Indiana High School Football Coaches

[Dakota Girl]

Well, I knew you would bite, but I didn't think you'd be that quick about it! I'm impressed, not just with your ignorance, but also your reaction time.

Perhaps the most damaging thing MB1 did to Purdue football is create the expectation among our fans that "boycotting" attendance at football games is the most effective way to register disapproval. There are other, better ways, that don't adversely affect the team or the program's perception.

E.g., reducing JPC contributions sends the message without also telling the world that PU football fans don't give a $hit, which is what you and other like you have done.

Don't bother twisting to pat yourself on the back, if PU football does come back and flourish, it will be despite you and not because of you.

Consider too, if it wasn't for the BTN money, we could hardly pay MAC salaries to our football coaches, because we're sure as heck not paying these salaries out of ticket revenue!

MB1 plus fans like you would have been the death of PU football if not for the BTN. That's why most analysts consider PU a $hit job. Hopefully, Brohm and MB2 can change that. Meanwhile, I'm sure you'll sit at home and demand better, and then jump on the bandwagon last, if they do turn it around, and obnoxiously yell, telling us we owe the success to you for "demanding" excellence! You're so clueless you actually think you aren't.

Bonz,
Some things you really should consider...
Never tell people how to spend their money or their time. You simply do not know enough about their lives to be qualified.
That BTN money is generated by people in Lay-Z-Boys watching the games on the BTN and ESPN.
Your earlier example of Nebraska fans being the best is severely flawed. I'm not saying they are not good fans. I'm saying the comparison is ludicrous. They have had almost no losing seasons since Tom Osbourne started coaching. Their worst years are as good or better than our average year. They literally have no other sporting events above the HS level to go to. Even with all of that they still have exponentially more fans watching games on tv than in the stadium.
I'm happy for you that you can go to the games. Don't denegrate me for not. I have spent my last twenty one years raising kids, coaching their teams from T-ball to AAU, taking care of a house, paying for college, etc. I'd love to go to more games at Purdue but I have to pick and choose. Don't tell me I'm less than you for it.

 

[nat100]

you don't get it.
Let's be classy.
Or not.
Your choice. It's not about some "moral policeman", but claiming so sheds some light . . .

Speaking of classy, when can we expect your mea culpa re: Hazell?

 

[TC4THREE]

Holy hell you are moronic. Then again when you display stupidity online to get a rise out of strangers, you have a pretty sad existence to begin with.

Please, keep chiding people for speaking with their wallets and boycotting Purdue football...it further reinforces your idiocy.
Oh, and I feel just fine for not spending $$ on plane tickets, transportation to WL, lodging, and game tickets to watch shit football...and I don't own a recliner either.

You are one clueless idiot.

And you are low class trash.

 

[njm8845]

We have so much talent in the Indy area alone..........should pick up 6-8 good athletes alone from the area every year. INDY high school football has come a long way over the past ten years.I lived in Cincinnati for a lengthy period of time and I would stack INDY"S top five against the Cinci area top 5 any day! Cherry pick a few more from FT.Wayne ...the Region and a few schools in the southern part of the state and we can build this team and pipeline real quick!

Let's not forget that hazell "won" the press conference too. The binder had people sold, he talked about the "state of Purdue", and season tickets saw a huge bump.

Problem was, he couldn't actually do anything right. But I'm holding off on being super optimistic until I see the on the field product.

 

[SKYDOG]

What's just as frustrating, and damaging to PU football, is that so many PU fans thought the only effective way to show their disapproval of MB1/DH1/DH2 was to stop supporting the team and the program by not attending games. MB1 and DH2 were gone with or without the dismal attendance and apathy. Those just made it harder for the administration to justify the investment we see now. Nebraska fans are there for their program, regardless of the coach, and they've been able to force coaching changes, when needed. As a result, in the coaching world, Nebraska is viewed as a great job, largely because of the great fan base. Purdue is looked upon as a very iffy job for any coach, regardless of the AD, because the fan base is viewed as weak and fickle. Hopefully, Brohm won't have to win first to bring back the fans -- because winning in front of a half-empty home stadium is much harder -- and Brohm will need every advantage to get over the hump. Staying home in the Lazy Boy until the team proves it can win is what IU football fans do, not real football fans.

Would you continue to go out to eat at a restaurant where you get had service and bad food? Would you buy another new Ford if the previous three were lemons? You just can't expect the fan base to support this terrible football product with 1Big win at home in four years. When Purdue was bad years ago I went because they just might pull out a win Spoilermakers. I never thought Hazell could win a game so I stopped supporting this terrible entertainment product.

 

[BoilerBonz]

I'm not going to get into the name calling, but name one program that has endured so many losing seasons yet fills their stadium. Nebraska is an awful example. Their worst teams are like 7-5 and then they make changes and bounce back to 9 or 10 wins.
IU? no
Illinois? no
Syracuse? no
Wake? no
Virginia? no
Kansas? no
Colorado? no

People fed up with bad football and bad management is in no way unique to Purdue.

And the programs that were successfully rebuilt are the ones where the fan base didn't dissolve in the face of multiple bad seasons. I.e., Iowa prior to Fry, Wisconsin prior to Alvarez, MSU before Dantonio, etc.

So your'e right about IU, Illinois, Kansas, etc. But their weak fan bases make it that much harder for them to ever break out of their plights.

I'd rather PU football fans support their team like Iowa, Wisconsin, or MSU fans. And if we don't, it's understandable, as you suggest. But we shouldn't be surprised then if Brohm fails, because we didn't do enough, collectively, as a fan base, to help turn things around.

Being a "fan" involves more than acting completely in one's rational self interest, alone.

 

[njm8845]

And the programs that were successfully rebuilt are the ones where the fan base didn't dissolve in the face of multiple bad seasons. I.e., Iowa prior to Fry, Wisconsin prior to Alvarez, MSU before Dantonio, etc.

So your'e right about IU, Illinois, Kansas, etc. But their weak fan bases make it that much harder for them to ever break out of their plights.

I'd rather PU football fans support their team like Iowa, Wisconsin, or MSU fans. And if we don't, it's understandable, as you suggest. But we shouldn't be surprised then if Brohm fails, because we didn't do enough, collectively, as a fan base, to help turn things around.

Being a "fan" involves more than acting completely in one's rational self interest, alone.

But one of the main reasons Burke started for firing hope is declining season ticket sales. Sounds like fans in that situation forced his hand.

 

[TC4THREE]

And the programs that were successfully rebuilt are the ones where the fan base didn't dissolve in the face of multiple bad seasons. I.e., Iowa prior to Fry, Wisconsin prior to Alvarez, MSU before Dantonio, etc.

So your'e right about IU, Illinois, Kansas, etc. But their weak fan bases make it that much harder for them to ever break out of their plights.

I'd rather PU football fans support their team like Iowa, Wisconsin, or MSU fans. And if we don't, it's understandable, as you suggest. But we shouldn't be surprised then if Brohm fails, because we didn't do enough, collectively, as a fan base, to help turn things around.

Being a "fan" involves more than acting completely in one's rational self interest, alone.

Iowa prior to Fry? Wisconsin prior to Alvarez? You're talking 1970' s and 1980's. Do you actually know what their fan support was like before those guys took over? Do you see any difference between 2016 and then?

 

[boilermaker75]

No, he needs to be remembered. For to forget the past, only insures it's return.

My comment was more TIC. I am well aware of the sage advice that George Santaya gave, “Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

Santayana.

 

[BoilerBonz]

Holy hell you are moronic. Then again when you display stupidity online to get a rise out of strangers, you have a pretty sad existence to begin with.

Please, keep chiding people for speaking with their wallets and boycotting Purdue football...it further reinforces your idiocy.
Oh, and I feel just fine for not spending $$ on plane tickets, transportation to WL, lodging, and game tickets to watch shit football...and I don't own a recliner either.

You are one clueless idiot.

I didn't respond to your nonsense to get a rise out of you. I responded to try to dispel some of the poisonous ignorance you spew on this board about "demanding" excellence and boycotting attendance as a way to supposedly achieve it. And I don't care whether you have to fly to games. This isn't about you, personally -- which you probably find hard to believe -- it's about trying to dissuade others from buying into your bull$hit. Now with MB1 and DH2 gone, the biggest challenge this football program faces in trying to recover is overcoming the attitude of "fans" like you. Brohm needs butts in the seats! He doesn't need whiners, who won't show until he's already done the hard work.

 

[TC4THREE]

This isn't about you, personally -- which you probably find hard to believe -- it's about trying to dissuade others from buying into your bull$hit.

I think there's little chance that anyone actually believes anything he writes here.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

And the programs that were successfully rebuilt are the ones where the fan base didn't dissolve in the face of multiple bad seasons. I.e., Iowa prior to Fry, Wisconsin prior to Alvarez, MSU before Dantonio, etc.

So your'e right about IU, Illinois, Kansas, etc. But their weak fan bases make it that much harder for them to ever break out of their plights.

I'd rather PU football fans support their team like Iowa, Wisconsin, or MSU fans. And if we don't, it's understandable, as you suggest. But we shouldn't be surprised then if Brohm fails, because we didn't do enough, collectively, as a fan base, to help turn things around.

Being a "fan" involves more than acting completely in one's rational self interest, alone.

The only language that Cordova, Burke and the previous BOT understood was GREEN. As long as the budget was being balanced by football and MBB revenue, no real change would ever have been made.

 

[FirstDownB]

Colorado is a pretty good comp. Similar to our attendance last several years. then went 10-3 this year in 4th season under new coach. Attendance follows winning.

I could actually build a pretty solid argument that our fans require much less winning to show up and support the team than many other programs.

 

[BoilerBonz]

Iowa prior to Fry? Wisconsin prior to Alvarez? You're talking 1970' s and 1980's. Do you actually know what their fan support was like before those guys took over? Do you see any difference between 2016 and then?

What's your point? I'm not suggesting things haven't changed. I'm saying this "wait and see" attitude will make it that much harder for Brohm to rebuild the program. Everyone knew PSU football would be back. Why? Because the fan base never left. For the same reason, everyone knew IU basketball would be back. As Purdue fans, we'll get what we deserve, not what we childishly demand. A good fan base that actually helps its team win is more than just a collection of individuals, each acting in their own selfish interest. Those who don't get that know nothing about psychology. If more in our fan base understood this, and rejected the "wait and see" attitude of the "I demand better" whiners, we'd all be more likely to enjoy success in Purdue football.

 

[BoilerBonz]

The only language that Cordova, Burke and the previous BOT understood was GREEN. As long as the budget was being balanced by football and MBB revenue, no real change would ever have been made.

BTN money makes attendance secondary from a financial perspective. BTN money is the only reason we have a chance to dig ourselves out of this. There are more constructive ways to demonstrate discontent than turning your back on the team, or playing "wait and see."

 

[TC4THREE]

Everyone knew PSU football would be back.

Well I believe that is revisionist history because I remember arguing with people here that suggested Penn State would've been better off getting the death penalty than the sanctions they received because they thought those would kill their program.

As Purdue fans, we'll get what we deserve, not what we childishly demand. A good fan base that actually helps its team win is more than just a collection of individuals, each acting in their own selfish interest. Those who don't get that know nothing about psychology. If more in our fan base understood this, and rejected the "wait and see" attitude of the "I demand better" whiners, we'd all be more likely to enjoy success in Purdue football.

This is a two-way street and you seem to only want it to go one way. Yes if we averaged 80k per game no matter what the program would be stronger. Anyone would be better off with millions more in revenue.

That said, if the program won the Big Ten 3 or 4 times a decade and a few national championships in its history, it would draw far more fans.

I agree with you that the silly "we demand more" people like ECB are foolish who most likely don't exhibit an ounce of the excellence in their own life that they demand from the football program.

That said, I can't be critical of people who choose not to spend their hard-earned money on the product we've seen the past 4 years. When it comes down to it, it is entertainment and coming to games every week is a significant investment with not only money but also time. If someone wants to not get season tickets and throw some more money back towards retirement or their kid's college fund or even an alternative sporting event like Colts football, I wouldn't suggest that person is wrong. If someone wants to spend a Saturday in the fall at their kid's soccer game or working in the lawn, who should criticize them for doing so? It's not as if the alternative has been at all compelling lately.

If you are a die-hard fan who will go to the games every week regardless then good for you. I'm glad there are fans like you. Wish there were more but I refuse to criticize others for how they choose to spend their time and money. Purdue football is a line that goes under "entertainment" in most people's budget and frankly it hasn't been very entertaining of late. I think Brohm will be able to change that and that's why I'm back on board but I don't fault people for holding out either.

 

[BoilerBonz]

"This is a two-way street and you seem to only want it to go one way."

It's called loyalty.

That said, I get your point, Purdue doesn't deserve much based on PU's past. But my point is, if we let that past dictate our future actions, as fans, we're all less likely to get what we want -- good PU football -- because a strong fan base will make Brohm's rebuilding job much more manageable.

Also, I'm not criticizing anyone, other than the "I demand excellence" whiners. I get it that one can follow PU football without devoting every fall Saturday to it, especially if one has kids, or a spouse who doesn't care. I'm just saying, if you want PU football to be successful and you can, the most effective action you can take is to get behind this program by buying season tickets and attending next fall, even if it does take Brohm 3 or 4 years to get us back on track.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

BTN money makes attendance secondary from a financial perspective. BTN money is the only reason we have a chance to dig ourselves out of this. There are more constructive ways to demonstrate discontent than turning your back on the team, or playing "wait and see."

Have you seen the athletic department financials recently?

Butts in seats matter. And that's why Mitch got involved.

I still firmly believe that if 50,000+ were showing up at Ross-Ade, that the football Performance Center wouldn't have happened, MBob wouldn't have happened, and Jeff brohm and $3.5 million for assistant coaches wouldn't have happened.

I obviously cannot prove that, it's just my opinion, based on decades of watching how Purdue operates.

 

[BoilerBonz]

Bonz,
Some things you really should consider...
Never tell people how to spend their money or their time. You simply do not know enough about their lives to be qualified.
That BTN money is generated by people in Lay-Z-Boys watching the games on the BTN and ESPN.
Your earlier example of Nebraska fans being the best is severely flawed. I'm not saying they are not good fans. I'm saying the comparison is ludicrous. They have had almost no losing seasons since Tom Osbourne started coaching. Their worst years are as good or better than our average year. They literally have no other sporting events above the HS level to go to. Even with all of that they still have exponentially more fans watching games on tv than in the stadium.
I'm happy for you that you can go to the games. Don't denegrate me for not. I have spent my last twenty one years raising kids, coaching their teams from T-ball to AAU, taking care of a house, paying for college, etc. I'd love to go to more games at Purdue but I have to pick and choose. Don't tell me I'm less than you for it.

Dakota Girl,
A couple things to consider:
1. Don't take complaints about our fan base personal. We all understand that some live too far away to attend in person or have other, more important, responsibilities to attend to.
2. Butts in Lazy Boy recliners are great for the BTN but they don't help the team win games. And if you think butts in Ross-Ade won't help Purdue win, ask Brohm.

 

[BoilerBonz]

Have you seen the athletic department financials recently?

Butts in seats matter. And that's why Mitch got involved.

I still firmly believe that if 50,000+ were showing up at Ross-Ade, that the football Performance Center wouldn't have happened, MBob wouldn't have happened, and Jeff brohm and $3.5 million for assistant coaches wouldn't have happened.

I obviously cannot prove that, it's just my opinion, based on decades of watching how Purdue operates.

You may be right? I said before that the worst thing MB1 did to Purdue football was create the expectation among fans that "boycotting" games was the only way to effect change.

IMO, reducing contributions to the JPC was a more constructive way to effect change.

Regardless, now we, as a fan base, should put that in the past and those of us who can need to step up and buy tickets and support this team in the fall. And we need to keep doing so even if the team sucks for several more years to come.

I get it that some can't because of family, work, money, or distance. But those who say they'll show after PU football starts winning again, they are of no use to Brohm and this team right now, when they need you, and unfortunately, those "wait-and seers" increase the odds that the rest of us will get stuck with what they deserve, more bad football.

 

[TC4THREE]

Dakota Girl,
A couple things to consider:
1. Don't take complaints about our fan base personal. We all understand that some live too far away to attend in person or have other, more important, responsibilities to attend to.
2. Butts in Lazy Boy recliners are great for the BTN but they don't help the team win games. And if you think butts in Ross-Ade won't help Purdue win, ask Brohm.

I don't think it would've helped Hazell win games. I think it will with Brohm and I think Purdue has started to give the athletic department what it needs to compete on a more level playing field by letting it keep all the BTN money. That's why I'm on board again. My contribution pales in comparison to the millions the university was taking out of the BTN revenue each year so it seemed to me that my incremental contributions didn't really help the football program but allowed the university to fund whatever building they felt necessary at the time. When they were doing that, I didn't feel like my contribution necessarily helped the athletic department. Now I do. That's the biggest difference to me.

 

[Bippus33]

I didn't respond to your nonsense to get a rise out of you. I responded to try to dispel some of the poisonous ignorance you spew on this board about "demanding" excellence and boycotting attendance as a way to supposedly achieve it. And I don't care whether you have to fly to games. This isn't about you, personally -- which you probably find hard to believe -- it's about trying to dissuade others from buying into your bull$hit. Now with MB1 and DH2 gone, the biggest challenge this football program faces in trying to recover is overcoming the attitude of "fans" like you. Brohm needs butts in the seats! He doesn't need whiners, who won't show until he's already done the hard work.

TC4Three should be changed to.....................T4AC= THINKING For A CHANGE.....

 

[Dakota Girl]

Dakota Girl,
A couple things to consider:
1. Don't take complaints about our fan base personal. We all understand that some live too far away to attend in person or have other, more important, responsibilities to attend to.
2. Butts in Lazy Boy recliners are great for the BTN but they don't help the team win games. And if you think butts in Ross-Ade won't help Purdue win, ask Brohm.

I like your well ordered response. So much easier to read.
Regarding1: I'm guessing I'm not the only one who viewed that post as an attack...but I'll view it more dispassionately.
Regarding2: I viewed the topic as being about the attendence during the previous two failed regimes. Brohm will gain attendance rapidly, I'm optimistic.

 

[ossim]

Purdue is not a startup company or GoFundMe. It is completely reasonable that people should want a quality product if they are going to spend money on it.

 

[BoilerBonz]

I like your well ordered response. So much easier to read.
Regarding1: I'm guessing I'm not the only one who viewed that post as an attack...but I'll view it more dispassionately.
Regarding2: I viewed the topic as being about the attendence during the previous two failed regimes. Brohm will gain attendance rapidly, I'm optimistic.

An attack? Really? A millennial, I take it.

Glad you're optimistic -- hope you're right -- I'm worried that too many have forgotten how to find Ross-Ade, and won't remember during the rebuilding process to come, when they're needed.

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

And you are low class trash.

And you are a thinned-skinned whiny piece of Indiana trash.

 

[TC4THREE]

And you are a thinned-skinned whiny piece of Indiana trash.

You are just plain low-class trash.

 

[BoilerBonz]

Purdue is not a startup company or GoFundMe. It is completely reasonable that people should want a quality product if they are going to spend money on it.

Sure, I don't disagree, but then Purdue fans shouldn't expect much for their weak (collective) effort.

As I said before, a good college fan base is not a collection of individuals each acting in their rational self interest. Which explains why PU's fan base is pretty weak -- and that will make it much harder for Brohm as he tries to turn this football program around. Hopefully Brohm can win quickly, because he won't be able to recruit competitively with a half-empty stadium. And if he can't recruit well, we'll all be right back in this same spot in 4 or 5 years. My point is -- Purdue fans need to take some responsibility for helping to turn this football program around, rather than just expect to have the turnaround delivered on a platter with no investment from the collective fan base.

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

I think there's little chance that anyone actually believes anything he writes here.

Likewise; you had the entire board questioning you for starting moronic threads.

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

You are just plain low-class trash.

You are flyover state trash, and nothing more.

 

[TC4THREE]

You are flyover state trash, and nothing more.

You are just plain low-class trash.

 

[BoilerBonz]

You are flyover state trash, and nothing more.

Displaying your inner emotional child again, I see, ECB.

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

You are just plain low-class trash.

Reduced to parroting again...wow that was easy.

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

Displaying your inner emotional child again, I see, ECB.

You stream idiocy 24/7 because you have no intelligence.

 

[TC4THREE]

Reduced to parroting again...wow that was easy.

You are just plain low-class trash.

 

[Dakota Girl]

An attack? Really? A millennial, I take it.

Glad you're optimistic -- hope you're right -- I'm worried that too many have forgotten how to find Ross-Ade, and won't remember during the rebuilding process to come, when they're needed.

How many melinials do you know with 21 year old kids? Do I need to do the math for you or read the post to you on the phone to help your comprehension? Was attack to harsh of a word? How about I just say you painted everyone not sitting in the stands over the last ten years as not worthy of being fans of our teams without any thought for why that might be. You also have ignored the fact that your examples of good fan bases are teams with extremely short duration and shallow dips on performance. Hardly the same as what Purdue has done. My first instinct about you is validated.

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

How many melinials do you know with 21 year old kids? Do I need to do the math for you or read the post to you on the phone to help your comprehension? Was attack to harsh of a word? How about I just say you painted everyone not sitting in the stands over the last ten years as not worthy of being fans of our teams without any thought for why that might be. You also have ignored the fact that your examples of good fan bases are teams with extremely short duration and shallow dips on performance. Hardly the same as what Purdue has done. My first instinct about you is validated.

Dakota Girl,

There is a reason his nickname is "BoilerBozo." Clearly, you're seeing it on full display.

 

[BoilerBonz]

How many melinials do you know with 21 year old kids? Do I need to do the math for you or read the post to you on the phone to help your comprehension? Was attack to harsh of a word? How about I just say you painted everyone not sitting in the stands over the last ten years as not worthy of being fans of our teams without any thought for why that might be. You also have ignored the fact that your examples of good fan bases are teams with extremely short duration and shallow dips on performance. Hardly the same as what Purdue has done. My first instinct about you is validated.

Ok, so even though it's all about you, you're not a millennial. Regardless, I agree, PU's fan base has several good excuses for sucking. And I'm not talking about the folks who can't attend because they have their priorities straight. I'm blaming the "wait-and-see" / "I demand excellence, first" crowd. I think I've made that very clear. Clear enough to say that you're being overly sensitive if you take offense, or feel attacked, by what I said. The larger point is, if too many PU fans stay in their Lazy Boys, regardless of their reason, than Brohm's job is much tougher, and if too many expect him to deliver without any effort on our own part, we're all likely to be disappointed. (Note my use of the collective -- meaning you shouldn't take any of it personal.)

 

[Boilerkid18]

Nothing like seeing men act like kids, keep it up

 

[EastCoastBoiler]

TC4Three should be changed to.....................T4AC= THINKING For A CHANGE.....

It doesn't happen too often.