Nice. My 8 year old knows cursive. Far better handwriting than me!
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Yeah, that way they have no ability to read the constitution as it was written.
Many years ago this was a topic in education circles and there were some studies that linked cursive to reading well. I don't recall why or if it was legit. What is troubling is that many younger people don't know how to hold a pen or pencil. Sometimes it looks like they have a knife and are cutting a difficult substance. I started printing everything because I had some teachers (engineering graphics/statics) that required printing. Now I can write cursive, but it is no longer natural.What we are seeing is a love for technology (and some loss of motor skills) where today many people type on a computer or phone and so those disciples of ed skool didn't think the kids needed cursive. Course in 1989 the national teachers of mathematics pushed unlimited calculator use as far down as elementary since most kids could get a calculator. Imagine the inability to estimate without a calculator and many other things to lose brain cells. There have been a LOT of retreads in education that thought that things would work this time if only they had the right people for the lab rats (students). That too is a philosphy in some politics as written by Thomas Sowell in his "Conflict of Vision" book...that is outstanding!
Not sure how your homeschool is set up...all on you or a group that shares responsibilities on various subjects, but if you can get a Saxon math book andwith the way it teaches math you will be happy with the results. Singapore math is another, but I'm unfamiliar with on a personal level.
The cursive thing must just be an Indiana thing. All of my kids were taught to write in cursive here in Tennessee. My youngest is 16 so it’s been fairly recent.
We use Singapore for math. Looked at Saxon but prefer Singapore’s focus on mastery
Good for you!!! Not as familiar with Singapore. The key is introduction to a new concept and practice it. Then add a new concept and practice it, but don't forget the earlier concept as it should get repeated throughout. That approach (not as popular in other books) has 150 years of studies on learning. You may also notice that the math book is about math instead of outside things and therefore smaller...
South Carolina no longer teaches cursive either.
No, generally most things start out east and it takes a while for things to migrate west if they do. Open concept was an example. Also, the particular teacher and book series can be in play. It definitely was in play back in the 90s...mid 90s anyway in some areas
You can blame the states that either removed the cursive writing standard or left it optional for the schools.
Indiana removed the requirement a while back. Brought it back not too long ago.
I haven't kept track, but did the idea that there can be more than one right answer to a math problem ever get momentum beyond the west coast?
I was told by a teacher that they never stopped teaching it but they did shorten the time they spent teaching it. The reasoning was that it isn’t used much anymore and it really doesn’t take long to learn. I know I print almost everything anymore or else it would be hardly legible.
Much more valuable learning how to type these days. I am still flabbergasted by how many Gen Z folks don't know how to type properly. Huge time waste for how much they use keyboards in school now.
where is that happening ? (Genuinely curious) from a legal standpoint you can use a crude drawing of genitals for a valid legally binding signature, if one chooses to do so of course
I'm not current on the cursive writing debates. I will say that years ago there was research out showing the positive effect on learning. I have never really dug into the articles to grasp the vailidity of such, but there are plenty of links on it...or were...
There is a fascination about technology in ed skool and of course technology gets outdated pretty quickly. I mentioned the 1989 NCTM approach with unlimited calculator use all the way down in elementary. Few teachers, administration and politicians have much background in education past their immediate local area and even then many have a limited data base and understanding. Again, I don't have an informed opinion on cursive writing, but it like everything else has no solution, but rather tradeoffs. Meanwhile the Baltimore public school continues to have few if any competent on grade level...
Besides not knowing how to write cursive, these kids and young adults do not know how to tell time with analog clocks. They don't teach that in schools anymore either.
The cure for mental health issues is for kids to deal with reality and find god.
It's God and as a christian myself ,I do believe God is the answer, but going through stuff, you might not see that at first. My mom went through stuff after a medicine she went on years ago and could not pull herself out until months had went by. We don't know what ANYBODY else is going through and what dark hole, they night be in. This is a time where the phrase "don't judge me" is gonna be beneficial. I hope you and your loved ones have never had to face mental issues.
There are studies showing the benefits of handwriting and what it triggers within your brain. Worked at a company who made us hand write and draw slides before making them on a computer. The creative side of your brain doesn’t activate the same way when trying to do it on a computer first. Still do it today because I get brain freeze if I try and do it straight on the computer.
Writing skill, as with most things, starts at home. HomeWORK is a real thing, or used to be.
Including curriculum from elected school boards.
Thinking like that keeps us ranked in that 40-50 range in most things.
Blaming teachers for what parents are doing or not doing is sticking your head in the sand.
Yeah, that way they have no ability to read the constitution as it was written.
What we are seeing is a love for technology (and some loss of motor skills) where today many people type on a computer or phone and so those disciples of ed skool didn't think the kids needed cursive. Course in 1989 the national teachers of mathematics pushed unlimited calculator use as far down as elementary since most kids could get a calculator. Imagine the inability to estimate without a calculator and many other things to lose brain cells. There have been a LOT of retreads in education that thought that things would work this time if only they had the right people for the lab rats (students). That too is a philosphy in some politics as written by Thomas Sowell in his "Conflict of Vision" book...that is outstanding!
Right (parents), it's always the TEACHERS (parents) and not what the parents are doing (or not doing).
Not to mention the ELECTED school boards (right) that set the curriculums.
So much easier to mindlessly blame teachers for all our social ills.
The bastards.
You are quite off base. I said teachers are not aware of educational issues other than their own class and the state requirement. Few have researched it and know anything other than what Ed skool or the building principal...same for most supts tell them. In my family and extended family I can quickly count 8 people from teacher to AD to principal to board member. Nobody is saying the problems are just teachers.
The topic was about homeschooling. My daughter is doing it by herself right now. The public schools around Frederick , MD were not very good. The schools they are interested in are around 18k/year. Within the homeschooling topic, I mentioned Saxon and Singapore math as well as cursive writing links and the 1989 NCTM. Most elementary teachers are usually pretty weak on math with many eliminated from their first field of study interest due to math. I don't know how you got things confused with anything I wrote that said teachers were "the" blame.
Perhaps you would like to clarify your thoughts on what I said and have a do over?
Do you have a source for the bolded statement you made? I don't have any idea, but that seems like a pretty broad statement to make. Interested to see where you got that.
I appreciate TJ-D posting this, show the jerk up. Good for him. Even if a fan thinks crap like this (which many of us do from time to time) why in the H*LL would you put in writing???
I'm sure it was some survey of some source, but that was decades ago. Brings up a problem with the net in that popularity goes to the front and obscure or less hits goes to the back. Bonnie Grossen used to have a pretty thorough link with background and graphs on Project Follow Through years ago. I think you can still find some of her previous info on the web. Years ago through Brad Jewell (Mr Hoops) he set me up with a web site called Indiana On-Line Education ??? We are talking around 30 years ago and so things get a bit fuzzy on teh specific name. I was always having to update links and such and some would just get dropped and not keeping it current it was dropped and the domain sold I believe.
I will say anecdotally, I've never met an elementary teacher very good in math. It is essentially why I liked Saxon and Singapore Math. It guides teachers to a more productive way of teaching math. High school teachers "generally" don't like it because it removes their freedom to do as they want...and if not through the whole school it reversed Geometry and Algebra 2 from a typical progression which was fine, but handicapped some schools in those courses in math competition when the other school had more mature minds in the same math.
I do know a school that used Saxon all the way through and dominated the competition except for Alg 1 which my X taught for a different school.
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My general interest in teaching math is why John Stone E Tenn State asked me for two years to represent parents in attending the mathematically correct/NCTM Forum in D.C. that Lynne Cheney held right after 911. I was just to be in attendance and absorb
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