This and then some. Spack is still at Illinois State. If he was worth a damn he'd be elsewhere.
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This and then some. Spack is still at Illinois State. If he was worth a damn he'd be elsewhere.
This is the most "knuckleheaded" comment yet on this thread! So he'd only be worth hiring at this level if someone else had already hired him at this level? In which case, he wouldn't be available!
Wait til the bandwagon comes by so you can jump on!
So you attend Illinois State games regularly? Again with the not knowing what you don't know.
Let MBob decide and quit prejudging legit candidates on baseless opinion.
You must be getting a hard on for Spack. I think we all want a candidate that will bring us back to being a competitive program, but a majority of us do not think Spack will get the job done, end of story. and where is this "baseless opinion" you speak of? People are looking his previous body of work and forming an opinion off of it, nothing too spectacular by an FCS coach. Again with the not knowing what you don't know
You must be getting a hard on for Spack. I think we all want a candidate that will bring us back to being a competitive program, but a majority of us do not think Spack will get the job done, end of story. and where is this "baseless opinion" you speak of? People are looking his previous body of work and forming an opinion off of it, nothing too spectacular by an FCS coach. Again with the not knowing what you don't know
I've made it as clear as I can that I don't care if we hire Spack -- and I didn't start this thread.
And I don't object to people voicing an opinion -- even if it's an ignorant one -- but I do object to the knuckleheads beating their chests about stuff they know nothing about, like declaring that Spack wouldn't be a successful coach at Purdue, as if they know, or have an opinion based on anything beyond the superficial. Let MBob make the call and let's go with it. That's what we hired him for.
Nope -- don't know him -- never met him -- my opinion just differs from knucklehead group think.
That's original.
Hey, tell Spack I said hello after you're done polishing his balls.
Well, he should have called you an a$$hole, since you've just made it obvious that you are.
If Purdue settles for Spack then the football program might as well go away. It would set back program another 5+ yrs.
I'm not sure if what I read on here is "demands" from knuckleheads or simply an exchange of preferences and ideas. Maybe some of both, but hopefully more of the latter. I think most people realize MBob has access to more information to make this decision than anyone on here.
When the new coach is named, I expect/hope preferences to be laid aside, at least temporarily, and for everyone to realize there is more than one way to skin this cat and to get behind the coach.
With that said.. Spack is not the guy.
Obviously, no one on this board can "demand" anything, literally, from MBob or Purdue. And as you say, MBob has more info and is in a better position to judge than any of us. Which, given the support for Spack offered by the initial poster of this thread (which isn't me!) begs the question, what are you going to do if Spack is MBob's guy?
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They will bitch because 90% don`t know the man and how much knowledge he has about football If you trust Tiller then trust Spack
In that unlikely event I would support the decision. However, considering Spack's lack of star power and FBS head coaching experience, he might not have the same grace period from fans as some others coaches might. That's just human nature and must be taken into consideration.
While Spack isn't in my top 3, I do think he would be able to get us to respectable and bowl games consistently. He knows what type of recruit it takes to win at Purdue and can get them here. That's something Les Miles has no experience with and would be clueless with. I think the ceiling is rather low with Brock though, probably would top out with one season in 8 wins.
Fleck is the guy I want and any other coach would be a disappointment. However,I would much rather Spack at 2 million opposed to Miles at 3.5.
Fleck is the guy I want and any other coach would be a disappointment. However,I would much rather Spack at 2 million opposed to Miles at 3.5.
It's just nonsense to say Hope had a better resume coming out of FCS than Spack. Hope took over a traditional FCS power at EKU and won either 6 or 7 games in each of his first 4 seasons before winning 9 and losing in round 1 of the playoffs in his 5th and final year at EKU.
Spack took a formerly down and out ILL State program to a 13 win season in 2014 and the FCS championship game, losing by 2 points to perennial FCS power ND State. Last year, ILL State won 10 games and lost in the FCS 2nd round. This year they're only 5-5 in a brutally tough MVC but they beat Northwestern in Evanston.
Playoff level FCS teams are easily playing on par with the better MAC programs.
Spack is not my first choice -- I agree that his ceiling here may be below that of Fleck's -- but I also think Spack would bring us back to the top half of the B1G, and his body of work at ILL State is far superior to DH1's at EKU. Plus, Spack is still Tiller's choice and that says something -- it makes him a legit candidate who shouldn't be rejected by the "fans" out of hand.
Besides, law of transitivity doesn't apply here -- but if you want to get mathematical, ILL State beat Northwestern by 2 points this year, whereas WMU beat 'em by only 1, and Fleck has far greater resources at his disposal than Spack.
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Perhaps I missed something.. Has Tiller actually come out and endorsed Spack for the current opening in 2016? I mean, even if he thought of him as the heir apparent 10 years ago or whatever that is ancient history. Half the candidates on our list weren't even coaching D1 ball back then. Also Tiller knew back then our AD wasn't going to pay 2-3 million salary range. And Spack made some sense at the time for continuity sake. We weren't in need of a massive overhaul. Almost none of this applies to 2017.
Right, Tiller is an old man now, out of the game for 8 years -- clearly the knuckleheads know more. Btw, JT will not publicly endorse anyone except for the guy MBob hires, after it happens.
Thanks for clarifying. JT has not endorsed Spack, and nobody here knows who JT's pick would be under present circumstances.
Not even close.
The Missouri Valley Conference is a football powerhouse and Illinois State has historically been a weak member. Since 1978 Illinois State has made 6 appearances in the FCS playoff, Brock has taken them there three of those six times. Brock has won two Missouri Valley championships. Previously Illinois State had only won once. Brock took Illinois State to the FCS championship game.
JT would have more knowledge of what Brock is doing at Illinois State than anyone on this board. JT and Arnette spend a weekend with the Spacks and attend an Illinois State game every year.
No thanks. Maybe after Joe, but not now. He is about as sexy of a name to a High School player as ........ Danny Hope. I remember when we hired Hope. My brother (IU grad) called and said "you guys just hired Danny Hope as your coach" I said "You mean Brady Hoke?" He just started laughing. My point is we have hired enough "no-names". We need someone who kids know and recognize as a good coach.
The kids may be more informed than the average "knucklehead" and recognize Spack as a good coach, albeit not a "sexy" coach! Was Tiller a "sexy" coach, btw?
Tiller was an innovative coach. Will you please stop with the Spack love. We need someone with more to offer.
WE'RE NOT HIRING BROCK FUKKING SPACK!!!
JFC, shut up you idiot.
JFC, shut up you idiot.
Cleanface and Heiner, the quintenssential sort of "Knuckleheads" that hold Purdue football back. Hopefully MBob ignores your sort.
Go for the Glitz guys, the hell with substance!
Go for the Glitz guys, the hell with substance!
You left out a word, you're referring to "knucklehead reality" -- I think Tiller had a thread like this one in mind when he coined the term.
Showing your emotional age again, I see. I thinking you're regressing. Soon you'll be back in diapers, emotionally, of course.
Not just no.....but.....HELL NO. 59-34 as a head coach! Sorry, but it's time to look to someone much better than Spack.
".... and I'm right because I'm always right." Wow, you do live an alternative reality, don't you!
All I've done is support pb1941's suggestion that Brock should be considered for HC -- I even said Spack's not my first choice -- but anyone who doesn't dismiss Spack out of hand can't be tolerated by the knuckleheads here. But I'm the one who insists "I'm always right"? Wow!
Now go ahead and play 12-year old and "fix" my post to you reflect your reality.
Sorry your wrong,His record now 61-34 and the last 5 years its 42-20
Let me see if I understand your point: You don't want Spack but think he should be considered for the job.
Isn't the very act of talking about him, his record, and his past (as most on here have done) "considering" him? Instead of acknowledging the consideration people have put into the matter, you assume they are "dismissing him out of hand".
Please list what must be done, in your opinion, for someone to have respectfully considered Spack before they say "No thanks". I think I've done enough consideration on Spack.
