Normally I don't like to post IU related threads, but since I am forced to watch it at the bar I am at and it's a bye week. ..all I can say is MSU and IU are both going to rill us.
IU vs MSU
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Already played MSU and lost by 3.
But yes, IU will hang 40+ on us while Purdue grinds out 17 with our establish the run game plan. At least Kevin Wilson understands he's not going to get the top level recruits you need for a great defense so you have to put up a lot of points.
Hazell thinks Purdue can be early 90's Nebraska with MAC talent. Present yourself well at press conferences and 3-ring binders on character are the keys to success in the B1G apparently.
But yes, IU will hang 40+ on us while Purdue grinds out 17 with our establish the run game plan. At least Kevin Wilson understands he's not going to get the top level recruits you need for a great defense so you have to put up a lot of points.
Hazell thinks Purdue can be early 90's Nebraska with MAC talent. Present yourself well at press conferences and 3-ring binders on character are the keys to success in the B1G apparently.
You're right, I totally forgot we played MSU already... that said IU might as well just leave the bucket in Bloomington since our chances of beating them are slim.
I don't know if I'd agree that you have to focus on offense to be good at that level.
I think it's more so you have to choose to focus on one or the other. Defensive recruits aren't more at a premium than offensive recruits (if anything, skill positions are harder to recruit and those are mostly offensive).
But with a limited overall talent level (and you aren't going to have 2 "premium" coordinators), you can either spread it across all units (and be average at it all) or focus your system on something you can focus your recruiting on (defensive scheme, offensive scheme, etc.).
I think if a guy like Venables came and became a coach at Purdue, he could develop a great defense. The offense may be average. But it'd still give us chances to win against good teams. IU is simply the opposite. Kevin Wilson was a very talented offensive coordinator at Oklahoma.
It's the old saying "offense is about the X,s and O,s, defense the Jimmies and Joes.
You don't need blue chip recruits to have a good offense. Just a good coach and scheme. Many years IU has had an offense that could put up points. Look at Northwestern as well. None of those teams had a lot of elite talent.
Obviously a good defensive coach can improve a defense but there are certain things that are just more talent based on defense. A lock down corner or DE that just blows up OTs do much of that out of talent, not coaching. A coach can improve a LBers tackling technique but he can't coaching him to have sideline to sideline range.
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speaking of offense, I watched some Toledo football again today and wouldn't mind their coach Matt Campbell as our next coach.
I mean I get what you are saying, but there's also schools that have done well with a defensive focus. Iowa is one of those schools. Most of their success is has been due to defense. And they haven't been overly talented. Boston College is currently 3rd in the country in scoring defense - not that talented. Toledo is 7th in the country in scoring defense.
Saying you can have a good offense with a good scheme and decent talent means you have a good offense, but it's not great. You don't necessarily have playmakers that can compete.
That is no different than having a good defensive scheme with decent talent - but you won't have sideline to sideline range.
They will. It is actually depressing seeing how far Purdue has fallen in the offense over the years. When have we ever had a wide receiver as good as IU's this year? Imagine some of those guys on old Purdue teams. Even those teams couldn't get them. Purdue simply has to get a coaching staff who can recruit wide receivers and who understands the passing game. Watched that game today just looking at how much better they are offensively than Purdue is. It is just night and day difference. And at the end of the season what are Hazell's and Burke's accomplishments? IU's quarterback makes ours look like a wet rag.
How do you get alumni to give to the university? News flash for Purdue AD... it is called a winning football program.
3 consecutive unanimous last place finishes in the big ten
3 horrible losing seasons
3 consecutive seasons without a single big ten win at home
3 consecutive worst offenses ever
3 consecutive loses to losing IU teams
3 consecutive last place in home attendance
Cobb was a Purdue commit. He switched to IU when Wilson said he could play WR. Hazell recruited him as a safety and didn't see him as a WR.
Just another, and I've lost track at this point, of Hazell's mistakes.
We should have hired the OC at Oklahoma before Kevin Wilson. Hell of a Big Ten LB too...
Most wouldn't, but hard to think he'd be a downgrade from Haze and weird beard.
Doesn't he have a business / PR degree? Yeah Large 3 ring binders so cutting edge. The only reason I think they still make large 3 ring binders are for the military and courts.
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Umm we've had plenty of receivers better than what they have this year.
That is, literally, the most ridiculous thing that I have ever read on the Internet.
Talent is only required to be good on one side of the ball in football, while the other side is completely dependent upon scheme and playcalling, and can be manned by any combination of D-III scrubs and borderline walk-ons to be successful.
Got it. I think you've all found your new Vince Lombardi to hire. Call off the search!
How can you possibly miss the fact that IU is good on offense because they are supremely talented on that side of the ball? It's not because Wilson is some kind of genius, cause I've got news for you , he ain't. They have one of the best OLs in the conference, one of the best RBs in the country, a very good college QB, and above-average receivers.
How much football do you even watch?
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In the words of Lloyd Christmas... " So your telling me there's a chance... YEAH!
IU will hang 50+ on us.
Hopefully that game will be Hazell's last.
Hopefully that game will be Hazell's last.
The question is what will Burke do when they hang us? I like that they at least opened the wallet to pay a coach (amazing it took them this long to even resemble effort....too little too late). I've noticed Burke doesn't like to do anything with football. He just wants to pay the coach and he thinks of it like he's the CEO and the coaching staff is beneath him. Not the proper way. The AD needs to be someone riding the coaching staff hard with constant involvement and constant oversight. And the coach has to be someone on the same page with AD and who respects unquestionably the AD's knowledge of the matter. Someone who coached the game at a high level would be ideal, because that is someone the new coach isn't going to be able to B.S. Hazell took a Purdue team (as bad is was) that won half its games on average and won at Michigan and should have beat OSU 3 out of 4 times. And that same team hasn't won a single Big home game since and has been blown out by 3 losing IU teams in a row. And a team that has digressed from one season to the next. We don't do anything well under Hazell, and for a school priding itself on passing game is probably the worst passing team in any of the major conferences by far. We don't play good defense in any phase, have the most stagnant offense I have ever seen, can't even kick (not that anyone even cares at this point), can't do anything. It is the most discouraging coaching staff ever. There is simply no excuse for this kind of result. How does a staff basically lose every single game to a big ten school and half the teams we play are losing teams that each have several blowouts from horrible teams themselves. It isn't like every team on our schedule is Ohio State. Not saying it is easy, but there is no way this team should be losing all its game repeatedly. It is simply mind blowing how bad the coaching staff is. Totally ineffective. And it has a lot to do with Burke's hands off approach. He's got to be in the coaches comfort zone enough so to let his presence be known at least in a positive way to provide what is needed and have positive input and ideas. We need a new AD after this. I hope if we have to relent through another blowout loss to IU at home that the positive thing such as new AD comes to be at the end of the day.
No. We're going to give Burke another chance. He can't possibly blow 3 football hires in a row.
Right?
Yes IU should beat Purdue this year,but last years loss wasn't a blowout,and they have only beaten Purdue badly at Ross Ade once,in 1988 ,in my 63 years.
