Lance Jones flagrant thread
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Only that it was one of the worst calls I've ever seen.
If anything, that should have been an over the back call. Lance is too short, I guess.
He clearly needs to not box out and let the Illinois player get the rebound.
Worst call in recent memory. A flagrant requires a deliberate “flagrant” action… wrong place at the wrong time causing a fall doesn’t qualify. If it did, how many flagrants would we see being called? Just an absolute shit call.
Also, Gillis went down hard in the first half. They didn't even review it to see if it was a flagrant. I don't know that it was, but it was in no way more egregious than the Jones call.
The refs looked for a long time. I think it was a bad call. I can only guess their reasoning was as the Illinois player started to jump over Lance, they felt Lance stuck his butt out more. But, that's what you do when you box out and Lance had no idea the guy was going to try and jump completely over him.
Can you imagine if Zach jumped on top of someone like that? He’d get thrown out.
I did not think the refs were very sharp tonight. The flagrant foul was just outright bad. Other fouls were equally bad.
Yes. We've seen called where a player only boxes out like that, never actually goes for the rebound, and gets called. But it was nowhere near a flagrant, but only got looked at because of the way Gurrier fell. We've all seen bad calls but that one may actually be the worst ever.
They didn't even call it a foul on the floor. Just out of bounds. That's why commentators were thinking they reviewed it to see who the ball went out on. One of the worst calls I've seen in a long time.
I think I was most confused by the fact that they called a flagrant foul on a play that wasn’t even whistled a common foul on the floor (when it happened in clear view of at least one official) while looking at video to see if the ball touched Gillis or Hawkins last. Wasn’t the purpose of the review for possession?
They can look at the whole play. They can also review a play and call a flagrant where there wasn't a foul in the first place. But this was all wrong.
I was thinking the same thing. Not called on the floor until they went to the review. Very weird call all around.
You described it exactly right, it was a foul on Lance but I don’t see how it was a flagrant. When they review the play, can they assert a common file if none was called live?
I really don't see how it was even a foul without questioning the first tenet and philosophy of rebounding, which everyone knows is boxing out! I've never heard of 'having to go for the rebound' for it to not be a foul when boxing out. Just boxing out by itself is a very valid rebounding strategy in itself without every jumping it. It essentials sets a screen from the boxed out player so that they cannot get to the ball, therefore enabling the player boxing out to easily secure the ball for the rebound.
I retract the second half of that point... I just saw CMP say in his presser that you have to jump for it and you can't just keep coming back into them if they jump... Now I feel dumb, but I don't think I've ever heard that before.
His butt was too far out and he was bent over too much but zero way that was a flagrant. That part was ridiculous.
The Illinois player puts his arm in lances back pushing him down. He couldn’t jump from that position. As for the Mason play the Illinois player pushes him with both hands. Should have been at least a flagrant 1 if not a 2.
I believe it was an incorrect “Flagrant Foul Call’ by the officials. It was a foul but in no way was it flagrant. The B1G office will ho hum it if Painter submits the two plays in question to protect the Zebras while hanging the player!
Yes. Can't call a common foul on a review if none was called, but they can always "add" a flagrant. I have no further comment after consulting with my physician.
It’s the fact that Lance continued to back up, while the opposing player was in the air rather than going after the rebound.
Thank you, that explains it. It didn’t look like a flagrant foul to me, but they either had to call the flagrant or let it go completely as they missed the common foul live.
Really. Literally two minutes earlier Smith drove the lane and fumbled the ball out of bounds and they called it out on Illinois. No long thread about that call...........
Bad call or not it all evens out.
Bad call or not it all evens out.
Comparing a random out of bounds call (where Smith got fouled and we still never saw a good replay of whether it touched Hawkins) to a flagrant that had the potential to cut the lead to 3 under a minute is not fair.
He got fn hammered on that play ya moron. That's why he lost it. Another terrible piece of officiating. #1 in the country and the troll accounts are still try harding. haha
I think the Fletcher one was the refs way of calling an intentional foul, which it absolutely was. It's just not part of college basketball. And the silly thing was that he didn't have to do it because we had 2 more defenders down court.
Sure I get it but at the same time, as a player if you start to box someone out and your momentum is going backward and then that player you’re boxing out is jumping up into you and using your body (shoulders or back or whatever) to either help themself get the rebound or land, the player (lance in this case) can’t just stop and not box out. In the game of play, there’s no way a player can just hold up out of nowhere (similar to the defensive player in football running full speed at a qb and is expected to stop on a dime and not hit the qb in a bang bang play after the qb has just released the football).
Yes he did. The Illinois defender ran straight into the back of him. Jesus you want me to get the replay?
Agree.
I think what the refs saw is that Guerrier landed in the same location that he launched from, but the reality is that the ball was on the opposite side of Jones and Guerrier was attempting to go over Jones to get it. As you say, Jones was attempting to hold his ground as all players are coached in that situation to do and when Guerrier landed on his back, Lance’s leverage caused him to fall in the direction that Guerrier launched from, rather than letting Guerrier push him into Gillis. The refs had a point in theory, but in reality Guerrier instigated the contact by trying to go over Jones.
