You really can't compare them at this point. Brohm is a proven head coach with a great offensive background. Coach Allen is a first time head coach with an excellent defensive pedigree. I hope both are successful, but at this point, I would say Brohm has the advantage due to his experience, but no one can say with certainty how it will turn out.
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You really can't compare them at this point. Brohm is a proven head coach with a great offensive background. Coach Allen is a first time head coach with an excellent defensive pedigree. I hope both are successful, but at this point, I would say Brohm has the advantage due to his experience, but no one can say with certainty how it will turn out.
What are your thoughts on DC Nick Holt, former DC at USC under Pete Carroll? I think Coach Holt is excellent.
No, I think we both know how this is going to turn out. Brohm is going to resurrect Purdue quickly and IU is going to get worse. The BIG East will solve Allen's defense and the offense under DeBord will not be as good as Wilson's. Add to that the fact that Kevin Wilson, IU's most successful HC since Mallory, only went 12-37 in BIG play and you quickly see how this is going to go.
Allen has no college HC experience per se, while Brohm went 30-10, won 3 bowl games, and two straight conference championships, while leading the nation in scoring overall the last three seasons at 44.7 ppg.
Sorry Hoosier, but facts are facts. I think you know in your heart-of-hearts that I'm right. IU hasn't had a winning season since 2007 and hasn't won a bowl game since 1991! IU last played in the Rose Bowl in the 1967 season. Historically, IU is among the worst programs in NCAA football, and panicking after the Wilson fiasco like Fred Glass did is not going to help the situation. He did when he fired Wilson. He could have hired any number of experienced coaches, including 'Lil PJ Fleck or Willie Taggart. Instead he hired a guy whose only real HC experience is as a HS coach.
There are mixed opinions on Coach Holt from what I have been told. My son is a senior this year and we never had any interaction with Coach Holt. Regardless of what I have heard, I think this is a good hire for Purdue. Holt has a solid background and Brohm obviously knows and trusts him.
Since you said this, what kind of mixed emotions? When he was at USC, they had a dominant defense. Holt and Brohm work well together and they respect each other greatly.
Very sad situation for e student-athlete considering neither he nor the football program did anything wrong. It is IU's fault for certain though and totally unacceptable for the athletic department to make a mistake like this one.
Just hope the young man stays around for next year.
I have been complimentary towards Coach Brohm. I have heard firsthand from the current USC coaches that he is a excellent coach. I think Purdue made an excellent hire and he is even more qualified than Coach Allen is for IU. It doesn't mean he will win more, but at this stage, he has a better bio. I don't think that is really debatable.
As for Coach Holt, I didn't say mixed "emotions", I said "mixed opinions". Many USC and UW fans feel that he isn't an aggressive DC...that he allows the offense to take it to his defense. He was fired at UW for a horrific defense the last 6-7 games of his final year there. Go look it up.
Some DC's like "bend and don't break". Others, like the current USC DC, like to attack on every play knowing that they will give up the occasional big play. Neither is right or wrong...just different. Having said that, the fans generally hate when teams are able to march on the defense - even if the offense doesn't score.
Since you have SD in your handle, I am guessing that you might live in Southern California. If you do and follow college football, you should know that Coach Holt was "tight" with Coach Sarkisian and that they frequently hung out together. I will let you figure the out the rest.
So you're implying Holt is a raging alcoholic?
At Purdue, Holt says he wants to make the defense attack with regularity. Not saying you're wrong, but in his association with Brohm the facts don't line up with what you've heard.
Here's one thing I will admit about Purdue - David Blough is as impressive off the field as on it. Just finished watching his interview by the B10 Network traveling crew and I enjoyed listening to him tremendously. He's well spoken, thoughtful, polite, and he says all the right things without sounding like he is trying to. Cannot help but wish success for him.....except in the bucket game of course.
Peaked? Really? I actually think both programs are on the rise, which is the way it should. The Rivalry isn't much fun when one program constantly dominates the other one. I'd like to see both teams really good and make that last conference game of the season an epic battle to see who goes to the Rose bowl, instead of just trying to make a bowl!
No, Purdue is on the rise, and IU is headed back where they belong - among the worst teams in the BIG and the nation. IU had a string of "success", where Wilson went 12-37 in BIG play. No bowl wins since 1991 and no winning seasons since 2007.
Wilson being run out of Bloomington signals the end of a run (by IU's standards), where they had a good offense and were competitive, but didn't really break through. Allen is not as good of a head coach as Wilson (he has no experience to speak of as a college HC), and IU can't win with a defensive mentality. They don't have enough top players. They have holes on the DL. IU's offense will be worse under DeBord than under Wilson.
At least there is a consistent theme to your posts...even if it does sound like a broken record. We'll catch you halfway through the season to check your temperature.
You do have to admit, just like Purdue's tendency to follow up about 10 years of solid play with a horrific coaching hire that leads to terrible stretches...followed then by some type of miraculous hire to get back to respectability for somewhat extended times...IU has a history of very brief and moderate success only to fire/let go of that coach and fall quickly back down to the depths of the P5. Hard to break history and that is what appears (on the surface) to have happened once again for both programs.
How much head coaching experience did Wilson have when he was hired? Everyone here was happy when he was hired because IU didn't get a proven winning coach and would continue to be at the bottom of the heap of college football. However, Wilson advanced the IU program and won the bucket 4 years in a row. Now we are hearing the same predictions for COach Allen. We shall see come bucket time if your prediction is correct.
What I want for each program is irrelevant. It is what it is. I could tell you IU is going to remain competitive with Allen as coach but I don't see it happening. They might be ok in year 1 but I see a steady decline as long as he is their head coach.
I don't remember much of anyone predicting anything when Wilson was hired but it's not uncommon for successful coordinators from top-flight programs to get head coaching gigs. High school coaches who had questionable success at that level? That's a bit different.
Oh,yes,I remember him well.There wasn't as much sports coverage in those days,but He was so hyped before He coached a game for ND that you wouldn't have thought the Fighting Rocknes could possibly lose a game.He gets my vote for the most overated Coach ever in the state of Indiana,and Rudy is hands down the most overated movie.
Congrats, IU won 4 in-a-row against the historically worst Purdue FB coach. That's going to change this year (at home) and for awhile.
You guys hired basically a HS coach as your HC after Glass panicked. He was getting heat about Wilson's off field treatment of players and had to can him.
History is not IU FB's friend at all. IU has a bad habit of firing their most successful coaches and following them up with bad coaches. Please show me how I'm wrong in this statement.
There is nothing in Allen's resume, coaching background, demeanor, etc., that leads any reasonable person to believe IU will be better under him than IU was under Wilson. NOTHING.
If Allen can keep IU at the level Wilson got IU to, which I doubt, Brohm is going to own IU.
"Allen is not as good of a head coach as Wilson (he has no experience to speak of as a college HC)"
Do you understand words? He's not as good of a head coach, but he's also never been a head coach. Think about that for minute or month. You'll get there, maybe.
I think the new coach prediction pissing matches are hilarious and stupid, and statements like that one perfectly exemplify why.
Do you understand words? He's not as good of a head coach, but he's also never been a head coach. Think about that for minute or month. You'll get there, maybe.
I think the new coach prediction pissing matches are hilarious and stupid, and statements like that one perfectly exemplify why.
Listen Loosier, I know this is hard for you to comprehend, but you made my point for me. (I know IU isn't known as a strong analytical school in any way, shape, or form, so I somewhat excuse your ignorance.)
You guys hired a glorified HS coach to be the coach of your historically-bad BIG program. Please cite one piece of evidence to bolster your weak argument that Allen will succeed at IU. There is none. IU's defense improved under him last year, but IU's offense will not be as good as it was under Wilson. Bank on it. IU can't win playing defensive football and having an average offensive team. Under DeBord IU will go back to be average, at best, on offense. IU's defense will get solved as it's seen more on tape.
No one in their right mind thinks that Allen will do better than Wilson - a coach who made IU somewhat competitive for a few years, but still only went 12-37 in league play. IU plays in the BIG East, the tougher of the two divisions right now with OSU, PSU, Michigan, a humbled, hungry MSU, a rising Maryland, and Rutgers. Rutgers has better athletes than IU, but the coach is struggling to find his footing in Piscataway.
You're really bad at comprehension and at words. Please direct me to any part of my statement that predicts anything about Allen and his success at IU. You can't because I didn't. I'm really intrigued to learn about the argument that I did not make that you think that I made.
I simply accurately pointed out that it is preposterous for you to state that Wilson is a better HC than Allen when you don't have any college HC resume for Allen to base that opinion. We know zero about Allen's effectiveness as a HC as it relates to wins and losses because we don't have that data yet at the college level. It's certainly fair to suggest that you believe he will be weaker based off of his prior resume as a DC and position coach. It's fair for you to see the world through gold colored glasses and make all sorts of predictions, guesses, and bets on a meaningless message board. That's all fine and in good fun. But, it's also fair for others to call you out on statements of fact that are...not actually factual.
Come back here after his upcoming losing season, including a loss at Purdue.
Again, you seemingly can provide no evidence that explains why you think he will do better than Wilson did at IU. I have given you plenty of reasons why I think he will not do as well as Wilson at IU.
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