Just curious...Are the transfer WR's and CB's still 4 star players?

[mklinker]

Just curious...Are the transfer WR's and CB's still 4 star players (This was supposed to be a top 30 recruiting class? or were really 3 star players with inflated rankings because they were recruited by SEC schools? Right now I would say that they are 2 star players based upon their contributions.

CJ Smith - Has not played
Kam Brown 2 catches for 68 yards
De' Nylon Morrissette 7 catches for 67 yards

How much NIL $ did we pay these three to produce 135 total yards in 5 games?

Add Jahmal Edrine to the mix and you only get 7 more catches and 103 additional yards

I can only speak for myself but as I type I wish that Burks, Sheffield, and Yaseen were still here. Stats show that they performed SIGNIFICANTLY better than the current WR corps.

The CB room was supposed to be a strength with Green being the best of the bunch. Must be the scheme because he was horrid yesterday.

BTW haven't heard from Cillerdo in awhile.......Bless his heart!

 

[POTFHBTFU]

Just curious...Are the transfer WR's and CB's still 4 star players (This was supposed to be a top 30 recruiting class? or were really 3 star players with inflated rankings because they were recruited by SEC schools? Right now I would say that they are 2 star players based upon their contributions.

CJ Smith - Has not played
Kam Brown 2 catches for 68 yards
De' Nylon Morrissette 7 catches for 67 yards

How much NIL $ did we pay these three to produce 135 total yards in 5 games?

Add Jahmal Edrine to the mix and you only get 7 more catches and 103 additional yards

I can only speak for myself but as I type I wish that Burks, Sheffield, and Yaseen were still here. Stats show that they performed SIGNIFICANTLY better than the current WR corps.

The CB room was supposed to be a strength with Green being the best of the bunch. Must be the scheme because he was horrid yesterday.

BTW haven't heard from Cillerdo in awhile.......Bless his heart!

Morissette jumped from like 400 to 200 in rankings after the sec schools offered, so some truth that there is offer bias. But they probably were 4 star in HS, it just didn’t translate for whatever reason.

These same recruiting services re-rate them as transfers. Nyland green was the only 4 star transfer.

 

[pboiler18]

Morissette jumped from like 400 to 200 in rankings after the sec schools offered, so some truth that there is offer bias. But they probably were 4 star in HS, it just didn’t translate for whatever reason.

These same recruiting services re-rate them as transfers. Nyland green was the only 4 star transfer.

Green is a phenomenal athlete. Just sad he has t gotten any coaching here

 

[Wolegib]

A lot of high school ratings for high school receivers is based on their speed. Rather than their ability to run routes, patterns or catch the ball. They look awesome in their highlight reels outrunning their opponents. You never see the misses.

A lot of high school players lose a lot of their speed as they red shirt and try to bulk up. I’ve seen this happen to track athletes as they bulk up, their speed declines.

And when you have a receiver whose best quality was his speed bulks up and loses that speed, his value as a receiver diminishes.

I recall that 4/5 star receiver that left notre dame and transferred here. He was a total bust. He still had speed but not much else.

 

[TC4THREE]

IMO you can throw out their high school rankings after they wash out of their first program. Unless the player was productive and coming here for financial reasons, there is usually a reason it didn't work out for them at their first stop. Obviously there will be exceptions but when I think of highly touted guys that transferred here like Kyle Williams and Robert Marve it didn't seem to work out too well.

 

[mklinker]

Morissette jumped from like 400 to 200 in rankings after the sec schools offered, so some truth that there is offer bias. But they probably were 4 star in HS, it just didn’t translate for whatever reason.

These same recruiting services re-rate them as transfers. Nyland green was the only 4 star transfer.

I am aware that the players were re-rated. Some in this forum argued that one or more of the transfers/recruits were four star players even after being re-rated as a three star player. Just me being snarky

 

[POTFHBTFU]

I am aware that the players were re-rated. Some in this forum argued that one or more of the transfers/recruits were four star players even after being re-rated as a three star player. Just me being snarky

Yep that wasn’t necessarily addressed to you I was preaching to the choir, we are very much aligned on this .

 

[Wolegib]

3 or 4 star. They still should be better than what we have seen from them.

 

[NVboiler]

Too bad none are like Broc Thompson in the Tennessee bowl game, 217 yards with two broken legs. Now, there was a player. Comparing all our present receivers to him, all should be ashamed. I think that Purdue should have an award named after him for any such exceptional receiver feats.

 

[Bippus33]

IMO you can throw out their high school rankings after they wash out of their first program. Unless the player was productive and coming here for financial reasons, there is usually a reason it didn't work out for them at their first stop. Obviously there will be exceptions but when I think of highly touted guys that transferred here like Kyle Williams and Robert Marve it didn't seem to work out too well.

The thing that seems to be proving out in the transfer portal is how many how many meaningful minutes have players played prior to entering the portal...
Some schools won't take a player out of the portal unless they have 2-3 years of experience.......

 

[POTFHBTFU]

The thing that seems to be proving out in the transfer portal is how many how many meaningful minutes have players played prior to entering the portal...
Some schools won't take a player out of the portal unless they have 2-3 years of experience.......

This. Like our coach, these guys are lottery tickets. Our odds haven’t been great…

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Just curious...Are the transfer WR's and CB's still 4 star players (This was supposed to be a top 30 recruiting class? or were really 3 star players with inflated rankings because they were recruited by SEC schools? Right now I would say that they are 2 star players based upon their contributions.

CJ Smith - Has not played
Kam Brown 2 catches for 68 yards
De' Nylon Morrissette 7 catches for 67 yards

How much NIL $ did we pay these three to produce 135 total yards in 5 games?

Add Jahmal Edrine to the mix and you only get 7 more catches and 103 additional yards

I can only speak for myself but as I type I wish that Burks, Sheffield, and Yaseen were still here. Stats show that they performed SIGNIFICANTLY better than the current WR corps.

The CB room was supposed to be a strength with Green being the best of the bunch. Must be the scheme because he was horrid yesterday.

BTW haven't heard from Cillerdo in awhile.......Bless his heart!

Almost nothing lol.. you think these guys cost?

I don’t care if Ryan Walters is the coach or if you get someone much better. You aren’t doing anything short term due to the portal unless you pay. You get a good new coach and you give him 4 million above and beyond retention NIL just to go get you 6-8 players and now you can start expecting quick turnarounds. If not, you’re looking at long years waiting for high schoolers to come and mature.

 

[Wolegib]

Almost nothing lol.. you think these guys cost?

I don’t care if Ryan Walters is the coach or if you get someone much better. You aren’t doing anything short term due to the portal unless you pay. You get a good new coach and you give him 4 million above and beyond retention NIL just to go get you 6-8 players and now you can start expecting quick turnarounds. If not, you’re looking at long years waiting for high schoolers to come and mature.

And if you are unwilling to fork out big bucks for nil, do you really expect any replacement for Walters to succeed or do a better job than Walters is doing?

At OSU, their track team has a budget. They can only offer so much money to so many athletes and only so many scholarships. They cannot afford to offer the money they want to attract all the athletes they want to recruit.

The same most likely true for Purdue football. What you are currently seeing is the best team Purdue could afford to build. They allowed players to leave so they could use that money to keep the players they have. There is only so much money available to give. Purdue is not some nfl team with an owner who doesn’t care if he makes a profit or not. Teams like the bears and jests don’t care how much money they lose. Purdue is the Brewers of college sports. They are good with a limited budget.

 

[ANDY597]

Almost nothing lol.. you think these guys cost?

I don’t care if Ryan Walters is the coach or if you get someone much better. You aren’t doing anything short term due to the portal unless you pay. You get a good new coach and you give him 4 million above and beyond retention NIL just to go get you 6-8 players and now you can start expecting quick turnarounds. If not, you’re looking at long years waiting for high schoolers to come and mature.

Minnesota, Vandy, all had big wins last weekend you cant tell me they have bigger nil than us. Just having a better game plan and limiting bone headed mistakes will make us better don't say we cant win cause we have no nil. And when all is said and done the big dogs will still get the 5 star and we will get the 3 stars. now if a 3 star becomes someone then we have to pony up to keep them but no player on this team deserves any nil except MOCK cause he at least seams to still have some fire and cares.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Minnesota, Vandy, all had big wins last weekend you cant tell me they have bigger nil than us. Just having a better game plan and limiting bone headed mistakes will make us better don't say we cant win cause we have no nil. And when all is said and done the big dogs will still get the 5 star and we will get the 3 stars. now if a 3 star becomes someone then we have to pony up to keep them but no player on this team deserves any nil except MOCK cause he at least seams to still have some fire and cares.

Walters has been a disaster. That doesn’t mean the next coach is going to have the players he needs to be good. Better than Walters? I’m pretty sure the front desk lady at my hotel might have a chance to do better.

Minnesota likely does have better NIL but they definitely have a better high school base. They are it in Minneapolis which produces good talent.

Purdue fans are in denial about Nil

That’s why when the next coach is hired I need to get people on record talking about how they love the hire.

 

[BBG]

That’s why when the next coach is hired I need to get people on record talking about how they love the hire.

Well I already love the hire because it won't be Walters.

 

[pboiler18]

Walters has been a disaster. That doesn’t mean the next coach is going to have the players he needs to be good. Better than Walters? I’m pretty sure the front desk lady at my hotel might have a chance to do better.

Minnesota likely does have better NIL but they definitely have a better high school base. They are it in Minneapolis which produces good talent.

Purdue fans are in denial about Nil

That’s why when the next coach is hired I need to get people on record talking about how they love the hire.

Last year the narrative was that Walters had to nuke the roster to bring in talent for his system. Now the narrative is that there’s no upperclassmen talent left and that’s on Brohm.

Which is it?

You have to plug holes via the portal but still need to develop guys. Walters hasn’t done either. Couple that with horrendous coaching from about every aspect and a team as fundamentally sound as pee wee leaguers - you get what we see.

I didn’t like the hire because it was antithetical to the things that have made Purdue successful in the past. I gave the guy a chance but the Syracuse game was the last straw. A team we were clearly more talented than just running the same play over and over and us not being able to stop it.

That’s when I knew this team was rudderless. That’s when I knew this scheme didn’t work. The offense disappearing completely and then reappearing again was all I needed to see.

The next guy gets some leeway that Walters didn’t because he’s walking into 5-19 and not 17-8 like Walters did. Walters took a pretty good foundation and ****ed it up. It wasn’t perfect by any means but there was enough here to build from and be successful if you knew what you were doing.

I’m not mad about it. I don’t like Walters but I appreciate that he’d take the job and try. Time to flush this experiment and try to forge our way successfully in the new NIL era. Talking about NIL in reference to this staff is a perfect storm combo of pissing into the wind while lighting cash on fire. Walters could have gotten as much as OSU did in NIL money and we’d still be terrible.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Last year the narrative was that Walters had to nuke the roster to bring in talent for his system. Now the narrative is that there’s no upperclassmen talent left and that’s on Brohm.

Which is it?

You have to plug holes via the portal but still need to develop guys. Walters hasn’t done either. Couple that with horrendous coaching from about every aspect and a team as fundamentally sound as pee wee leaguers - you get what we see.

I didn’t like the hire because it was antithetical to the things that have made Purdue successful in the past. I gave the guy a chance but the Syracuse game was the last straw. A team we were clearly more talented than just running the same play over and over and us not being able to stop it.

That’s when I knew this team was rudderless. That’s when I knew this scheme didn’t work. The offense disappearing completely and then reappearing again was all I needed to see.

The next guy gets some leeway that Walters didn’t because he’s walking into 5-19 and not 17-8 like Walters did. Walters took a pretty good foundation and ****ed it up. It wasn’t perfect by any means but there was enough here to build from and be successful if you knew what you were doing.

I’m not mad about it. I don’t like Walters but I appreciate that he’d take the job and try. Time to flush this experiment and try to forge our way successfully in the new NIL era. Talking about NIL in reference to this staff is a perfect storm combo of pissing into the wind while lighting cash on fire. Walters could have gotten as much as OSU did in NIL money and we’d still be terrible.

I never said he had to nuke the roster lol.

For the 85th non reader.. Walters is on his way to being fired. Good. But that doesn’t mean things are going to be Rosey. Purdue has bigger problems than who the coach is.

And we know this because notice the argument of many is that a good coach can come here and win 6-7 games. Notice no one is saying 8-9.

You realize even Brohm’s magical 8 win seasons are nothing to most of the programs in the big ten right? No one is throwing pj fleck a party for winning 8 games.

And that’s because it’s a lot easier to win 8 there or at Iowa or in Madison.

Walters should be fired. STOP… READ. Walters should be fired. But that doesn’t change the commitment level of the big money donors. Their commitment is to give just enough to football nil that they hope no one will ever think about asking Purdue to take a reduced big ten share with the implied threat of leaving.. so they can get to the real business.. basketball

 

[pboiler18]

I never said he had to nuke the roster lol.

For the 85th non reader.. Walters is on his way to being fired. Good. But that doesn’t mean things are going to be Rosey. Purdue has bigger problems than who the coach is.

And we know this because notice the argument of many is that a good coach can come here and win 6-7 games. Notice no one is saying 8-9.

You realize even Brohm’s magical 8 win seasons are nothing to most of the programs in the big ten right? No one is throwing pj fleck a party for winning 8 games.

And that’s because it’s a lot easier to win 8 there or at Iowa or in Madison.

Walters should be fired. STOP… READ. Walters should be fired. But that doesn’t change the commitment level of the big money donors. Their commitment is to give just enough to football nil that they hope no one will ever think about asking Purdue to take a reduced big ten share with the implied threat of leaving.. so they can get to the real business.. basketball

We agree on most parts. YOU need to go back and read. I never stated that you said he should t. I think that’s the obvious part to everybody now.

6-7 wins, occasional upsets and competitive games with fun players is all we want.

It’s not hard. We don’t need an NIL treasure trove for that.

What we have is the complete opposite and the program has basically been gutted in 22 months. I feel like members of the board could’ve run it and done better. We have Wolegib poster level contributions from Walters where we need at least 20x that to be better.

I think you need some baseline before you can talk about what NIl will do for the program. Good coaching takes care of a lot. Once you have the right guy you can sell progress and supplement talent and $$ from there

 

[POTFHBTFU]

We agree on most parts. YOU need to go back and read. I never stated that you said he should t. I think that’s the obvious part to everybody now.

6-7 wins, occasional upsets and competitive games with fun players is all we want.

It’s not hard. We don’t need an NIL treasure trove for that.

What we have is the complete opposite and the program has basically been gutted in 22 months. I feel like members of the board could’ve run it and done better. We have Wolegib poster level contributions from Walters where we need at least 20x that to be better.

I think you need some baseline before you can talk about what NIl will do for the program. Good coaching takes care of a lot. Once you have the right guy you can sell progress and supplement talent and $$ from there

This. Throwing good money at players with a bad coach and bad team won’t get us the type of players we want.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

We agree on most parts. YOU need to go back and read. I never stated that you said he should t. I think that’s the obvious part to everybody now.

6-7 wins, occasional upsets and competitive games with fun players is all we want.

It’s not hard. We don’t need an NIL treasure trove for that.

What we have is the complete opposite and the program has basically been gutted in 22 months. I feel like members of the board could’ve run it and done better. We have Wolegib poster level contributions from Walters where we need at least 20x that to be better.

I think you need some baseline before you can talk about what NIl will do for the program. Good coaching takes care of a lot. Once you have the right guy you can sell progress and supplement talent and $$ from there

I’m saying read as in don’t take what I’m saying as defending Walters. I wanted him to have his chance to prove what they hired him to prove (because they were never firing him after ND anyway). He got it and failed.

The mere fact that that’s what you want shows the truth in what I am saying. At Minnesota 6-7 wins is just a meh season and a reason to talk about how the flecksters act has gotten old.

Do you think the networks are paying full shares for teams who get a better coach and just win 6 games? So you obviously need a better coach. A new AD might be needed too. But without the other part this isn’t sustainable. Not in the new big ten