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Is the 4th time the charm?

BoilermakerD

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Two questions..

Did you want Appleby pulled?

If yes, and if Blough doesn't look good either, and if you've also ever defended Shoop or gone after Appleby instead, will this finally be enough?

After watching Virginia Tech, I've come to a few conclusions.

Shoop is awful. He's literally as bad as it gets. Like someone aptly pointed out.. he tried to make Henry a passer and Appleby a runner. I can only hope that Blough has convinced him that he's terrible at what he's good at, so that maybe Shoop dials that up.

Appleby probably would need his support to be as good as Orton's was in 03 to look competent to even above average against a team that can put the heat on like that... and we'll always face a few.

Hazell really was delusional enough to think that he could come in here and conduct himself as if he was in Columbus, and win. He's now, apparently, delusional enough to STILL think so.

Joe Tiller, with this exact team, pre secret retirement before his actual retirement, where he pretended to still be interested in coaching Purdue, but was mostly just daydreaming about fishing... with the staff he had, would have beaten Marshall, had the same result v. ISU, and probably lost in a game v. Virginia Tech where Purdue looked much more competent and went down swinging. And we'd be looking at a game where we would beat BGSU by taking the INITIATIVE.

And that's just it. I know it's a struggle going forward in this new world that is college football in 2015. You could almost watch Antonio Brown, know that he went to CMU and right there realize that it's not the same world and hasn't been for a while. Meaning, I don't know that there is this genius out there that will revolutionize Purdue football and bring us back to 2003 and rising.

What I do know is this. Interview five guys.. ask them "how will you win at Purdue? What is your attitude in terms of how risky and aggressive you will have to be to win here?"

If the answer is closer to "you will always have to win swinging and fighting at Purdue. You will never get to sit back and let the game come to you. You will never recruit the players that allow you to do that. Joe Tiller didn't and you never will"

you move on to the rest of the interview...

if it's anything else, give them a set of steak knives and wish them a good day
 
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Two questions..

Did you want Appleby pulled?

If yes, and if Blough doesn't look good either, and if you've also ever defended Shoop or gone after Appleby instead, will this finally be enough?

After watching Virginia Tech, I've come to a few conclusions.

Shoop is awful. He's literally as bad as it gets. Like someone aptly pointed out.. he tried to make Henry a passer and Appleby a runner. I can only hope that Blough has convinced him that he's terrible at what he's good at, so that maybe Shoop dials that up.

Appleby probably would need his support to be as good as Orton's was in 03 to look competent to even above average against a team that can put the heat on like that... and we'll always face a few.

Hazell really was delusional enough to think that he could come in here and conduct himself as if he was in Columbus, and win. He's now, apparently, delusional enough to STILL think so.

Joe Tiller, with this exact team, pre secret retirement before his actual retirement, where he pretended to still be interested in coaching Purdue, but was mostly just daydreaming about fishing... with the staff he had, would have beaten Marshall, had the same result v. ISU, and probably lost in a game v. Virginia Tech where Purdue looked much more competent and went down swinging. And we'd be looking at a game where we would beat BGSU by taking the INITIATIVE.

And that's just it. I know it's a struggle going forward in this new world that is college football in 2015. You could almost watch Antonio Brown, know that he went to CMU and right there realize that it's not the same world and hasn't been for a while. Meaning, I don't know that there is this genius out there that will revolutionize Purdue football and bring us back to 2003 and rising.

What I do know is this. Interview five guys.. ask them "how will you win at Purdue? What is your attitude in terms of how risky and aggressive you will have to be to win here?"

If the answer is closer to "you will always have to win swinging and fighting at Purdue. You will never get to sit back and let the game come to you. You will never recruit the players that allow you to do that. Joe Tiller didn't and you never will"

you move on to the rest of the interview...

if it's anything else, give them a set of steak knives and wish them a good day
If MB is conducting this interview, it probably won't go that way.
 
Appleby probably would need his support to be as good as Orton's was in 03 to look competent to even above average against a team that can put the heat on like that... and we'll always face a few.
Don't forget that Orton started as a freshman and didn't look like he was anywhere near natural at the position until somewhere in his Junior year.

Hazell really was delusional enough to think that he could come in here and conduct himself as if he was in Columbus, and win. He's now, apparently, delusional enough to STILL think so.
This may be the key to the real problem. Add to that, this staff just doesn't seem to adjust. They don't adjust to their players. They don't adjust in-game. They don't seem to adjust from opponent to opponent. They seem somewhat hardheaded and really dense in this regard.
 
Did you want Appleby pulled?
Back to your original question: I was indifferent about it. I think Blough has a potentially better upside. But, will we see the fruit of that upside anytime in the next 12 months? I hope so. But, we may not.
Going back to the spring game stats. Appleby had a completion percentage in the upper 50's. Blough had a completion percentage in the upper 60's. Blough had more yards and more TD's. The point of concern for Blough was taking care of the ball.
As quickly as Blough can help us, he may also get us into trouble.
Tiller once told Brees after an interception, you broke it, now you go fix it. Can Blough be this good? I hope so. But, I am not convinced. He may be good enough in the future. It may be next season before we start seeing some of the good stuff we hope for.
So, back to your original question, I was indifferent about switching quarterbacks.
 
Okay, but you do realize that if Blough fails, anyone saying anything other than "Shoop needs to go, RIGHT NOW" is saying "I guess the fifth time is the charm, maybe?"
 
Creating a strawman argument here?

Rarely was anybody supportive of Shoop on here. I can maybe think of 5 individual posts out of thousands that have said this.

I think fans know that it's a combo of his ineptness, his scheme, poor coaching and QBs that have learned bad habits. We know it's Shoop, but I also don't think we've had a legit P5 QB here in his tenure.

I'll also preface all this with I think all of those QBs could have been better and potentially P5 caliber with better coaching. If Blough is good, he'll overcome some of the scheme shortcomings, not all.
 
Orton was not good as a freshman I liked kirsch more in 02 the 02 sun bowl Ortons breakout
 
Two questions..

Did you want Appleby pulled?

If yes, and if Blough doesn't look good either, and if you've also ever defended Shoop or gone after Appleby instead, will this finally be enough?

After watching Virginia Tech, I've come to a few conclusions.

Shoop is awful. He's literally as bad as it gets. Like someone aptly pointed out.. he tried to make Henry a passer and Appleby a runner. I can only hope that Blough has convinced him that he's terrible at what he's good at, so that maybe Shoop dials that up.

Appleby probably would need his support to be as good as Orton's was in 03 to look competent to even above average against a team that can put the heat on like that... and we'll always face a few.

Hazell really was delusional enough to think that he could come in here and conduct himself as if he was in Columbus, and win. He's now, apparently, delusional enough to STILL think so.

Joe Tiller, with this exact team, pre secret retirement before his actual retirement, where he pretended to still be interested in coaching Purdue, but was mostly just daydreaming about fishing... with the staff he had, would have beaten Marshall, had the same result v. ISU, and probably lost in a game v. Virginia Tech where Purdue looked much more competent and went down swinging. And we'd be looking at a game where we would beat BGSU by taking the INITIATIVE.

And that's just it. I know it's a struggle going forward in this new world that is college football in 2015. You could almost watch Antonio Brown, know that he went to CMU and right there realize that it's not the same world and hasn't been for a while. Meaning, I don't know that there is this genius out there that will revolutionize Purdue football and bring us back to 2003 and rising.

What I do know is this. Interview five guys.. ask them "how will you win at Purdue? What is your attitude in terms of how risky and aggressive you will have to be to win here?"

If the answer is closer to "you will always have to win swinging and fighting at Purdue. You will never get to sit back and let the game come to you. You will never recruit the players that allow you to do that. Joe Tiller didn't and you never will"

you move on to the rest of the interview...

if it's anything else, give them a set of steak knives and wish them a good day
Yes,I wanted Appleby pulled.I don't know if Blough will be any better,but I think its worth a chance.I am now excited about heading to the game Saturday .Atleast I don't think Bowling Green knows much about Blough.As long as I live I will never know why Shoop kept running that read option against VT when it obviously wasn't working.Purdue should be able to run the ball with Knox and Jones and maybe they can control the clock for about 35 or more minutes.Boiler up!
 
To say Tiller would've beat Bowling Green seems to ignore the fact that probably our most talented team Tiller ever had got beat at home by a much inferior BG team.
 
Back to your original question: I was indifferent about it. I think Blough has a potentially better upside. But, will we see the fruit of that upside anytime in the next 12 months? I hope so. But, we may not.
Going back to the spring game stats. Appleby had a completion percentage in the upper 50's. Blough had a completion percentage in the upper 60's. Blough had more yards and more TD's. The point of concern for Blough was taking care of the ball.
As quickly as Blough can help us, he may also get us into trouble.
Tiller once told Brees after an interception, you broke it, now you go fix it. Can Blough be this good? I hope so. But, I am not convinced. He may be good enough in the future. It may be next season before we start seeing some of the good stuff we hope for.
So, back to your original question, I was indifferent about switching quarterbacks.

Tiller didn't say that to brees. Matt light did
 
To say Tiller would've beat Bowling Green seems to ignore the fact that probably our most talented team Tiller ever had got beat at home by a much inferior BG team.
However a BG team coached by one Urban Meyer....
 
Yes, that's it - Ike Moore. What an obscure piece of trivia.

Looks like I have to go back and rewatch "Purdue Rose Bowl - Season of Milestones, A Lifetime of Memories."
 
From Drew Brees' book after throwing an interception against OSU:
Finally defensive end Warren "Ike" Moore came up to me. He was a senior, too, and a guy who really didn't get a lot of playing time. But he was a well-respected, quite leader on the team. He put his arm around me and said something I'll never forget.
"You broke it. Now go out and fix it."

I also believe that Drew Brees reiterated this after that game as well. The interception led to an OSU score, but Purdue came back and won the game.
 
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