IU vs Wisconsin on ESPN

[arcb102000]

Neither is a good team. Wisconsin at least has the excuse of injuries. Each lost seniors from last season.

Happ is having an awesome game. IU looks terrible. Dakich is really cutting Davis down along with much of the rest of the IU team. Both these teams are likely in the bottom third of the B1G.

 

[Do Dah Day]

Neither is a good team. Wisconsin at least has the excuse of injuries. Each lost seniors from last season.

Happ is having an awesome game. IU looks terrible. Dakich is really cutting Davis down along with much of the rest of the IU team. Both these teams are likely in the bottom third of the B1G.

I'm not going to waste my time, but I do wonder, Is the problem with IU players that they are uncoachable?

 

[JohnHoosierr]

Gard is not bo ryan. Will likely be a middle of the pack team most years unless they can find another great coach.

 

[klmLB]

Gard is not bo ryan. Will likely be a middle of the pack team most years unless they can find another great coach.

There aren't many Bo Ryans anywhere. They had a ton of success for many years with Bo. Even when you thought they were in a rebuilding year, they'd finish Top 4 in the league.

Gard seems like a good in-game coach. Recruiting wise, I thought they had a highly touted guard committed only to see him end up at Kentucky.

Is this a case of the injuries were to key contributors this year? Or Gard isn't yet the recruiter he needs to be?

 

[Pu71indy]

DD said they should not have fired Crean . Indictment of Archie's coaching? I was always worried IU would hire Holtman. He is making more progress than Archie.

 

[JohnHoosierr]

There aren't many Bo Ryans anywhere. They had a ton of success for many years with Bo. Even when you thought they were in a rebuilding year, they'd finish Top 4 in the league.

Gard seems like a good in-game coach. Recruiting wise, I thought they had a highly touted guard committed only to see him end up at Kentucky.

Is this a case of the injuries were to key contributors this year? Or Gard isn't yet the recruiter he needs to be?

Obviously there aren't many bo ryan level coaches. Gard certainly isn't one of them which is why i believe they'll fall back to a mid-pack level team.

 

[Do Dah Day]

I hate it when an IU thread turns into a Wisky thread .... which reminds me ... Four Roses Single Barrel .... or ... Eagle Rare....

 

[boilerpt]

IU should not be this bad. There is way too much talent on that roster to perform as they do. I'm a bit surprised Miller hasn't been able to do more with them.

 

[Mandeville LA]

I went over to their board just to look to see what was being talked about. From what I could tell they are spit between being ASU in two years to “we are horable”

I don’t go over there very often but sometimes I get a sense it maybe melting down and cannot help myself.

 

[Do Dah Day]

I went over to their board just to look to see what was being talked about. From what I could tell they are spit between being ASU in two years to “we are horable”

I don’t go over there very often but sometimes I get a sense it maybe melting down and cannot help myself.

We'll know more in .... "SLAP MY FACE" ... a year .... maybe ...

 

[topurdue2]

Neither is a good team. Wisconsin at least has the excuse of injuries. Each lost seniors from last season.

Happ is having an awesome game. IU looks terrible. Dakich is really cutting Davis down along with much of the rest of the IU team. Both these teams are likely in the bottom third of the B1G.

I've never recall seeing a group of players look so miserable playing basketball. Reminds me of when the one guy, with all that sauce, played here times 100..

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

IU should not be this bad. There is way too much talent on that roster to perform as they do. I'm a bit surprised Miller hasn't been able to do more with them.

Think of Ken N. (Navy’s football coach) trying to come to Purdue and install the wishbone-triple option...would he be successful? What Archie wants to do is is so different from the type of players he currently has, it is no surprise they are struggling this year. The issue is if Archie will be able to get players good enough in the future to do what he wants and be able to maintain traction...something nobody has done at IU for more than 15-20 years.

Does Archie survive 4 years at IU if he doesn’t place higher than 5th and doesn’t get higher than an 8 seed in the NCAa’s?

 

[Do Dah Day]

Think of Ken N. (Navy’s football coach) trying to come to Purdue and install the wishbone-triple option...would he be successful? What Archie wants to do is is so different from the type of players he currently has, it is no surprise they are struggling this year. The issue is if Archie will be able to get players good enough in the future to do what he wants and be able to maintain traction...something nobody has done at IU for more than 15-20 years.

Does Archie survive 4 years at IU if he doesn’t place higher than 5th and doesn’t get higher than an 8 seed in the NCAa’s?

So, wouldn't a good coach take what he has and make the most of it while waiting on what he really wants? Honestly, is it his job to make the recruits from his predecessor look awful? These are not terrible basketball players. Why waist a year of their/his/the fan's lives just because they can't/won't do what HE wants to do?

 

[topurdue2]

So, wouldn't a good coach take what he has and make the most of it while waiting on what he really wants? Honestly, is it his job to make the recruits from his predecessor look awful? These are not terrible basketball players. Why waist a year of their/his/the fan's lives just because they can't/won't do what HE wants to do?

We've went through a similar situation when Painter didn't recruit a "Purdue Type Player". Coaches tend to believe the most talented player gives them the best shot at winning. I think IU will be fine, but they're going to have to wait 3 or 4 years before they are competing with the top 3 in the Big Ten. I definitely see it as a player issue right now, but that doesn't mean they've found the right coach either. We'll know more in 3 years..

 

[Emartin70287]

I tuned in to hear dakitch praising Wisconsin's JV squad with a star whipping IU as the varsity team. Man can he be harsh, and on Davis too.

 

[spradecki]

IU SUCKS

 

[Dakota Girl]

I'm not going to waste my time, but I do wonder, Is the problem with IU players that they are uncoachable?

If I were an IU fan I would want to see a team that plays hard, smart, basketball, especially on defense, regardless of talent level. If that is not happening I’m concerned about the future of my team under the coach.
If the problem is uncoachable players, those players should not get in a game.

 

[Dakota Girl]

So, wouldn't a good coach take what he has and make the most of it while waiting on what he really wants? Honestly, is it his job to make the recruits from his predecessor look awful? These are not terrible basketball players. Why waist a year of their/his/the fan's lives just because they can't/won't do what HE wants to do?

I think there was s an important distinction to be made here. If they can’t do what he wants, he must change what he is asking for until his personnel fits his desired system. If they will not do what he wants they must be benched or cut.

 

[Hausta01]

DD said they should not have fired Crean . Indictment of Archie's coaching? I was always worried IU would hire Holtman. He is making more progress than Archie.

It would seem the situation at IU was worse than even we all joked about with Clappy. The lockerroom in basketball is too tight of a group for more than 1 guy who doesn't want to play D or give 100%. As soon as there is a second guy the 2 slackers can then slack together and it spreads.

Archie should have burned the whole thing to the ground this year and started over. They would be bad, but they are bad anyway. They just have too many players used to basically doing whatever they wanted. That's not solved with a few months of actual coaching.

So it's a good thing IU will have about 9 small forwards on the team next year. Will really help build chemistry.

 

[meenie]

He was saying iu was the school with the most talent between the two. I didn't see that. Iu has no talent at all and dreadful to watch.

 

[proudopete]

Curtis Jones is a genius.

 

[tjreese]

I'm not going to waste my time, but I do wonder, Is the problem with IU players that they are uncoachable?

Don't know enough about them to be THAT informed. but I suspect we are seeing some truth to what you suggest and it may start with an infatuation of individual "star power" over building a team...

 

[boilerpt]

Think of Ken N. (Navy’s football coach) trying to come to Purdue and install the wishbone-triple option...would he be successful? What Archie wants to do is is so different from the type of players he currently has, it is no surprise they are struggling this year. The issue is if Archie will be able to get players good enough in the future to do what he wants and be able to maintain traction...something nobody has done at IU for more than 15-20 years.

Does Archie survive 4 years at IU if he doesn’t place higher than 5th and doesn’t get higher than an 8 seed in the NCAa’s?

What I would expect a good coach to do is set his players up for success....see Brohm, Holt, and co. with our football team this year. This IU team has plenty of strengths. He needs to find a way to maximize them.

 

[DrEss]

Maybe joining an AAU league might be his first move

 

[FirstDownB]

I went over to their board just to look to see what was being talked about. From what I could tell they are spit between being ASU in two years to “we are horable”

I don’t go over there very often but sometimes I get a sense it maybe melting down and cannot help myself.

It's a sad place. Several posters come across like mental patients off their meds. We've got a few here, but not many. Get the feeling some of their lives revolve around that bball team. Almost feel sorry for them.. almost.

 

[Erock_94]

Dakich was ripping the IU players, hard. WOW

 

[DrEss]

Looking forward to his show today

 

[Purdue 95]

Get the feeling some of their lives revolve around that bball team.

You just described 85% of their fanbase. If it wasn't for their basketball history, that school would have absolutely zero identity. That is literally all they are known for.

 

[joe for prez]

I made a bet with an IU fan preseason. 100 bones for every spot above 5th that Purdue finishes and 100 for every spot below 5th that IU finishes and the opposite for him.

May take a trip to Vegas on him this spring.

 

[tjreese]

You just described 85% of their fanbase. If it wasn't for their basketball history, that school would have absolutely zero identity. That is literally all they are known for.

can't forget Kinsey the child pedophile

 

[bonefish1]

We've went through a similar situation when Painter didn't recruit a "Purdue Type Player". Coaches tend to believe the most talented player gives them the best shot at winning. I think IU will be fine, but they're going to have to wait 3 or 4 years before they are competing with the top 3 in the Big Ten. I definitely see it as a player issue right now, but that doesn't mean they've found the right coach either. We'll know more in 3 years..

I disagree. The most talented player absolutely, without question, gives you the best chance at winning.
It's the coaches job to mold the talent, player, system all into something that works and wins games.
Are players selfish and want to showcase their skills, especially those that have a legit shot at the NBA? Of course they do. Same reason passing QBs go to schools that throw the ball a lot. If Painter can't mold his coaching style and system to fit player's talents, then that's on Painter.

 

[arcb102000]

What is interesting is the IU fans as a group (with some disagreeing) seem to feel that Archie has nothing/little to do with this mess because the players are Crean's players.

Haven't we seen here that a good coach can take another coach's players and dramatically transform how they do? If so, then what is the excuse?

 

[proudopete]

What is interesting is the IU fans as a group (with some disagreeing) seem to feel that Archie has nothing/little to do with this mess because the players are Crean's players.

Haven't we seen here that a good coach can take another coach's players and dramatically transform how they do? If so, then what is the excuse?

Yeah, they aren’t a smart bunch by any means. It’s natural to not want to admit that this wasn’t the great hire they all claimed it would be. They did that for 9 years with Crean.

 

[Boilermaker]

I made a bet with an IU fan preseason. 100 bones for every spot above 5th that Purdue finishes and 100 for every spot below 5th that IU finishes and the opposite for him.

May take a trip to Vegas on him this spring.

Dumbest IU fan ever? That is a ridiculous bet I can’t see any semi informed sane person making against you. Good for you for taking his money! Haha!

 

[*4purdue*]

IU should not be this bad. There is way too much talent on that roster to perform as they do. I'm a bit surprised Miller hasn't been able to do more with them.

Miller will get a pass this year because they did lose alot & it's his first year. I would be concerned if I were an IU fan though. They look bad, he has done nothing to adjust & he's not pulling in the recruits like Crean did.

 

[tjreese]

Dumbest IU fan ever? That is a ridiculous bet I can’t see any semi informed sane person making against you. Good for you for taking his money! Haha!

I don't know...seemed like child abuse when I read it.

 

[joe for prez]

Dumbest IU fan ever? That is a ridiculous bet I can’t see any semi informed sane person making against you. Good for you for taking his money! Haha!

Easy to play on their emotions before the season

 

[BoilerAndy]

So, wouldn't a good coach take what he has and make the most of it while waiting on what he really wants? Honestly, is it his job to make the recruits from his predecessor look awful? These are not terrible basketball players. Why waist a year of their/his/the fan's lives just because they can't/won't do what HE wants to do?

You mean, like Brohm?

 

[BoilerAndy]

He was saying iu was the school with the most talent between the two. I didn't see that. Iu has no talent at all and dreadful to watch.

Under Crean, IU was at or near the top of the B1G in recruiting the past several years.

 

[IndyGlen]

He was saying iu was the school with the most talent between the two. I didn't see that. Iu has no talent at all and dreadful to watch.

There is a lot of talent at IU (4 top 100 kids) - Archie is not able or doesn’t want, to adjust his style to fit his roster. If creen was 7-6 at this point, IU fans would be demanding his head. Archie is being “excused” cause theyre not his guys. Seems reasonable I suppose, but great coaches are able to adjust.