Indiana at Purdue: MASTER DISCUSSION THREAD

[tjreese]

Agreed, I don’t think Berg returns next year which is fine, might be for the best if he moves down a level, foot speed is his problem in my opinion, guessing Waddell with a Purdue degree in hand plays a 5th year elsewhere as well.

I have no late, personal understanding on Brian, but would be shocked if he went to play somewhere else. Matt was fully aware his minutes last year would be hard to find...and then you add injuries. I suspect he graduates, gets married and has a good job...and again this is my "guess" without any recent personal reason for my stance.

 

[tjreese]

Robbie is great. He's definitely trying to be unbiased though.

The "great block" Mbako had on Braden was no ball and all wrist. That no call was a five point swing right there.

TKRs moving screens were weak too. That happens all game, every game. To call those and just let bodies fly on rebounds in a physical game makes no sense....

definitely a 5 point spread. I don't keep up with the rules, but it used to be that the hand and the ball where considered one, but the wrist is something else. It happened too quick and what we saw from Braden driving the ball, I just assumed it was 2 pts.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

Fun game!

Definitely not a foul on Harris-good defense and would have been a terrible terrible call if they whistled it.

My Hoosiers did themselves proud, all while contributing toward the inevitable end of the Woodson era in 6 weeks.

IMO Purdue is solid-top 20-ish but flawed. Too much needed from two (outstanding) players and Loyer still gets pulled late game for defense. But they have a team identity, which is an excellent thing to have.

Cheers!

"Top 20ish" Boilers to a Loosier means the Boilers are a real top 10.
You know you are truly 2nd tier when you celebrate losing a close one.
That probably cinches your coaches firing.
Cheers indeed!

 

[tjreese]

We could argue all day about this one. There was contact, sure, but Harris went straight up. Arm hit elbow probably. No chest contact like Robbie was saying. Didn't understand that. What I think happened with Rice was one of 2 things: A) he felt contact and tried to make MORE contact by coming back down onto Harris, in order to better draw the foul, or B) changed his mind mid-air because the shot was too difficult, and tried to pass it to Ballo.

I'm with Painter though. How does Galloway not have the ball in his hands in that situation. I wonder if that's what Ballo was screaming at Rice for.

I've watched the video at 4:38-4:39 and never found contact...it has to be seen, not guessed. That said it is hard to explain why the shot was so short since I couldn't see Giccari get a finger on the shot. So if there was a foul on Giccari, that still doesn't explain the shot being so short because if a foul happened...it was very soft and not enough to explain the ball falling so short.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

I've watched the video at 4:38-4:39 and never found contact...it has to be seen, not guessed. That said it is hard to explain why the shot was so short since I couldn't see Giccari get a finger on the shot. So if there was a foul on Giccari, that still doesn't explain the shot being so short because if a foul happened...it was very soft and not enough to explain the ball falling so short.

As I see it again, I still believe there was some contact to Rice's left elbow, but I don't see as much now as I saw last night live. From the reverse (original) angle you couldn't see it at all.

 

[purduedavie]

I have no late, personal understanding on Brian, but would be shocked if he went to play somewhere else. Matt was fully aware his minutes last year would be hard to find...and then you add injuries. I suspect he graduates, gets married and has a good job...and again this is my "guess" without any recent personal reason for my stance.

I think he’s dating Chicoine who’s now at Louisville and just a Jr. You might be correct, might want to start on the graduate degree while earning a little NIL cash, I would think there’s schools like a Valpo where he could get a great grad degree while playing some minutes.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

Berg must be really bad. This game begged for some size off Purdue’s bench. And zip. He needs to go to a lesser program.

you need to understand what upper classman means.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

Berg must be really bad. This game begged for some size off Purdue’s bench. And zip. He needs to go to a lesser program.

It's not really that complicated. He's been out of the rotation for several weeks now. Painter goes with 9 and he's settled on that. What I was interested to see was whether he was going to give Burgess a couple of minutes considering the foul trouble but he went with Heide, who at least got a key putback.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

It's not really that complicated. He's been out of the rotation for several weeks now. Painter goes with 9 and he's settled on that. What I was interested to see was whether he was going to give Burgess a couple of minutes considering the foul trouble but he went with Heide, who at least got a key putback.

Cam Heide also did a really good job checking Goode in the second half.......Purdue just had no answer for the screen/roll action with Galloway. Woodson wanted a time-out with Rice's play/drive.....good thing for Purdue, Indiana continued with the play.

 

[Gman544]

So asking for thoughts. Why was Galloway able to score at will against our great freshman defenders in the second half? Was it just effort and determination in his last Mackey game? Was it being away from the boo birds at Assembly Hall? Did they forget how to defend a slow crafty guy?

 

[Poprudy]

Cool story bro. Indiana won't have Mike Woodson. That's good enough for me.

Don't worry the next hire will be fired as well.

 

[MetMyWifeAtHarrys]

Cool story bro. Indiana won't have Mike Woodson. That's good enough for me.

It is a cool story.

The theme of which is how strong Purdue should be next year, the note about Woodson was more of an afterthought to the rest of his paragraph...

 

[Chi-Boiler]

Replay of game just started on BTN. Fast version.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I thought Heide played well in spots tonight and he played hard. He added some much needed help. To Myles defense, he was still cheering from the bench, and I still attribute a lot to the HS competition he played being pretty weak.

Myles’ defense is better, but not quite as good as the 2 freshmen, so not sure if he ever starts here.

 

[pubill]

I thought the first call on TRK was ok, but the second one was weak. As I explained to Mrs. Chi-Boiler last night, moving screens are like holding in football. They happen on just about every play and only the egregious ones get called. I believe they called 2 on each team last night. Both on Reneau? The one in the backcourt on Cox I thought was a bad call at first but then on replay you could see Reneau slide to the left when he didn't have to.

Painter said post game both blocking fouls on TKR were definitely fouls and TKR must do better here.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

are you kidding ... He's not going to hang out with anyone we know. He has 20 years more to coach. Maybe Shaka

Haha - the one time Lenny will want to hang out with Painter.....

"I even brought sandwiches....."

 

[Chi-Boiler]

Painter said post game both blocking fouls on TKR were definitely fouls and TKR must do better here.

That's cuz he has class. What would Brad Underwood say?

 

[Gman544]

I've watched the video at 4:38-4:39 and never found contact...it has to be seen, not guessed. That said it is hard to explain why the shot was so short since I couldn't see Giccari get a finger on the shot. So if there was a foul on Giccari, that still doesn't explain the shot being so short because if a foul happened...it was very soft and not enough to explain the ball falling so short.

Four points. Harris got zero ball. The bodies touched but it was minimal and partly due to Rice leaning in being off balance. I think the trajectory change was initiated by Rice, maybe thinking to pass or indecisive?
Don't refs comment about these plays in some fashion after the game?

 

[tjreese]

I think he’s dating Chicoine who’s now at Louisville and just a Jr. You might be correct, might want to start on the graduate degree while earning a little NIL cash, I would think there’s schools like a Valpo where he could get a great grad degree while playing some minutes.

Well I haven't reached out to get a feel since it really isn't my business and so anything I would type would be a guess and not one with any information for a basis

 

[tjreese]

Four points. Harris got zero ball. The bodies touched but it was minimal and partly due to Rice leaning in being off balance. I think the trajectory change was initiated by Rice, maybe thinking to pass or indecisive?
Don't refs comment about these plays in some fashion after the game?

If you break down the film, Rice's hands when he goes up are not placed to shoot the ball. Both are on the side of the ball. He then twists his hands at the last second to shoot. Brian on the other site commented after running back and forth the tape many times and agrees that he sees no foul. I have no idea how to explain it being so short...certainly a foul on a shot wouldn't cause it...because "if" there was a foul it was soft. Not sure if the movement of the hands resulted in some slip or what happened. It doesn't matter Purdue had no homecourt advantage in this game.

 

[Gman544]

If you break down the film, Rice's hands when he goes up are not placed to shoot the ball. Both are on the side of the ball. He then twists his hands at the last second to shoot. Brian on the other site commented after running back and forth the tape many times and agrees that he sees no foul. I have no idea how to explain it being so short...certainly a foul on a shot wouldn't cause it...because "if" there was a foul it was soft. Not sure if the movement of the hands resulted in some slip or what happened. It doesn't matter Purdue had no homecourt advantage in this game.

Well we know kind of agree. No matter why or how, the trajectory change or weird direction was initiated by Rice. Maybe the refs saw that as well.

 

[RossMackey]

100% agree on Robbie. He's a great commentator but he does tend to go overboard on trying to appear unbiased. There was little contact on Harris (certainly less than had been going on all game) and the push off by Galloway that made him wide open Robbie was okay with. That said, there was a stretch where he was critical of Purdue and it was spot on.. like when no one was boxing out or other things that let IU score at will at times.

Still overall he still does a fantastic job and is a pleasure to listen to when he is commenting on games.

Nobody breaks down the game better than Robbie.

A fabulous representative of Purdue University.

 

[HarrysPostGame13]

Don't worry the next hire will be fired as well.

Hearing rumblings that it’s going to be Chris Beard, Brad Stevens and Bruce Pearl to make a super staff.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

IU’s 3 Indiana guys were clearly focused in this one. I think that rivalry games favor the underdog psychologically and IU played MUCH better than what I have seen in other games when I have had a chance to watch them this year.

I think that a lineup of Galloway, Leal, Goode, Mgbako, and Ballo could win IU a lot of games. Woody is playing the wrong guys from what I can tell. Mgbako is one of the most talented guys in the league, but he is much better at the 4 than the 3 to my eyes. He also plays off Ballo well, making it tough to bring help.

That all being said, Purdue had to earn this one. IU was playing like a Big Ten championship contender and was shooting the ball much better than Purdue on similar outside shots. Ballo was also a load that Purdue struggled to match up with and keep off the boards. Yet Purdue won and I point to several reasons: (1) points off of turnovers (which has been Purdue’s greatest strength in recent weeks) and (2) unbelievable offense by TKR, (3) Smith being Smith, (4) a really great all-around game from Harris, and (5) better ability to make plays in the last few possessions of the game. I don’t want to discount contributions from others, but those guys really stepped up in my opinion.

when Leal and Galloway are what you're playing you're not going to win many games. Neither would be a starter at any major program other than IU.

 

[RossMackey]

While I agree, what do you guys ACTUALLY expect these guys to average from points and rebound and shooting %?

Do you guys understand how hard it is to just shoot 38%+ from 3 when you should 1-2 shots a game? Or go attack the rim when maybe that’s not your role and you’re told not to?

Just trying to put it out there that not all guys have to average 8 and 4 and shoot 50% from the floor. Painters system has role players next to his best players and that’s what those two are.

Purdue said goodbye to Mason Gillis in large part to enable Cam and Myles to have more prominent roles .

IMO each of these guys have spectacular potential, but neither one is consistently close right now to justifying that decision.