Hazell has been fired. Just like I said. 
I am feeling great now......
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Lol owned. Guess your opinion is the one that the higher ups dont think much of.
Appears so. All that means is I think Bobinski pulled the trigger too early though. Unless he has Miles already on the hook, this timing made no sense.
Yes, it does. It gives them more time to start the coaching search.
He didn't need to fire Hazell to start looking for the next coach. If he's going into this blind like Burke did when we ended up with Hazell then he is a fool like Burke was. Hope we don't end up with Hazell The Second as our next head coach because another 3-4 years of this will kill the athletic department. Hope he knows what he's doing.
Maybe the BOT wants a search committee, and you can't do that until you fire Haze.
Why the hell do we need a search committee after it worked so brilliantly last time. If we didn't hire an athletic director that is capable of hiring a good football coach then we botched that hire too. That is really the top decision any athletic director at a P5 school makes.
Morgan Burke was the athletic director when Hazell was hired. He's not the AD anymore (in theory).
Sometimes, a person in that position values the insight and opinions of others instead of ignoring them and making the decision solely their own.
You called it. I didn't expect them to have the cajones to do it. Really, it isn't that risky to fire the worst coach in school history, but it still isn't something Burke would've likely done. I hope we can get someone to right the ship.
Calling BS on this one simply because you can't possibly know that. On top of that, I'm pretty sure Barry Alvarez does the hiring and firing for Wisconsin. Does he have to get a sign off? I'm sure any multi million dollar contract at a public university does.
You don't know anymore than I do, however to think one man makes the decision 100% on his own is unlikely.
Ok so I guess everyone here bitching about Burke botching the Hope and Hazell hires had it wrong all along. Wasn't his decision right?
When did I ever say it wasn't his decision? As an AD, it's ultimately up to him to choose who he wants, but all I'm saying is he probably didn't make this decision solely on his own. So you're telling me that Burke handled the Hazell and Hope hire 100 percent on his own without input from other people... ?It's not that black and white dude.
I could possibly see it being that black and white for guys like Tom Osborne or Barry Alvy, but not Morgan and DEFINITELY not Bobinski. Hell, he just started.
However, any good leader takes advice from others, and forms committees to gain different insights and perspectives. Not sure why they would want to make the decision 100% on their own.
I've never been a fan of the "outside search committee" being involved. There aren't enough people at PU that know wtf is going on in the CFB world?? Maybe the committee vets the coaches and does legwork, not sure. If that's the case then OK, I can see it. If it's just about hiring the right guy, I would think we'd have enough Purdue minds that could come together and make a decision (alum, ex-players, ex-admins, etc etc) for their school.
However, any good leader takes advice from others, and forms committees to gain different insights and perspectives. Not sure why they would want to make the decision 100% on their own.
I've never been a fan of the "outside search committee" being involved. There aren't enough people at PU that know wtf is going on in the CFB world?? Maybe the committee vets the coaches and does legwork, not sure. If that's the case then OK, I can see it. If it's just about hiring the right guy, I would think we'd have enough Purdue minds that could come together and make a decision (alum, ex-players, ex-admins, etc etc) for their school.
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I don't think I ever said that either. I am saying that the AD makes the ultimate decision in most cases. So basically you're trying to argue a point that was never made. Nice job.
Was never arguing, only discussing. That seems to be your problem on this board... Turning everything into a bigger deal than it is and twisting words to always be 'right' and not actually attempting to reason with others. I try to reason with you dude, seems hard to when you act smart towards others.
and what I was discussing was its not solely on the AD to make the decision. You said it was. I stated what I believed to be true as did you, but I don't think anyone believes Burke handled it without input from multiple people.
Burke made the final decision, never said he didn't make that call... As I've stated 4 or 5 times all I'm saying is it wasn't SOLELY his decision.
No this is different because when Burke fired Hope he fired a coach that was actually not brain dead, took 2 teams to crappy but still bowl games, and never had double digit L's in a season. Burke actually fired a coach who could win games, versus a guy who cant and hasn't at Purdue. A monkey throwing darts at a wall with plays written on it couldn't have done worse than DH2. Any of the Grad students on the staff could do better than DH2, and it it weren't for some bad FG kicking DH2 could have been 1-5 before his firing. Given the situation it looks like there were no more W's left on the schedule anyway ... Dumping him now to start the search is the right thing to do. We need to find out how toxic the position is to the available applicants.
Good post. Don't necessarily agree with this timing still but you did a great job of articulating the opposing view. I think that you could still contact agents and things privately to determine interest even if you hadn't fired Hazell right now. But you are correct, it seems extremely unlikely that the team would have won enough games to change the outcome whether it be now or a month from now. Was actually discussing this with my family at the game on Saturday and I said that I would at least have him go coach at Nebraska next week (as punishment if nothing else) and then maybe pull the trigger before the next home game if they get blown out at Nebraska. At the end of the day the decision was almost surely going to be the same. Just a matter of when.
That said, I still feel like our position is not an easy one to fill. A candidate who can get us to where we want to be AND that we can go get might not come along every year and I think that was the biggest problem with firing Hope when we did imo. With the players we lost off Hope's last team and our schedule the following season, I'd have let him come back the next season if I wasn't sure I could land someone capable of doing a better job. It seems obvious to me that Butch Jones was option 1A and he met with Burke and appeared to have absolutely no interest in pursuing it any further. The NIU coach also appeared to be high on our list and I'm not even sure if we got to meet with him before he went to NC State. So down the list we went and ended up with Hazell who has been one of the worst hires in Big Ten history.
You're right. We aren't going to do much worse with whoever the next coach is. However, averaging 4-5 wins a season as opposed to 2-3 isn't going to bring fans back. Hope was winning 6 games a year over his last 2 seasons and fans didn't support the team. For our sake, I hope there is someone out there that we can get that can get us to 7+ wins a season eventually (obviously not going to happen in year 1) and I hope that we can identify him and land him.
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