Clearly every P5 team does not have the talent to win six games. I have no idea how you think that.
How Soon We Forget The LSU Bowl Game
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First, every isn't most, so you're already changing it. Second, roughly 70ish teams have a .500 or greater record in the last 20+ years, which means almost half of teams have a less than .500 record over that time. Third, many of the teams who squeak by often do it by getting a win against an FCS team, or playing a record that's light on good teams. So there's going to be a team even less talented than Purdue who will squeak to .500 and make a bowl game not because they are one of the top 80 or so teams in talent level but because they didn't play Purdue's schedule which is one of the toughest ranked in the country this season.
If we’ve recruited in that top 70 every year…shouldn’t we have the talent to be in the top 70? If we aren’t, doesn’t that suggest that something else would be the issue?
I wouldn’t call what you’re trying mental gymnastics…you’re just falling on your ass and not scared to double down on a bad opinion. Congrats!
Recruiting rankings are not actual talent levels. They are tons of misses every season. Four stars who bust, 2 stars who blow up.
So no it's not ipso facto that having a top 70 recruiting ranking means you have top 70 talent. Particularly as you get closer to that 70 number which the last three of Brohms classes average out to 58 I believe.
All it takes is a handful of those "3s" really being "2s" for that talent evaluation to drop 10s of levels and even then it's a guess based on high school scouting and sometimes not even much scouting at all.
I know that's complicated for you, so I'm sure you'll want to stick with a 58 recruiting ranking literally meaning the 58th most talented group.
LOL. Coming off 9 and 8 win seasons and you’re doubting the talent that was left over. Cmon man. The teams problems are easy to see. I can’t help you that you choose to ignore them and scapegoat somebody else for the current coaches incompetence.
This is insane. List the players left over, not transfers, that are high level P5 talent. Or if you take exception to "high level" then tell me who would be starting or at least have a reasonable role for a team like, say, Minnesota.
Did you think the OL was really talented coming into the season?
The QBs? lol
The secondary? lol
The LB? lol
I know you'll say the WRs and TEs are. Those guys are probably good enough to be better than 2-6, but certainly not upper echelon.
Ooo, I know, the specialists. LMAO
You are completely out of your mind trying to convince yourself that the returning roster was chock full of talent. Just completely ridiculous.
Yes because there's this thing called graduation and transfer and the key players on those teams, ya know, did those things.
Correct so he matured and coached the talent. Some left. Now it is the next coaches job to do the same. But he simply can't. He sucks.
Again, for those in the back, it's possible for a coach to be bad AND the talent on the team to be lacking at the same time.
They are not mutually exclusive.
No one here is arguing Walters has done anything but a poor job. Fire him tomorrow for all I care, not that doing so will make any good coaches actually want to come here.
But this idea that this team is filled with talent is fairly ridiculous. It's as if this entire winter and Spring and Summer when almost everyone on here was talking about how tough our schedule was, how much quality we had lost, how little we had coming in has been replaced by a bizarro universe history that this was a team on the come up but for Walters.
Brohm would have MAYBE gotten the team as it currently sits to six wins. 7 Tops. He loses at least one of Fresno State and Syracuse. He probably splits Neb and Iowa (I'd guess he'd beat Iowa). He loses to OSU and Wisconsin. He loses to Michigan. And he probably loses one more after that.
no prob, you mentioned LSU so I mentioned Oregon, how they change coaches pretty much but the next guy walks into a loaded roster
really like that last paragraph, he had trouble beating Minn and NW
Schedules are made years in advance. Why is it so difficult to understand this?
I understand wasn't born yesterday ,don't care what year in advance you play UMass or Delaware, they are never going to be competitive against a BIG10 team
How soon we forget the talents of a coach that can manage the roster he has and schemes accordingly..........
Wasn't it his brother that coached that team in the bowl game? Wasn't he using Jeff's "schemes" or was he just "winging" it? I didn't forget it. Where was Jeff? Oh that's right, he dumped Purdue on the doorstep and fled for Louisville and left his incompetent brother to lead the charge against LSU. And what a charge it was!
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Really embarrassing coaching by Brohm in the bowl game considering how loaded the roster was. Terrible scheming, failure to put all that talent in position to succeed.
Yes it was ridiculous. Brees tried to rally people but Brohm leaving had so throughly trashed team morale along with those opting out, that we would have been better off to forfeit. Big Ten West Champs and get steamrolled in the bowl game. I went to the BT championship game and it was kinda cool to be there even if I knew we had squeaked in with an 8-4 record. Soon after the championship Brohm announces he's leaving, Brian agrees to coach(if that is what you want to call it) the bowl game at the urging of Bobinski (which I thought was stupid) and it turns out to be a disaster and an embarrassment.
The thing you don’t see is that the other conferences see us as the cupcake but with the benefit of being in a P5 conference. Bobo doesn’t understand this either.
This is silly. When you take the 6 best players off your team you’re going to suffer. Especially playing the SEC runner up who’s down only 1 player.
Having a portal period, recruiting class and 2 camps prepares you for the next season to do better than 4-8. Sorry you don’t know ball.
Blah, blah, blah. Your hero went 4-8 3 years in. That is MUCH worse than going 4-8 in your first year. You are also the one that thought Brady Allen was the second coming. How stupid was that? You thought he would start for us this year! You know ball? LMAO You know squat.
When did I say any of that?
HINT: I didn’t.
Look, Brohm did t take Card and wait 10 weeks to use him in the run game.
Brohm went 4-8 after going to 2 bowls. Walters went 4-8 after his team went 8-5 and won the division.
Sorry you can’t tell the difference!
When you saw Bennett Meredith you know why they didn’t put card in harms way. Once Ryan Browne had shown he can play a little all the sudden you see card running wild. This season could have gotten really ugly with Meredith playing. I hope he hits the portal
I’m just joking around, it was obvious that we were getting blown out in that game with all the guys who weren’t playing, and no coach who’s ever lived could have won that game.
But those guys were everything and they’re gone. You can’t get around the fact that the team you saw that day is what returned. You can get better with the portal and we did but I can’t wrap my head around thinking that the roster you saw out there was ok. It was clearly going to be difficult to turn that into a good team.
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But we played 2 teams the caliber of LSU all year. We don’t have to play 12 of them.
We brought in 34 guys to hopefully replace the 10 or so we’d actually miss. Then got worse. We weren’t going to fully replace all 10 but we did nothing to cover up for our shortcomings. All of Brohms teams had shortcomings…we were good because our staff minimized them instead of accentuating them.
That’s on the staff for not being able to identify Browne as better than Meredith. Took most of us about 20 game minutes…
He was a true freshman you ****ing moron. Look at a true freshman playing for Florida state. Standing there all day.
So Brohm was a shitty coach because he couldn't choose between Jack Plummer and Aiden O'Connell for like 3 years?
Hint: you have a selective memory
Brohm went 4-8 with HIS guys 3 years in. Walters went 4-8 with a team left decimated by Brohms departure. Walters had Brohm's guys, what was left of them, against a tougher schedule than Brohm had to play and NO starting quarterback. He had to get Card from the portal.
Sorry you can't tell the difference. Being such a football expert as you seem to think you are it is amazing you can't see the forest for the trees.
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But but CJB coached in the era of conferences West/East and poor inexperienced CRW had to coach in an 18 team league. I can hear it now.......
I'll blame whoever deserves it. Unlike you, I'll wait to see what happens instead of trashing everyone. Who did you blame in year 3 of Brohm? Certainly wasn't Brohm right? You know what? I didn't blame Brohm in year 3 either. I wondered what was going on, I saw the injuries, I didn't like it but I didn't trash him and talk about what a terrible job he was doing. Like Walters, Brohm was always lousy in the red zone. It was an obvious game management flaw. But you take what you get with these coaches and you give them time to adjust. Your constant trashing of Walters has been ridiculous and obnoxious and wrong.
I liked Brohm as a coach. I felt like his leaving and the way he did it was disrespectful of Purdue and especially how he handled the bowl game. Similar to the way that Kelly left Cincy and ND and I never liked or respected him afterward. Maybe there is no good way to leave. All I know is the way it was done devalued all he accomplished and tarnished Purdue. Brohm was elevated to a Big Ten coach from Western Kentucky and made a multi millionaire. I know it seems that coaching has gone this way, but it doesn't mean I have to like it and I don't. I also don't have to like someone that treats my Alma Mater that way and I don't and never will.
Wow, you really know how to pick low hanging fruit..... My comment was centered on the games he coached in over his span at Purdue Hopefully CRW can catch up over the next 5 seasons that he will be with Purdue.
Let's lower the the competition bar so that we can lessen the learning curve for our inexperienced coach..... Sounds like a move that Indiana might do...........
Let's play in the MAC for the next three years so CRW can gain some experience!!
No one has picked any lower hanging fruit than you have. Walters won't be here 5 years if he doesn't win.
Um, looks like the competition is going to be tougher than anything your hero faced.
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