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Great players have some bad games over a year’s time
Not really matter of a bad game as much as it’s the reality that really good players sometimes have limitations lowering their ceiling and making them susceptible to different defenses and approaches.

Without a safety valve in Edey, Smiths physical limitations are more explained. He can’t really make himself more athletic or even quicker at this point. He’s done an amazing job developing his ballhandling and shooting. But he’s gonna be neutralized by quick athletic players. And his backcourt running mate can’t take relief off Amith because he has the exact same limitations.
 
Look, I'm not dumping on Smith, but let's be honest, when the game was still in the balance (1st half) he played poorly and didn't score a point. Once the game was out of hand he scored most of his points. We went for about a 5 minute stretch in 1st half without scoring. That is where your AA point guard gets you some buckets. Game was lost in that 1st half.
Agreed. If you're the star then no those stats aren't going to cut it, particularly when most of them came when we were down 20.

He had a wide open shot from the 3 in the first half to close the gap. Stars make that shot. They take over when the team is faltering.

He's very good, but if he wants to show he can do it without a generational freak talent then he's got to do better than last night.

Of course, fairness demands saying that no one played well last night and Loyer probably played one of his worst games in a Purdue uniform.
 
More than apparently you, Northside! Going forward without a center in the Big Ten will not work...
Purdue will takes its lumps in the Big Ten this year...just as well develop a future player than playing Furst or Berg.
 
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What did you see last night that causes you to believe that Trey at the five won’t work?
29 minutes with 2 rebounds and 7 turnovers jumps out to me. Also, he sets shadow screens never helped free up Braden just clogged the lane. Twice Fletch made a good cut to the rim and TKR stood in the lane allowing his man to block Fletch. You cannot run the PNR without the pick. IMO only play Berg and Burgess at the five. Or play 4 guards to spread the floor CJ, Braden, Harris, Loyer and Colvin in whatever combination. Use Heide to spell Colvin. Side note Berg is shooting 91% and averaging 3 rebounds in 11 minutes has committed 5 T/O to TKR's 22. IMO, we don't win anything of note B10 or B10 tourney and at best sweet 16 with the current lineup. We have been exposed!
 
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29 minutes with 2 rebounds and 7 turnovers jumps out to me. Also, he sets shadow screens never helped free up Braden just clogged the lane. Twice Fletch made a good cut to the rim and TKR stood in the lane allowing his man to block Fletch. You cannot run the PNR without the pick. IMO only play Berg and Burgess at the five. Or play 4 guards to spread the floor CJ, Braden, Harris, Loyer and Colvin in whatever combination. Use Heide to spell Colvin. Side note Berg is shooting 91% and averaging 3 rebounds in 11 minutes has committed 5 T/O to TKR's 22. IMO, we don't win anything of note B10 or B10 tourney and at best sweet 16 with the current lineup. We have been exposed!
You really don't think a potential AA player that couldn't/didn't get the offense into any kind of sets was a problem last night? or Fletch who still hasn't developed strong hands or stronger legs cutting in the lane.
 
29 minutes with 2 rebounds and 7 turnovers jumps out to me. Also, he sets shadow screens never helped free up Braden just clogged the lane. Twice Fletch made a good cut to the rim and TKR stood in the lane allowing his man to block Fletch. You cannot run the PNR without the pick. IMO only play Berg and Burgess at the five. Or play 4 guards to spread the floor CJ, Braden, Harris, Loyer and Colvin in whatever combination. Use Heide to spell Colvin. Side note Berg is shooting 91% and averaging 3 rebounds in 11 minutes has committed 5 T/O to TKR's 22. IMO, we don't win anything of note B10 or B10 tourney and at best sweet 16 with the current lineup. We have been exposed!
At least 3 of those turnovers were because the short bald ref is blind.
 
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29 minutes with 2 rebounds and 7 turnovers jumps out to me. Also, he sets shadow screens never helped free up Braden just clogged the lane. Twice Fletch made a good cut to the rim and TKR stood in the lane allowing his man to block Fletch. You cannot run the PNR without the pick. IMO only play Berg and Burgess at the five. Or play 4 guards to spread the floor CJ, Braden, Harris, Loyer and Colvin in whatever combination. Use Heide to spell Colvin. Side note Berg is shooting 91% and averaging 3 rebounds in 11 minutes has committed 5 T/O to TKR's 22. IMO, we don't win anything of note B10 or B10 tourney and at best sweet 16 with the current lineup. We have been exposed!
Not sure that I agree with your conclusion but good post, well stated.
 
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Berg is definitely not the answer.
I have no idea how you can definitively say that Berg is not the answer any more than those who are certain that Trey can't be the solution at the five. I don't mean that as a criticism, I just haven't seen enough to know what the right answer is. I don't think MP and staff are certain as to what the right answer is and they have far more information than any of us.
 
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At least 3 of those turnovers were because the short bald ref is blind.
Agree. Trey's turnovers last night were problematic, but I'm not particularly worried about it going forward. He needs to learn how to better protect the ball when he's getting fouled, which I believe he will.
 
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I have no idea how you can definitively say that Berg is not the answer any more than those who are certain that Trey can't be the solution at the five. I don't mean that as a criticism, I just haven't seen enough to know what the right answer is. I don't think MP and staff are certain as to what the right answer is and they have far more information than any of us.
I think CMP answered that for us.
 
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It was an odd game all the way around. After several possessions resulting in a turnover (first half), finally a good one to get Colvin a really good look in the right corner that he missed. Heide had a drive early in the second half where he missed a lay-in, and then Penn State got a fast break triple. They never were in the flow of the offense......partly from the turnovers, partly from Penn State defense, and I think then the Boilers just got away from structure then.

They did have 9 steals and forced 16 turnovers - not too many times have they lost with that......of course when you turn it over 24 times yourselves - all bets are off.

Reminded me a little of @ Nebraska last year, as far as just being discombobulated most of the night.......maybe it's just one of those nights, maybe it's worse. Don't know how good Penn State really is, but they don't seem like bottom of the league (picked 17th).
Their 5 starters were all on different teams last year.
There is NO prediction for their success based on what team is actually on the floor.
Their bottom of the basement pre-season rank was based on what they lost and had coming back.
NOT on the new team they created since nobody could have ANY expectation of being really good (as they CAN be).
 
It’s not always the plays you make, but the plays you could have made and didn’t.
Yeh, some pretty awful passes that didn't lead directly to a turnover. At least 5 AWFUL passes from Braden last night.
More "bad" passes (jump passing again) trying to do the things that worked last year, that don't this year.
 
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This team needs the opposition to miss shots. But they allow too many good ones. They’ve got to get so so so much better defensively, which everyone knew would be a thing. But it just looks so bad when we have to take the ball out after a made basket or free throw. It’s just Braden being hounded and handing it off 40 feet from the basket, then back to him, and then nothing.

Frustrating to watch us get dog walked twice already. But we have a good coach and good players, so let’s find some answers.
Edey would get the bigs in foul trouble in the first half and make them play carefully so you could take it to the basket easily the bigs are happy he is gone
 
You really don't think a potential AA player that couldn't/didn't get the offense into any kind of sets was a problem last night? or Fletch who still hasn't developed strong hands or stronger legs cutting in the lane.
Loyer is never going to be stronger or more athletic. He is what he is. Painter should have looked to upgrade in the portal.
 
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Loyer is never going to be stronger or more athletic. He is what he is. Painter should have looked to upgrade in the portal.
He's a savvy player at times. Yes, his strength has always been an issue. Especially with very aggressive guards or at times driving the lane,

He's a player of "give-and-take".
 
Yeah he’s super legit - now he knows he has to score first or at least way more. Guy is so good. So fun to watch
Yes, he’s very good. But also needs to be more selfish and look for his shot. He’s our best player and has the ability to take us on a run but if plays like he has at Penn state or Marquette, we won’t get outta the first round.
 
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He's a savvy player at times. Yes, his strength has always been an issue. Especially with very aggressive guards or at times driving the lane,

He's a player of "give-and-take".
He's a good player and a very good 3 pt shooter. but he's pretty one dimensional on offense and really bad on D. He would have be the position where the portal could have provided a bigger, stronger, more athletic guy who an still shoot and score other ways.
 
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He's a good player and a very good 3 pt shooter. but he's pretty one dimensional on offense and really bad on D. He would have be the position where the portal could have provided a bigger, stronger, more athletic guy who a still shoot and score other ways.
How is he really bad on defense?

And who are these guys you speak of in the portal that would line up to play at Purdue with no guaranteed playing time that probably would be featured as the 4th-6th option?
 
How is he really bad on defense?
C'mon man....Everyone knows Loyer is the weak link on D.
And who are these guys you speak of in the portal that would line up to play at Purdue with no guaranteed playing time that probably would be featured as the 4th-6th option?
Why do people think the only way to get a quality transfer is to guarantee playing time?
Do you think Painter guaranteed playing time to Lance Jones?
A quality guy in the transfer portal is going to look at several options when considering where to go. He'll look at who he has to beat out, the system, the players around him, etc. Guys at this level know they have to earn it.
 
C'mon man....Everyone knows Loyer is the weak link on D.

Why do people think the only way to get a quality transfer is to guarantee playing time?
Do you think Painter guaranteed playing time to Lance Jones?
A quality guy in the transfer portal is going to look at several options when considering where to go. He'll look at who he has to beat out, the system, the players around him, etc. Guys at this level know they have to earn it.
Uhhhhh how is he the weak link? Show me. He got crossed by Buie last year and so did everyone else in the country. He knows where to be on helpside and team defense. And he gets steals. Now rebounding against a bigger guy, that’s another issue. He did get screwed on the foul call when boxing Reese out…but that’s just a small example.

And Lance jones was a perfect fit. I’m trying to tell you that guys don’t just transfer to a good team cuz they’re a good team. They want playing time or $$$$. Lance wasn’t the highest transfer in the portal, but was a great culture fit. Look at Payne from Minnesota. He would have had allll the PT this year there, but his priorities were $$$ and he went to TAMU to play 16 min a game and average 6 and 4. Ballo, Rice and Carlyle were all highly ranked transfers, they went to IU for the $$$ and PT. And look how that working out so far.

The way Paint has so far played the portal, is he’s not going to shell out NIL for some highly ranked transfer because he has no idea how good that guy will be in his system. On the topic of his system, it’s been widely known there are tons of sets and schemes that are hard to pick up right away. This is why we usually see players be better in his system
The second year, so usually those 2 year plus guys are goin to get more playing time than a random portal guy because they’ll give Purdue a better chance to win since they know the schemes and sets better. Add that to the transfer probably will be the 4-6th offensive option, it sometimes isn’t an attractive option and takes the right fit for a guy to transfer to Purdue.

I ll stop there. Maybe paint changes his mind next year, but it seems that’s why some of these big time transfers arent coming Here.
 
Uhhhhh how is he the weak link? Show me. He got crossed by Buie last year and so did everyone else in the country. He knows where to be on helpside and team defense. And he gets steals. Now rebounding against a bigger guy, that’s another issue. He did get screwed on the foul call when boxing Reese out…but that’s just a small example.

And Lance jones was a perfect fit. I’m trying to tell you that guys don’t just transfer to a good team cuz they’re a good team. They want playing time or $$$$. Lance wasn’t the highest transfer in the portal, but was a great culture fit. Look at Payne from Minnesota. He would have had allll the PT this year there, but his priorities were $$$ and he went to TAMU to play 16 min a game and average 6 and 4. Ballo, Rice and Carlyle were all highly ranked transfers, they went to IU for the $$$ and PT. And look how that working out so far.

The way Paint has so far played the portal, is he’s not going to shell out NIL for some highly ranked transfer because he has no idea how good that guy will be in his system. On the topic of his system, it’s been widely known there are tons of sets and schemes that are hard to pick up right away. This is why we usually see players be better in his system
The second year, so usually those 2 year plus guys are goin to get more playing time than a random portal guy because they’ll give Purdue a better chance to win since they know the schemes and sets better. Add that to the transfer probably will be the 4-6th offensive option, it sometimes isn’t an attractive option and takes the right fit for a guy to transfer to Purdue.

I ll stop there. Maybe paint changes his mind next year, but it seems that’s why some of these big time transfers arent coming Here.
We'll have to agree to disagree on both Loyers defensive abilities as well as what top players in the portal want. Are guys looking to get paid now, of course. That's why Mason Gillis went to Duke instead of, say....Miami of Ohio.
And you have no idea, none, what type of fit a guy will be until he is here and starts playing. By all objective measures, Jones didn't seem like he'd be a good fit (high volume 3 pt shooter, lead the team in scoring, wants to be 'the man', etc), but he worked out.
So saying so n so won't come here because he's not a fit or Painter won't guarantee playing time is just bloviation on something you have no idea about.
 
We'll have to agree to disagree on both Loyers defensive abilities as well as what top players in the portal want. Are guys looking to get paid now, of course. That's why Mason Gillis went to Duke instead of, say....Miami of Ohio.
And you have no idea, none, what type of fit a guy will be until he is here and starts playing. By all objective measures, Jones didn't seem like he'd be a good fit (high volume 3 pt shooter, lead the team in scoring, wants to be 'the man', etc), but he worked out.
So saying so n so won't come here because he's not a fit or Painter won't guarantee playing time is just bloviation on something you have no idea about.
Do you ever listen to Painters interviews on gold and black, YouTube, X or podcasts? All the info I’m regurgitating is from him. I am not just making it up for fun. It’s literally what he’s said…so I don’t know what else to tell ya.
 
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Do you ever listen to Painters interviews on gold and black, YouTube, X or podcasts? All the info I’m regurgitating is from him. I am not just making it up for fun. It’s literally what he’s said…so I don’t know what else to tell ya.
Painter is one step below a politician when it comes to what he says for public consumption. He's going to say what is politically correct, what's believable, and what won't come back to hurt him.
 
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