful.

CMP has stated multiple times that it isn't about who starts but who finishes games...which is why CMP tends to be a bit conservative with his starting lineups. This is why you saw Cline starting the last handful of games last season because he wasn't going to shoot you out of a game like Carsen had a tendency to do last season...especially against good competition. Although Eastern and Haarms aren't going to shoot you out of games, they aren't the best players at their positions right now on the roster....and you start the game with the best 5 you have.

Also, the finishing 5 will more than likely be PJ, Mathias, Carsen, Vince, and Haarms/Taylor because you need the mobility on the defensive end to defend a high ball screen and an individual who can hit the FT's at a high percentage. I know Haas has improved immensely but Haarms and Taylor are more than likely better FT shooters given their ability to shoot the mid-range jumper.

And defense. PJ's defense is underrated. Much will depend on how fast Eastern can adapt to playing defense in the B1G.

 

[takedownboiler]

Eastern will take Clines minutes as the season goes on.

 

[nagemj02]

Possibly Michigan State @ Mackey in 2016 that went into OT?

Inbounded to AJ Hammons above the circle and Ray Davis ended up getting fouled near the screen. He split the FT's, and AJ Hammons corralled the rebound as time ran out....Boilers won 82-81. I think it's also the game where Ray Davis went off in the first half from deep.

Yep, that was the home win over MSU two seasons ago. It ended a long losing streak to them.

 

[Boilerman1973]

PJ will be the starter the whole year.

 

[Purdue85]

PJ will be the starter the whole year.

Has Blough transferred yet?

 

[SIBoiler2]

Eastern will take Clines minutes as the season goes on.

IF Cline let's him!!!