IU fans must be threatened by Brohm

[Bullwhip Griffith]

One of them went through the task of "proving the IU class" is superior to the Purdue class.

He does have some good points, but does ignore that the coaches at Purdue both have a system that they know works and have been recruit to it.

Does gloss over Purdue getting one recruit IU offered (because he's not from Indiana).

Boiler1987 and BigTime (of Viral video fame) are just toying with them

 

[TC4THREE]

I think they see the writing on the wall. Their program has peaked and they replaced the most successful coach they've had since Mallory with a guy that was a mediocre head high school coach in his only previous head coaching experience.

 

[32zone]

One of them went through the task of "proving the IU class" is superior to the Purdue class.

He does have some good points, but does ignore that the coaches at Purdue both have a system that they know works and have been recruit to it.

Does gloss over Purdue getting one recruit IU offered (because he's not from Indiana).

Boiler1987 and BigTime (of Viral video fame) are just toying with them

What's the viral video?

 

[nat100]

What's the viral video?

Ever see piggy poo balls? That was his pig

 

[boilerpt]

The fact that that thread exists, with the detail that it has, makes it pretty clear that Brohm has them thinking. Frankly, I care about how Allen is recruiting about as much as I do how much they all L.E.O. They have had some NFL talent, favorable schedules, and record-setting offensive numbers the past few seasons with relatively nothing to show for it. I don't think Allen is going to turn them into the defensive juggernaut that they are anticipating, but I do expect the offense to take a step back. We'll see where each program is in a few years.

 

[gbmhoosier]

One of them went through the task of "proving the IU class" is superior to the Purdue class.

He does have some good points, but does ignore that the coaches at Purdue both have a system that they know works and have been recruit to it.

Does gloss over Purdue getting one recruit IU offered (because he's not from Indiana).

Boiler1987 and BigTime (of Viral video fame) are just toying with them

BG, I am a follower of this board because I like B1G football and Noticed your post. You say that I glossed over one recruit that chose Purdue over iU. I also did not mention the two out of state recruits that chose IU over Purdue in Miles Marshall and Gavin McCabe. The analysis is fairly neutral. My conclusion at this point is that IU has a much better class. That certainly could change before signing day.

 

[gbmhoosier]

The fact that that thread exists, with the detail that it has, makes it pretty clear that Brohm has them thinking. Frankly, I care about how Allen is recruiting about as much as I do how much they all L.E.O. They have had some NFL talent, favorable schedules, and record-setting offensive numbers the past few seasons with relatively nothing to show for it. I don't think Allen is going to turn them into the defensive juggernaut that they are anticipating, but I do expect the offense to take a step back. We'll see where each program is in a few years.

What can I say, I love statistical analysis and football. There have been a couple threads and an article written about in state recruiting battles between IU and Purdue. That is what prompted me to do the analysis.

 

[ghbucs]

Brohm will own this series as long as he's at Purdue. Own!!!! He may never lose to them as soon as this year. This is the one year IU better get him. Bookit!!

 

[FirstDownB]

I think it's pointless to compare classes at this point. But if the classes are even comparable with one program coming off some of its best years in recent history and the other program coming off its worst stretch ever, I think that tells you who the better recruiter likely is.

 

[gbmhoosier]

I think it's pointless to compare classes at this point. But if the classes are even comparable with one program coming off some of its best years in recent history and the other program coming off its worst stretch ever, I think that tells you who the better recruiter likely is.

With two first year coaches I am not sure it tells you much of anything from that perspective. In 3-4 years neither coach may be at their current position.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

I've always said on this board that IU and Purdue can't both be good at FB at the same time. One has to thrive at the expense of the other. There's no question Wilson>>Hazell. We will see about the new regime but I feel very strongly Brohm>>Allen. We shall see soon enough. Comparing the first classes of a completely new staff versus a promoted assistant is stupid and reeks of little brother syndrome.

 

[gbmhoosier]

I've always said on this board that IU and Purdue can't both be good at FB at the same time. One has to thrive at the expense of the other. There's no question Wilson>>Hazell. We will see about the new regime but I feel very strongly Brohm>>Allen. We shall see soon enough. Comparing the first classes of a completely new staff versus a promoted assistant is stupid and reeks of little brother syndrome.

I always wanted a big brother.

 

[tigerchump]

I think you can look at recruits and see what you want,as a fan.Wouldnt that be neat if both Brohm and Allen were successful?I don't think a Bucket game has been played with both teams in the Top 20,since 1967.Purdue was ranked going into the rivalry game in 1979 ,but I don't know if IU was.

 

[IUHDog]

I'd love to see a time when the top recruits in Indiana want to stay in-state and play for either Purdue (37%) or IU (63%) instead of Meatchicken or the State University of Ohio. It would be a sign of great things about football in Indiana.

 

[StickPurdue]

Hazel ignored Indiana and couldn't recruit well when he did try. He was the best thing that ever happened to IU football. They were able to get players that normally Purdue would take, and still couldn't break .500. CJB has a long way to go and the IU roster is likely still better than Purdue due to the sad state it was left in. CJB got some pledges from some very good local players and is still working on a few others. CJB is a great offensive minded coach and his DC is excellent. As he proves himself, things will get worse for Allen and IU. This may be the last year IU is the favorite over Purdue for a long time.

If CJB has early success they need to lock him into a long term contract or he will get poached away.

 

[boilermaker75]

Hazel ignored Indiana and couldn't recruit well when he did try. He was the best thing that ever happened to IU football. They were able to get players that normally Purdue would take, and still couldn't break .500. CJB has a long way to go and the IU roster is likely still better than Purdue due to the sad state it was left in. CJB got some pledges from some very good local players and is still working on a few others. CJB is a great offensive minded coach and his DC is excellent. As he proves himself, things will get worse for Allen and IU. This may be the last year IU is the favorite over Purdue for a long time.

If CJB has early success they need to lock him into a long term contract or he will get poached away.

By the time of the Bucket game, I don't think IU will be favored.

 

[StickPurdue]

By the time of the Bucket game, I don't think IU will be favored.

I agree. If CJB can do what we all hope and Allen does what we all expect, Purdue could end up being the favorite.

 

[32zone]

Ever see piggy poo balls? That was his pig

No idea what you're referring to.

 

[SIBoiler2]

Thanks to Dope and Dazzell IU has had a brief period of relative sunshine. Looks like it's over and time to go back to the days of more tailgaters than butts in the seats in Gloomington.

 

[TC4THREE]

Thanks to Dope and Dazzell IU has had a brief period of relative sunshine. Looks like it's over and time to go back to the days of more tailgaters than butts in the seats in Gloomington.

I think your anger is misguided. Hope took 3 of 4 from IU and won the last 2 Bucket Games he coached. You can blame Hazell but also blame Morgan Burke. He's the one who decided Hope wasn't good enough so instead he went out and hired one of the worst coaches in Big Ten history to replace a coach that was at least beating IU and getting us to bowl games in spite of not getting an appropriate level of support from Burke. I think it's very unfair to Hope to lump him in with Hazell.

 

[nat100]

I think your anger is misguided. Hope took 3 of 4 from IU and won the last 2 Bucket Games he coached. You can blame Hazell but also blame Morgan Burke. He's the one who decided Hope wasn't good enough so instead he went out and hired one of the worst coaches in Big Ten history to replace a coach that was at least beating IU and getting us to bowl games in spite of not getting an appropriate level of support from Burke. I think it's very unfair to Hope to lump him in with Hazell.

Hope didnt recruit well in Indiana. He all but abandoned it early on.

 

[IUHDog]

If I had a vote it would have been for Hazell as B10-COY for four straight years. Think IU will win the next two bucket games but after that, a P will reappear on the chain.

 

[TC4THREE]

Hope didnt recruit well in Indiana. He all but abandoned it early on.

And that doesn't make anything I said untrue. He still beat IU 3 of 4 times and made bowl games his last two years while Burke wouldn't fully support him. Who knows what Hope might have done if he had been given adequate resources for hiring staff? Maybe we'd have hired better assistants with in-state ties to recruiting. But Burke chose to not support Hope and as a result we were scraping by on bottom-of-the-barrell assistant coaches and Hope had to get by mostly on Florida recruits because that's what he knew.

We don't have to pretend that Hope was the best coach in Purdue history but I think it's untruthful and disrespectful to lump him in with Hazell.

 

[nat100]

And that doesn't make anything I said untrue. He still beat IU 3 of 4 times and made bowl games his last two years while Burke wouldn't fully support him. Who knows what Hope might have done if he had been given adequate resources for hiring staff? Maybe we'd have hired better assistants with in-state ties to recruiting. But Burke chose to not support Hope and as a result we were scraping by on bottom-of-the-barrell assistant coaches and Hope had to get by mostly on Florida recruits because that's what he knew.

We don't have to pretend that Hope was the best coach in Purdue history but I think it's untruthful and disrespectful to lump him in with Hazell.

Agree with your last statement, but i believe the thread ws about recruiting indiana, which Hope was not particularly good at.

He got screwed by Cordova/Burke going cheap at the wrong time. But he did himself no favors with OL recruiting and with how he handled the press.

 

[TC4THREE]

If I had a vote it would have been for Hazell as B10-COY for four straight years. Think IU will win the next two bucket games but after that, a P will reappear on the chain.

Even with Hazell, Purdue nearly won in Bloomington last year. We upgraded our coach and you downgraded. I'd be surprised if you got both of the next two.

 

[TC4THREE]

Agree with your last statement, but i believe the thread ws about recruiting indiana, which Hope was not particularly good at.

He got screwed by Cordova/Burke going cheap at the wrong time. But he did himself no favors with OL recruiting and with how he handled the press.

I thought it was merely about IU's meteoric rise to bowl eligibility the past couple years coinciding with our demise under Hazell. Recruiting is a part of that but not the only part of that. Hope didn't recruit Indiana that well but he still beat IU with the players he got.

 

[IUHDog]

Even with Hazell, Purdue nearly won in Bloomington last year. We upgraded our coach and you downgraded. I'd be surprised if you got both of the next two.

I agree you upgraded and in a large way, but I don't think IU downgraded at all. Wilson was great in many ways, but he really did not relate to the players very well at all, and his in-game coaching skills were suspect at times.

We'll see.....time will tell.

 

[Indy_Rider]

I think your anger is misguided. Hope took 3 of 4 from IU and won the last 2 Bucket Games he coached. You can blame Hazell but also blame Morgan Burke. He's the one who decided Hope wasn't good enough so instead he went out and hired one of the worst coaches in Big Ten history to replace a coach that was at least beating IU and getting us to bowl games in spite of not getting an appropriate level of support from Burke. I think it's very unfair to Hope to lump him in with Hazell.

Just because Hazell was all time bad, doesn't mean Hope was good and should've been kept around. Though I will give him a slight benefit in the fact he didn't have the funding and sounds like he did try to improve it, his recruiting wasn't good. All he wanted were speed guys from Florida, he completely ignored the trenches and just figured he could take athletes and plug them in where ever he wanted. So we were playing with lots of tiny guys.

 

[TC4THREE]

Just because Hazell was all time bad, doesn't mean Hope was good and should've been kept around. Though I will give him a slight benefit in the fact he didn't have the funding and sounds like he did try to improve it, his recruiting wasn't good. All he wanted were speed guys from Florida, he completely ignored the trenches and just figured he could take athletes and plug them in where ever he wanted. So we were playing with lots of tiny guys.

Would have had no issue with replacing Hope if we hadn't replaced him with someone so bad. Hazell made me look back fondly on the Hope era.

If Burke wasn't going to throw the full weight of the AD behind Hope, he never should've hired him. Furthermore, he never should've replaced him coming off back-to-back bowl games...not to mention Bucket wins. Finally, if you do replace a coach coming off back-to-back bowl games at a program like Purdue's after you handicapped him, you best not replace him with one of the worst coaches in conference history. So in my estimation the series of mistakes went like this:

1. Hired Hope but clearly didn't believe he was the right man for the job.

2. Didn't fully support Hope.

3. Fired Hope coming off of 2 bowl games.

4. Replaced him with not just someone worse, someone MUCH worse and gave that someone resources they didn't hand to the previous coach.

You can bash Hope all you want. He wasn't perfect but the results tell us that he was about on average with program expectations at Purdue and he did that with one hand tied behind his back. He by no means deserves to mentioned in the same breath as Hazell who was among the worst coaches ever not just at Purdue but in the Big Ten.

 

[Dennis H.]

I don't think they are afraid of him, the ones I know are cocky and confident. They don't see any risk in their coaching change and don't think Brohm can turn it around. Will be interesting....

 

[32zone]

I don't think they are afraid of him, the ones I know are cocky and confident. They don't see any risk in their coaching change and don't think Brohm can turn it around. Will be interesting....

I can honestly say I've never met a cocky and confident IU football fan. They know their lane and they stay in it. The ones that feel the need to be cocky and confident switch over to being ND fans.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Just because Hazell was all time bad, doesn't mean Hope was good and should've been kept around. Though I will give him a slight benefit in the fact he didn't have the funding and sounds like he did try to improve it, his recruiting wasn't good. All he wanted were speed guys from Florida, he completely ignored the trenches and just figured he could take athletes and plug them in where ever he wanted. So we were playing with lots of tiny guys.

Honestly the more I reflect on Hope, the more I see his approach may have simply been in desperation. With the obvious lack of support from those above him and the obvious lack of financials, Hope probably attempted to try a totally different approach in an attempt to force the hands of the BOT, Burke, and Cordova into supporting him. Imagine if his recruiting efforts were more fruitful down south and he was able to pull off some 8-9 win seasons...he probably would have been see as a coach to head to a mid-level SEC program and gotten a ton more money.

In all honesty, with the information I know about Purdue's total lack of support in all facets at the time of Hope's tenure...I don't hold anything against Hope. As he and his wife alluded after his last bucket win...we as fans would find out he woeful ineptitude of those above him. And as many on here have said, I am surprised he was remotely successful at all.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

One of them went through the task of "proving the IU class" is superior to the Purdue class.

He does have some good points, but does ignore that the coaches at Purdue both have a system that they know works and have been recruit to it.

Does gloss over Purdue getting one recruit IU offered (because he's not from Indiana).

Boiler1987 and BigTime (of Viral video fame) are just toying with them

Neither IU nor PU have a recruiting class to bank a future of success on.

 

[IUHDog]

I don't think they are afraid of him, the ones I know are cocky and confident. They don't see any risk in their coaching change and don't think Brohm can turn it around. Will be interesting....

Any time there is a coaching change there is risk. And any knowledgeable IU Football fan will recognize that Brohm has a very good shot at turning Purdue around. Of course, there really isn't much more room to go the other way.

 

[purdue91]

LOL,
The best team in IU in 25 yrs couldn't win more than 6 games and only 3 B10 vs two teams which sucked and only one that won 6 games. If it wasn't for the worst coach in PU history they would even have that which they had to work at to win. End of the day not scared of IU or their high school coach.

 

[IUHDog]

LOL,
The best team in IU in 25 yrs couldn't win more than 6 games and only 3 B10 vs two teams which sucked and only one that won 6 games. If it wasn't for the worst coach in PU history they would even have that which they had to work at to win. End of the day not scared of IU or their high school coach.

Technically, he is now a P5 Head Coach and a former High School coach, but then you knew that didn't you?

 

[StickPurdue]

Technically, he is now a P5 Head Coach and a former High School coach, but then you knew that didn't you?

I do enjoy how you said technically as if IU doesn't really count as a P5 football school. I can agree with that. Once Purdue takes back Indiana, IU football is going back to the scrap heap.

 

[BoilerBiker]

doubt this helps IUs future recruiting efforts

one of indianas top football recruits is ineligible and its all indianas fault...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ts-all-indianas-fault/?utm_term=.2b85dbdd03c8

 

[SoCalFan]

One of them went through the task of "proving the IU class" is superior to the Purdue class.

He does have some good points, but does ignore that the coaches at Purdue both have a system that they know works and have been recruit to it.

Does gloss over Purdue getting one recruit IU offered (because he's not from Indiana).

Boiler1987 and BigTime (of Viral video fame) are just toying with them

IU grad here, but my son is on the USC Trojans football team. Two of our recent coaching hires (Tyson Helton and Calloway) came to USC from WKU. Jeff Brohm is a heck of a coach. You guys made a great hire IMO...actually better than what IU did.

 

[boiler1987]

IU grad here, but my son is on the USC Trojans football team. Two of our recent coaching hires (Tyson Helton and Calloway) came to USC from WKU. Jeff Brohm is a heck of a coach. You guys made a great hire IMO...actually better than what IU did.

Thanks for the info! What do you think about Brohm versus Allen?