Funny how different y'all viewed that subject at the end of last season. Hipocracy is a big word but you will get with context.
Let's have a moment of silence for the death of comedy in Bloomington...
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If his hiring tendencies from his football hire shows anything...it'll probably be a pretty brash decision. IU could have done much better for their football hire considering where the program was when Wilson got there and the place he took it.
He wasn't fired just because of this year. Just look at the body of work. They expect more and see they didn't get it. The question is CAN they get to their expectations anymore.
JM, I will give you your props where you were right and I was wrong re Cean and firing. However, you must also acknowledge that we were constantly told when Sampson was hired and when Crean was hired that they were sure to be the ones who would restore IU to the glory of the Knight regime. Anyone here can affirm that many, many different Peegsters all told us the same thing, which history demonstrates was totally wrong.
As the French mathemathician Blaise Pascal once stated: "It is far easier to believe that an event that has occurred will occur again than to believe that something that has not occurred will occur." You might want to remember that.
As the French mathemathician Blaise Pascal once stated: "It is far easier to believe that an event that has occurred will occur again than to believe that something that has not occurred will occur." You might want to remember that.
arc: While you are kind to give props to my previous posts, in my opinion, the reason I knew about, and you weren't aware of the Crean firing is solely because I had far more interest and access to the facts of the Crean situation. If you had the same info I did you would have reached the same conclusion.
As for your post above...Absolutely! The Peegs free board assorted-nut-collection flamed away at will back then. Every message board fan base has that element. Imagine that...turns out message board flamers were wrong! They very often are.
Let's move to 2017: Pascal's quote that you cited can be applied in (at least) two ways:
1. As a predictor for the quality of coach IU will hire:
Pascal might say that IU's "event(s) that ha(ve) occurred" relates to the IU fan base's hiring expectations, versus the quality of the actual hire. For instance, if IU hires Alford (a real possibility, though I don't think it's the most likely) then a lot of Pascal's logic could hold. Alford has some Sampson ethics and some Crean coaching results on his resume. Pascal would then say that IUBB expected Donovan quality, but history repeated and we got another mixed bag of uncertainty.
But...
2. If Pascal's words are applied to the expected performance of the next hire:
And the hire is Donovan, Sean Miller, or Bennett, (not saying that is going to happen, but it absolutely could) then Pascal would also look at the events and data surrounding their coaching history, and would probably equate their arrival to a far sunnier outlook for IU.
And that's not hypocrisy. Heck...it's not even hypocracy
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You know the really sad part of all this?
The naming rights to IU's gym is now officially OFF THE TABLE . . .
The naming rights to IU's gym is now officially OFF THE TABLE . . .
Are you using this same quote on your football board? Those fans are doing exactly what you are talking about in saying that Brohm is definitely the one to return Purdue to where the fans think they should be.
Now the $64,000 question: Is Fred Glass going to honor that scholarship of the quidditch player Clappy recruited to the b-ball team??
Excellent point. I'll fix it it. Hypocrisy.
Now, since you wish to speak for Hoosier48, why is one big championship relevant and another not?
I doubt he was fired for making the NIT. I would bet it had more to do with a LOT of talent (even after the injuries) not playing well adn believing that IU no matter who is coaching can get talent. I suspect that the helter skelter play without discipline has been viewed as standard practice rather than an anomaly. I just think they came to realize that this year was pretty consistent in style as some others and other coaches could get the same talent and make it work better.
No matter what they have in coaches, they will always have the face of IU being the perverted ways of Kinsey...
I found the following on the IU board. Maybe Alford is a perfect 'fit' down there:
Alford Resume
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22 Seasons
10 NCAA
4 Conference Titles (4 Mountain West)
5 Conference Tourney Titles (2 B10, 2 Mountain West, 1 PAC)
3 Sweet 16
0 Elite 8
0 Final Four
* Was 15-17 LAST YEAR
* 2 of those Sweet 16 were with Howlands recruits
* Failed to reach Sweet 16 twice as a 3 seed (Getting beat by 14 seed one year)
Alford Resume
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22 Seasons
10 NCAA
4 Conference Titles (4 Mountain West)
5 Conference Tourney Titles (2 B10, 2 Mountain West, 1 PAC)
3 Sweet 16
0 Elite 8
0 Final Four
* Was 15-17 LAST YEAR
* 2 of those Sweet 16 were with Howlands recruits
* Failed to reach Sweet 16 twice as a 3 seed (Getting beat by 14 seed one year)
ieUOTE="Dakota Girl, post: 1366944, member: 20372"]Don't puff your chest out too far. You don't know what Glass is going to do. Just sit back on the couch, press play on the VCR, and watch your 3 hour video and of the banners. We will watch the games and let you know how they go.[/QUOTE]
well well lets see here.
they have the facilities
they have the fan base
they have the funds
they have a hot bed of in state talent. Usually.
they have the media attention year in and year out. If their bad or good.
Yea i'm puffing.
and the competition is alerted that big changes in the big ten coaching arena is about to change.
perhaps you all should just set back and mind your own business. I.U. will take care of it's business quite nicely. We shall see. I have a hunch the rest of the big 10 is saying what I saw as this fan base's first response to the news. "DAMNIT" LOL.
REALITY CHECK IS IN ORDER HERE. I CAN'T PERDICT THE FUTURE BUT I HAVE A FEELING that I.U. could not just have 4 or 5 successful seasons in the last nine years but perhaps be competitive and a contender year in and year out in the not too far off future. Just saying. That should concern the other big ten programs somewhat. Would you not agree? Illinois might get a very good coach with the $$$ they are offering also. Soooooo you got a surging Northwestern, a consistently good Wisconsin, Michigan State usually good year in and out, a surprising Michigan team that could remain very good for years, good news in Bloomington, and very good possibilities in Illinois and then you have the rest. I thank you for your time and go North Dakota.
well well lets see here.
they have the facilities
they have the fan base
they have the funds
they have a hot bed of in state talent. Usually.
they have the media attention year in and year out. If their bad or good.
Yea i'm puffing.
and the competition is alerted that big changes in the big ten coaching arena is about to change.
perhaps you all should just set back and mind your own business. I.U. will take care of it's business quite nicely. We shall see. I have a hunch the rest of the big 10 is saying what I saw as this fan base's first response to the news. "DAMNIT" LOL.
REALITY CHECK IS IN ORDER HERE. I CAN'T PERDICT THE FUTURE BUT I HAVE A FEELING that I.U. could not just have 4 or 5 successful seasons in the last nine years but perhaps be competitive and a contender year in and year out in the not too far off future. Just saying. That should concern the other big ten programs somewhat. Would you not agree? Illinois might get a very good coach with the $$$ they are offering also. Soooooo you got a surging Northwestern, a consistently good Wisconsin, Michigan State usually good year in and out, a surprising Michigan team that could remain very good for years, good news in Bloomington, and very good possibilities in Illinois and then you have the rest. I thank you for your time and go North Dakota.
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It's ALL relevant.
For Tom Crean, the sum total of nine years of relevant information led to the conclusion that he was the wrong guy for the job going forward.
100% agree. Tom did rebuild this program and Zeller was very important to Tom Crean no doubt about it. That's why the entire team was on display for the zeller reaction to the commitment. No Zeller and how long would this have gone on.
There's a lot more than that. Alford was one of Bobby's boys, Mr. BB in indiana, on the team that won an NC at IU, is essentially a folk hero in Indiana, could immediately regenerate a recruiting base that Crean could not, on the Gold Medal Olympic team coached by Knight, it goes on and on and on. Indiana HS coaches would embrace Alford from Day One.
I have no insider info but I think Glass brought Alford back to IU.
I want bennet but this is not the board to discuss sorry Purdue fans this isn't very nice. I would be very excited with Alford and he would have my support 100%. I do not want bennet at Illinois under any condition whatsoever. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
You think Indiana H.S.'s are comfortable with that little rape coverup thingy Alford was involved in while at Iowa do you? Man, you all are always out of the frying pan into the fire...but then "It's Indiana" so why should I be surprised...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ford-sexual-assault-pierce-iowa-2002/2074995/
Wait Purdue University is located in Indiana right? Wow. I'm done.
Well if we have learned anything from history, IU will hang another banner and you won't be sitting on the couch long watching Purdue.
lolThe comedy will never end. The fans come over here to crow about their next hire as if he has already won a banner for them. They've done this with the last 3 hires just like they are doing it now. They are and always have been the main attraction in the circus. Doesn't matter how much superior talent the coach brings in or how the team plays, the Crimson Guard fan base is always hilariously delusional and classless.
It's pretty good really. Purdue has done so little in the tournament that most people don't know what state it's in. I would bet more fans Know Butler is. Now enjoy CS (he is good) and wait another 5-10 year to get another 5 star player.That's the best you've got???
Like you, most IU basketball fans don't even know where IU's campus is. No way are you or the rest of them going to be able to figure out where Purdue is. lol.
Uh, and you are on the Purdue board counting threads. That's a bit obsessive and Little Sister-ish, don't you think ?
arc: While you are kind to give props to my previous posts, in my opinion, the reason I knew about, and you weren't aware of the Crean firing is solely because I had far more interest and access to the facts of the Crean situation. If you had the same info I did you would have reached the same conclusion.
As for your post above...Absolutely! The Peegs free board assorted-nut-collection flamed away at will back then. Every message board fan base has that element. Imagine that...turns out message board flamers were wrong! They very often are.
Let's move to 2017: Pascal's quote that you cited can be applied in (at least) two ways:
1. As a predictor for the quality of coach IU will hire:
Pascal might say that IU's "event(s) that ha(ve) occurred" relates to the IU fan base's hiring expectations, versus the quality of the actual hire. For instance, if IU hires Alford (a real possibility, though I don't think it's the most likely) then a lot of Pascal's logic could hold. Alford has some Sampson ethics and some Crean coaching results on his resume. Pascal would then say that IUBB expected Donovan quality, but history repeated and we got another mixed bag of uncertainty.
But...
2. If Pascal's words are applied to the expected performance of the next hire:
And the hire is Donovan, Sean Miller, or Bennett, (not saying that is going to happen, but it absolutely could) then Pascal would also look at the events and data surrounding their coaching history, and would probably equate their arrival to a far sunnier outlook for IU.
And not hypocrisy. Heck...it's not even hypocracy
JM, I will be astounded if S. Miller, Bennett or Donovan take the IU opening. Miller has just extended in Tuscon - and has access to the strong recruiting area of SoCal. Plus, Tuscon is a really nice place. Bennett at UVa has a program on the up at one of the best universities in the USA. I have actually spent a lot of time in Charlottesville and it is a lovely town. It is ranked by different magazines as one of the best places to live in the USA. It has great restaurants, 4 seasons and access to the major cities on the East Coast. Plus, it is pretty, quiet and near the mountains for recreation and the beach is 2 hours away. I hope to move there one day. As for Donovan, he is an East Coast guy - now living in Oklahoma. If he were to leave the NBA, his roots are back East. I could see him at a BC or Georgetown before IU.
48, most people do not know where Northwestern, Villanova or Gonzaga are located. That doesn't seem to matter very much to their performance. Not that I agree with your comment about lack of knowledge of Purdue's location, but if true, it doesn't matter.
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We agree. He was not fired for this season alone. My guess is that Glass realized that Crean requires a perfect storm of team talent, maturity, and leadership to perform well. Without it they tended to disentigrate, sometimes spectacularly.
I am sure will disagree with part that f this next thought but I'm not sure IU will be able to draw a top tier coach, unless he's young and they just happen to hit the jackpot. But I do believe they will better than they have the last 9 years.
Dakota Girl...in my opinion the ENTIRETY of your post is...
Perfect.
Your take on Crean is so completely spot on (in my opinion). And, I also am not sure that IU can attract a top tier coach, and I'd prefer they roll the dice on a guy like Fife, Archie Miller, or someone else under 40 if they cannot attract a jackpot hire.
What I hope they avoid is a name guy who hasn't really been all that great (i.e. Alford or Mack).
Our concern, if you didn't catch the title of this thread, is that we have had a terrific time (like most of the B1G I might add) making fun of Crean for the last 9 years, and now in the last 12-18 months the IU fans have finally caught on to what a giant joke he has been and finally brought it to an end....
Our concern, if you didn't catch the title of this thread, is that we have had a terrific time (like most of the B1G I might add) making fun of Crean for the last 9 years, and now in the last 12-18 months the IU fans have finally caught on to what a giant joke he has been and finally brought it to an end....
Look at it this way, Boiler Gal: There is now one less clown to laugh at in Bamboozle-Town...
https://mobile.twitter.com/CreanyTom/status/842913307434631168?p=v
And Purdue's 3-stars and 4-stars will still dominate IU's 5-stars. lol.
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