It is Brohm

[lbodel]

WKU and WMU are both similar sized schools, in similar type leagues...Fleck had nothing on Brohm from a viewpoint of where they are coaching. Both are impressive coaches, but we got who we wanted, and I for one am real happy!

I never once touted hiring Fleck. I think Fleck did a good job marketing his program - something Hazell never did. I do think he was a bit over the top/corny, but driving interest at schools like Western Michigan, Western Kentucky, etc. is no easy feat.

I think my biggest concern is that the Big Ten is simply no MAC, Conference USA, etc. The competition is nothing like it.

That's why I mentioned Maryland's hire - he wasn't this super hyped guy, but he coached at Michigan under Harbaugh - and if there's one thing you can give Harbaugh is he knows how to freaking run an elite program (whether he's crazy or not, that's another question).

I'm also concerned that our salary we're paying the HC (over $1+ million more than Hazell) will limit our assistant coach hiring, which has been a sore spot at Purdue as well. Again, going back to Maryland - Durkin put together a pretty damn impressive staff. I'm afraid what we've seen so far is that we'll be underwhelmed with the staff as a whole. Durkin was hired from Michigan to Maryland for $2.5 million/year - about a million less per year than what we're paying now. As a football coach, you're more so a manager than a coach - I'd rather pour some more money into high quality assistants and have a less-flashy coach.

 

[StateStreet123]

I'm also concerned that our salary we're paying the HC (over $1+ million more than Hazell) will limit our assistant coach hiring, which has been a sore spot at Purdue as well.

It has been reported that Purdue has given Brohm a $3.5mm budget for assistants. A full $1.0mm increase, or 40%, from last year! I believe I also read that would put us in 3rd place in the entire B!G for assistant pay - based on 2015 pay rates.

I also read that Oregon just approved assistant pay budget of between 3.6-4.0mm.

At appears purdue has taken a GIANT step in financial commitment. Not sure if you are just trying to find reasons to complain, or have heard/read other information?

 

[Dakota Girl]

I never once touted hiring Fleck. I think Fleck did a good job marketing his program - something Hazell never did. I do think he was a bit over the top/corny, but driving interest at schools like Western Michigan, Western Kentucky, etc. is no easy feat.

I think my biggest concern is that the Big Ten is simply no MAC, Conference USA, etc. The competition is nothing like it.

That's why I mentioned Maryland's hire - he wasn't this super hyped guy, but he coached at Michigan under Harbaugh - and if there's one thing you can give Harbaugh is he knows how to freaking run an elite program (whether he's crazy or not, that's another question).

I'm also concerned that our salary we're paying the HC (over $1+ million more than Hazell) will limit our assistant coach hiring, which has been a sore spot at Purdue as well. Again, going back to Maryland - Durkin put together a pretty damn impressive staff. I'm afraid what we've seen so far is that we'll be underwhelmed with the staff as a whole. Durkin was hired from Michigan to Maryland for $2.5 million/year - about a million less per year than what we're paying now. As a football coach, you're more so a manager than a coach - I'd rather pour some more money into high quality assistants and have a less-flashy coach.

Not sure it matters where they came from. Hazzel was an assistant at OSU before going to Kent and having great success.
It has worked both ways all over the country, big school assistant, small school head coach. Only things that matter are can he recruit, can he coach, can he excite fans/boosters.

 

[lbodel]

It has been reported that Purdue has given Brohm a $3.5mm budget for assistants. A full $1.0mm increase, or 40%, from last year! I believe I also read that would put us in 3rd place in the entire B!G for assistant pay - based on 2015 pay rates.

I also read that Oregon just approved assistant pay budget of between 3.6-4.0mm.

At appears purdue has taken a GIANT step in financial commitment. Not sure if you are just trying to find reasons to complain, or have heard/read other information?

If you've read any of my posts, I've had consistent concerns for about...8 years. I was not a fan of Hope's hire and subsequent post-hire actions (many on here were), was not a fan of Hazell's hire and subsequent post-hire actions - I am tough to please. But it's pretty clear when things go right. And you don't know that immediately. Which is why I pretty plainly said a lot of how things turn out will be based on assistants. And part of that has to do with your connections in the industry. The hires/supposed hires we've heard about - don't really strike you as major upgrades involved with a $1 million increase in salary pool. But there are still some big pieces to figure out. Maryland fans weren't initially wowed with Durkin's hire - but he put together a pretty solid cast of assistants, as well as made some big strides in recruiting after putting that staff together.

This is all TBD. I'm just pointing out problems we've seen occur in the past. And heaven forbid I be cautious about something that's gone horribly wrong the last 10 years....

 

[TheBoris]

Not sure it matters where they came from. Hazzel was an assistant at OSU before going to Kent and having great success.
It has worked both ways all over the country, big school assistant, small school head coach. Only things that matter are can he recruit, can he coach, can he excite fans/boosters.

Actually the priority is:
1. Can he recruit?
2. Can he recruit?
3. Can he recruit?
If you get the best athletes, it really doesn't matter what kind of offense you run. Ditto defense.

 

[lbodel]

Not sure it matters where they came from. Hazzel was an assistant at OSU before going to Kent and having great success.
It has worked both ways all over the country, big school assistant, small school head coach. Only things that matter are can he recruit, can he coach, can he excite fans/boosters.

There's no such thing as black and white in this industry, of course. However, Hazell and Hope were both clearly in over their head and didn't know how to take a program to the next level in terms of all of those things you mention.

Sometimes you get it, sometimes you don't. It's no different than other jobs - I work with people who just get it, I work with people who don't. They still work for a great firm. Just because you're at Ohio State, doesn't mean you can go win anywhere else. I'm saying we need someone who gets it - that's why the example of Durkin goes beyond just being employed by a school good at football. It goes to his connections in the industry, it goes to his recruiting, it goes to knowing how to set up a program modeled after successful programs. Hazell was at Ohio State - what the hell did he model at Purdue based on that? He didn't bother recruiting Ohio, or quite frankly the midwest. Nothing about how Hazell operated Purdue's program reminded you of anything that Ohio State does. I mean I guess he did do one thing - he didn't bother trying to impress anyone. And you don't have to do that at Ohio State cause the place does a lot of the impressing for you.....

 

[StateStreet123]

This is all TBD. I'm just pointing out problems we've seen occur in the past. And heaven forbid I be cautious about something that's gone horribly wrong the last 10 years....

Yes, I have read your posts from the past 8 years....or most of them anyway. What you state above is 100% accurate. I am HOPEFUL that past performance is not going to predict future results.....since we have a new BOD, AD, Coach, and Financial Committment. But again, you are correct....based on precedent we better wait and see.

My response was simply to your statementt: "I'm also concerned that our salary we're paying the HC (over $1+ million more than Hazell) will limit our assistant coach hiring, which has been a sore spot at Purdue as well."

Again, asst pay has definitely been an issue in the past. But it appears to have been remedied. Have you heard otherwise? Look, Brohm may only spend $1.5mm of it and underwhelm us with assistants...or spend all $3.5mm and still underwhelm us. We will wait and see. But at least he has a chance now. That was never an option under the previous administration. Agree?

 

[lbodel]

Actually the priority is:
1. Can he recruit?
2. Can he recruit?
3. Can he recruit?
If you get the best athletes, it really doesn't matter what kind of offense you run. Ditto defense.

Defense is a big deal. Obviously we can't fix everything all at once - but we've played the "score a lot" game before and beaten crap teams and then can't score a point against anyone good.

And that brings up what has been a major problem at Purdue - we need to recruit freaking legit linemen.

The best year we had with Drew Brees was the worst team we had statistically on offense with Brees. But it was the most experienced line, which we had the 'best' running game (which was still not great) and most importantly - it was also our best defense.

 

[lbodel]

Yes, I have read your posts from the past 8 years....or most of them anyway. What you state above is 100% accurate. I am HOPEFUL that past performance is not going to predict future results.....since we have a new BOD, AD, Coach, and Financial Committment. But again, you are correct....based on precedent we better wait and see.

My response was simply to your statementt: "I'm also concerned that our salary we're paying the HC (over $1+ million more than Hazell) will limit our assistant coach hiring, which has been a sore spot at Purdue as well."

Again, asst pay has definitely been an issue in the past. But it appears to have been remedied. Have you heard otherwise? Look, Brohm may only spend $1.5mm of it and underwhelm us with assistants...or spend all $3.5mm and still underwhelm us. We will wait and see. But at least he has a chance now. That was never an option under the previous administration. Agree?

I agree - but we've kinda seen it play out before as we both agree. After Hope, we significantly raised the money we were putting into the program when we hired Hazell.

And you can throw all the money at something, but if it's not quality then it's meaningless. We've gone from paying $1.5 million for a head coach to $2.5 million to now $3.5 million. When Durkin was hired at Maryland for a million less. I hope it works out, but this is a significant amount of money we're placing in a basket without results. I don't like going on the cheap, but I think the starting salary is a bit high. But it's not an easy task when it comes to hiring coaches, so we'll see.

 

[Dakota Girl]

Actually the priority is:
1. Can he recruit?
2. Can he recruit?
3. Can he recruit?
If you get the best athletes, it really doesn't matter what kind of offense you run. Ditto defense.

True! If you get the best players you can run whatever you want. By contrast a high well I don't necessarily mean scheme. Teaching ability and leadership are more to the point. I like what I see so far.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

If you've read any of my posts, I've had consistent concerns for about...8 years. I was not a fan of Hope's hire and subsequent post-hire actions (many on here were), was not a fan of Hazell's hire and subsequent post-hire actions - I am tough to please. But it's pretty clear when things go right. And you don't know that immediately. Which is why I pretty plainly said a lot of how things turn out will be based on assistants. And part of that has to do with your connections in the industry. The hires/supposed hires we've heard about - don't really strike you as major upgrades involved with a $1 million increase in salary pool. But there are still some big pieces to figure out. Maryland fans weren't initially wowed with Durkin's hire - but he put together a pretty solid cast of assistants, as well as made some big strides in recruiting after putting that staff together.

This is all TBD. I'm just pointing out problems we've seen occur in the past. And heaven forbid I be cautious about something that's gone horribly wrong the last 10 years....

You and I were the lone voices from the wilderness regarding Hazell.

 

[Redhotfill]

You and I were the lone voices from the wilderness regarding Hazell.

No, not everyone was drinking the purple cool-aid.

 

[BoilerGrad02]

Actually the priority is:
1. Can he recruit?
2. Can he recruit?
3. Can he recruit?
If you get the best athletes, it really doesn't matter what kind of offense you run. Ditto defense.

Bull. Shit.

Just look at all of Ron Zook's Illinois years and you'll realize this statement isn't true.

It's coaching and recruiting that brings sustained success. though I will agree recruiting is more important on the defensive side of the ball.

 

[boiler800]

I never once touted hiring Fleck. I think Fleck did a good job marketing his program - something Hazell never did. I do think he was a bit over the top/corny, but driving interest at schools like Western Michigan, Western Kentucky, etc. is no easy feat.

I think my biggest concern is that the Big Ten is simply no MAC, Conference USA, etc. The competition is nothing like it.

That's why I mentioned Maryland's hire - he wasn't this super hyped guy, but he coached at Michigan under Harbaugh - and if there's one thing you can give Harbaugh is he knows how to freaking run an elite program (whether he's crazy or not, that's another question).

I'm also concerned that our salary we're paying the HC (over $1+ million more than Hazell) will limit our assistant coach hiring, which has been a sore spot at Purdue as well. Again, going back to Maryland - Durkin put together a pretty damn impressive staff. I'm afraid what we've seen so far is that we'll be underwhelmed with the staff as a whole. Durkin was hired from Michigan to Maryland for $2.5 million/year - about a million less per year than what we're paying now. As a football coach, you're more so a manager than a coach - I'd rather pour some more money into high quality assistants and have a less-flashy coach.

Jeff Brohm coached under Bobby Petrino at Louisville and WKU and he's(Petrino) no slouch. Brohm also coached QB's under Zook at Illinois so he is not a complete rookie in th B1G. We will now be #3 in salaries for assistants, so I would rather have a flashy Coach like Brohm, and high quality assistants. The crowds will be back soon. Our new offense will bring back the faithful.

 

[lbodel]

Jeff Brohm coached under Bobby Petrino at Louisville and WKU and he's(Petrino) no slouch. Brohm also coached QB's under Zook at Illinois so he is not a complete rookie in th B1G. We will now be #3 in salaries for assistants, so I would rather have a flashy Coach like Brohm, and high quality assistants. The crowds will be back soon. Our new offense will bring back the faithful.

Your last sentence is a complete falsehood. Our crowds started dwindling under Tiller while we had top offenses in the Big Ten. What didn't happen was we weren't competitive. We won and racked up yards against crappy teams and then went on a multi-year drought of beating a top-25 team. We couldn't compete against any good team.

Having a flashy offense means nothing if it only works against bad teams.

The crowds will come back when we COMPETE. Doesn't matter if it's because of good offense or good defense. People want to watch a team that is competitive.

 

[rezzerfly]

I'd gladly take the crowds we had at the end of Tiller, start of Hope compared to recent attendance! yeesh

 

[boiler800]

Your last sentence is a complete falsehood. Our crowds started dwindling under Tiller while we had top offenses in the Big Ten. What didn't happen was we weren't competitive. We won and racked up yards against crappy teams and then went on a multi-year drought of beating a top-25 team. We couldn't compete against any good team.

Having a flashy offense means nothing if it only works against bad teams.

The crowds will come back when we COMPETE. Doesn't matter if it's because of good offense or good defense. People want to watch a team that is competitive.

To compare to the end of Tiller would be apples to oranges as this is the beginning of the Brohm era not the end.