The call against TCU in Kansas just now is ridiculous. That’s the kind of thing that needs investigation.
Lance Jones flagrant thread
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I only saw it once, but it sure looked like a basketball play and wrong place/wrong time. Play on. Turned the game around.
Yep, that was the one. Goode should have gotten the flagrant, but they just ignored a TON of Illini fouls. Hell, look at Loyer getting bumped by Hawkins on the same play!
Illinois fans think edey should have been called for the foul and don’t understand why Goode was
Yeah that was bad. Then Hunter hits game winner but takes 4 steps by shuffling his feet (no call) and that was after he pushed off (weak but nonetheless).
KU steals one at home
It shouldn’t be a F1 on Lance, but this is not the first time I’ve seen the same call. It is a judgement call like a block/charge. Do you judge for offense or defense? Which way do most rule changes and judgements lean?
To me, Lance has his knees bent and is boxing out which there is some momentum and resistance that you put forth as you are boxing out, otherwise the defender would just push him in the back and drive him out of position. When the IL player jumps, Lance no longer has anything behind him pushing back and he basically falls back or his momentum causes that when the guy on his back is no longer there.
Not to beat a dead horse but you can't jump like the Illini player did when someone is putting pressure on you. In other words there was some separation before the guy jumped. The guy was going straight up and in my view Jones ended up unintentionally undercutting him. So, it was a foul but was it a flagrant foul? It's a tough call, but you can't really argue it wasn't an aggressive blockout and he did endanger the Illinois player.
I will say this. If I was undercut like that when I was younger, I would have considered it a dirty play and there would have been words after I got up.
In the end, who cares? Purdue won the game.
Of course there is resistance in blocking out. Do refs make calls or not make them due to resistance or are other factors resulting from resistance at play? When a guy closes out and his momentum takes him into the shooter, does the ref say no foul because it was only due to momentum? I need to see it on a computer, because on a phone it appeared that Lance was very low in his block out and continued his block out while the illinois player was airborne undercutting him. I have witnessed the same call before. It is a judgement call similar to block/charge where at some split second a different call "might" be made. I'm sure Illinois fans believe it was the correct call. I don't know if it was the correct call, but I do know it is not the first of it's kind to be called. I also know a F1 was a poor call.
Believe me I'm about as pro Purdue as possible, but with this call I only know a F1 was a horrible call and not jumping was a poor explanation of the call...and yes the call could have helped defeat Purdue. I think the same refs may have done IU/OSU yesterday. Perhaps if I see it on a large screen and can stop it a bit I might be more definitive in stating what I believe the foul should have been called. Get ready to see more bad calls in the Big this season. Lastly, do you or anyone remember Underwood talking about Zach last year camping out and I "think" talking about Zach's fouling?
Of all the opinions of what fans believe, there should be agreement that a F1 and description of why a F1 was wrong and a horrible call that could have helped defeat Purdue was called
Agreed. Refs must know that when they review a play, if they see an infraction that they missed that the rules do not allow for them to call (a foul), then they can't simply make another call (F1) that they are allowed to make, just to cover their miss. Now they have double-downed on their misses, and the 2nd one is deliberate. It's the old "2 wrongs don't make a right" principle.
I get that and agree with that for the most part, but fully aware that in the scope of rules and decisions activism in court decisions can alter that a bit as can someone that sees himself as a judge of fairness. I know one high school ref from years ago that looked at the scorebook for fouls and made sure they were close to even when the game was over. This was his report card on fairness. Going further just casually look for those that expect equality in outcomes in spite of the logic against it on all fronts. Dealing with humans here...and so somewhat unpredictable in nature, but always justified in his or her opinions can lead to a lot of final judgements. Bottom line Resf can and will make decisions that we shake our heads in disagreement as the refs see fit.
