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God no. If Spack was a P5 coach he'd be somewhere already. Cut the damn cord.
If Brock Spack had no Purdue ties no one on this board would even think of mentioning him as a candidate.
Think about what you just said, he's 5-5 at Illinois State right now.
I know Purdue's down on it's luck right now but we're a B1G team that pulls in 40 mil plus a year from tv alone, not freaking Troy State.
Think about what you just said, he's 5-5 at Illinois State right now.
I know Purdue's down on it's luck right now but we're a B1G team that pulls in 40 mil plus a year from tv alone, not freaking Troy State.
Yea! That's what I want to spend $3MM on!!! An average G5 coach! Where do I buy season tickets?
A coach that has won over 60 games his first gig has turned down better jobs than Purdue. Hes been waiting till numb nuts retired and will take the job if offered. He knows how to recruite the Midwest and that is where we need to get a bunch of meat heads to shore up the offense and defensive lines.Remember we are Purdue not Ohio State or Michigan. 7 or 8 wins a year and your happy again.
Which p5 jobs has he turned down? Seems like a dumb thing to do.
Spack seems like a last resort. Plus he's come out and said he's not very interested.
The AD and search committee can find someone better (well, they better be able to...).
I appreciate Spack's past contributions and his history with the Boilers but let's leave it at that. History. No way he's the answer here. Mitch, MBob and the BOT have a great opportunity here. There are going to be quality coaches available for hire and I'm cautiously optimistic that we can get this next one right.
I agree pb1941, that Spack would be an excellent choice -- especially now that it appears the administration is committed to properly supporting football -- rather than milking it dry to support non-revenue sports and pet projects.
And Spack would certainly make a lot more sense than hiring some O$U coordinator with no HC experience, in the hope that proximity to Urban Meyer has resulted in the absorption of similar qualities.
But you can see from this thread what MB2 would be up against in hiring him, with the ignorant knuckleheads -- the same loser portion of our fan base that drove MB1 to deny Spack before -- so what did we get, DH1! Despite their limited knowledge of football, and what it will take to build a winner at Purdue, the knuckleheads demand the glitzy hire that satisfies their superficial understanding of what will bring success. Our best hope is that MBob is smart enough to ignore the knuckleheads and do what he thinks is right for the long term.
Yep. Still waiting to hear the list of football juggernauts that Spack has turned down waiting for his coveted Purdue role to open up.
So we should only hire coaches who have already turned down P5 jobs? ... about any one of which would be a better job than PU.
Spack turned down the DC job at Wisky late in his Purdue tenure because he was led to believe that he was Tiller's heir apparent.
Regardless, why do you care whether he's declined a P5 job? Because you don't yourself know whether he'd be a good HC at PU so you're trying to infer that from what others apparently think of him. Meanwhile, maybe others haven't given him a shot because others, before them, haven't?
At what point is a hiring decision made based on evaluation of a coach's ability by people who know him and have worked with him, rather than based on inferring it from what you think other think?!
If this board had been around in 1986, the knuckleheads would have loved the Fred Akers hire.
Most here are asking which p5 jobs spack has turned down simply because the op made that claim. I think we all know that this was a fabrication.
He's had 8 years at Illinois state. He's 38-23 in conference, which is decent. But aren't there tons of coaches at the fcs level with that resume? Why are you so convinced that he's more likely to win at Purdue than someone that has fbs coaching experience?
The only reason he's on the radar is because a loser portion of the fan base is stuck on this "must have Purdue ties". The same portion that probably loved the versyp, hope and Burke hires.
***that last paragraph is only directed at boilerbonz due to his using of the same wording/logic. It's not smart to call any portion of the fan base losers, especially based on who they like in a future HC.
He's had 8 years at Illinois state. He's 38-23 in conference, which is decent. But aren't there tons of coaches at the fcs level with that resume? Why are you so convinced that he's more likely to win at Purdue than someone that has fbs coaching experience?
The only reason he's on the radar is because a loser portion of the fan base is stuck on this "must have Purdue ties". The same portion that probably loved the versyp, hope and Burke hires.
***that last paragraph is only directed at boilerbonz due to his using of the same wording/logic. It's not smart to call any portion of the fan base losers, especially based on who they like in a future HC.
It just makes sense to hire a coach that has coached as a d/c at Wyoming and Purdue and a h/c at Ill. State. His connections to the high schools in Ind. and Illinois is a plus
News Flash guys...
Bobinski wasn't brought in to hire Brock Spack. My dog could've hired Spack.
Bobinski wasn't brought in to hire Brock Spack. My dog could've hired Spack.
No one ever credibly claimed Spack had declined a P5 HC job. Someone did dismiss Spack in several previous threads, asking if he was such a good DC at PU, then why didn't some P5 power try to steal him away? That led to the recollection -- from several who actually followed the Tiller years -- of Wisky trying to hire Spack away in about 2006.
Tiller, himself, coined the term "knucklehead" to describe the portion of our fan base that he believed were ignorant loud mouths. E.g., those who blamed Tiller for the drop off in recruiting without any consideration of the fact that MB1's failure to invest in football was making it impossible to compete with who we thought our peers should be.
And I'm certainly not suggesting that every poster on this board is a knucklehead. The knuckleheads today are those afflicted by a very dangerous cognitive bias -- they don't know what they don't know. And this leads to bad results, or losing, in all sorts of activities. Take investing, for example. Those who don't know what they're doing, but don't know that, tend to just follow what others have done or are doing, which leads to buying when the market is optimistic, selling when the market is pessimistic, and thus poor long-term returns. It's called the "bandwagon effect." Investors who fall for this would do better with professional management.
There's a parallel to it on this board in those who want to hire the current glitzy coach, or the once big name coach, because the knuckleheads can naively project success from such a hire, but all they're doing is jumping on the bandwagon, as we did with DH2, or Fred Akers before.
I don't know that Spack would be successful at Purdue. For that matter, we don't know if Fleck or Miles would be either? The difference between the knuckleheads on this board versus myself and many others (the non-knuckleheads, if you will), is that we don't pretend to know who we should hire, and we don't dismiss legitimate candidates based on hearsay, the latest ESPN report, or because they're not the coach dujour.
I'm more concerned about the decision making process than the decision, because I don't know what the right decision would be -- nor does anyone else here. I.e., I would like to see MBob, and his advisors, focus on trying to hire the guy they think can win here at Purdue in the long run, as opposed to hiring the guy that will placate the knuckleheads, for now.
My guess is, if we brought in the top 10 candidates and let your dog choose, he/she would be more likely to select a coach who would actually be successful at Purdue than would the knuckleheads. And I would certainly be more comfortable with MBob consulting your dog's opinion, over that of any of the knuckleheads on this board. And I'll add, your dog's selection would probably be better than my own (if it was up to me, and thank goodness it's not).
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I will say Fleck and Miles will bring in just as good recruits if not better than the ones Spack would. Fleck is somewhat of a showman in recruiting, and I think that would be great in jumpstarting the program. Miles would bring in some just off name recognition, although there is no telling if that would last.
I don't get the love with Spack...right now.
He's not the guy to get us out of this cesspool.
I don't feel "the love" with Spack, or any other candidate. But I do think Spack should be considered, rather than dismissed out of hand based on assumptions and half truths.
He'll be considered when Bobinski has gone through candidates A,B,C,D,E,and F
That's not the point. The point is, MBob should feel free to evaluate all the candidates and select one based purely on whether they're likely to build Purdue football into a sustainable winner -- rather than based on what he thinks will draw the most immediate favorable reaction from the fan base, especially since the fan bases' "opinion" is too often confused with that of the knuckleheads.
Exactly. And the conclusion he'll come to is that Spack isn't the answer.
That's your opinion,we all have a opinion just like assholes. I have one and I hope you do
Thank you for illustrating my point about how "Not Knowing What You Don't Know" is a very dangerous cognitive bias.
Ok, well, call me in 4 weeks when Spack is still at ISU
If you're going to call me an asshole just call me an asshole.That's your opinion,we all have a opinion just like assholes. I have one and I hope you do
Asshole
I'm thinking that reading comprehension wasn't your strong point at Purdue?
He wasn't calling you an a$$hole, btw.
While you're at it, tell us who's going to win on Tuesday and, better yet, what's the stock market going to do for the rest of the year? Or even better yet, tell us what your dog thinks!
I think the Spack ship has sailed. Maybe he would have been a good hire instead of Hope. Who knows.
And who disagrees with this? Not me.
My point is there are 60+ P5 schools. In the past three years roughly 20-25 of them have hired new coaches. There's no cognitive bias here...everyone on the hiring ADs knows more about college football than I do. And not a single one even made a phone call to Spack (as far as been reported or made public). That's not bias...that's the reality of who Spack is. A good FCS coach. An OK assistant coach. Seems like a good guy. But that's it.
As someone else said earlier, we went outside the family for our AD (thank God). And he'll likely do the same. He wasn't brought in to hire Spack.
I have said it before and will say it again. Hiring will be tough and offering $3-4-5 million may or may not work. How is that hire at Texas working out? How did Kiffin work out at Tennessee and USC. How did glamour hires of Brady Hoke, Charely Weis, Bielma etc etc work out. Way too many factors and metrics to figure a cinch. Spack should be considered-whether he is a fit or someone else is MB2's decision not ours. I'll live AND die with his pick. he just needs to be "right".
You're right that it's very difficult to hire a surefire "home run" BUT many of us are pretty confident in stating that Spack is not a guy that can take Purdue football to peak Tiller-levels or higher.
But for the many who are pretty confident about "knowing" this about Spack, the more relevant question is, what do your dog's think? Because at least your dogs know what they don't know!
What's the point in prejudging Spack? Let MBob make the call, and then let's support it, whether it's Fleck, Miles, Spack, or whomever!
The point is we've seen Spack's body of work as a head coach. Purdue can do better than him.
You're making my point. You admit that you don't know enough about Spack to judge him, so you're left to infer what you think others know about him based on the limited information available to you.
Why bother? We have an AD who knows as much, if not more than, all those ADs who you admit know more than you (or me). Let him make the call and then let's go with it, rather than prejudging some like Spack on baseless opinion.
