Was any action proposed to their students like they said they were going to do when our students will chanting Fire Walters?
Was any action proposed to their students like they said they were going to do when our students will chanting Fire Walters?
What's funny is... under a Knight coached IU team, those players probably would not even been dressed in uniform after half time, & definitely would not have played. Woody not only let them play, but played the entire second half. There is no dicipline on that team. How someone could chose IU over Purdue when the could come in and play a key role is beyond me. Like others said, they aren't a Purdue fit if that is there thinking.The names and faces have changed, but the story remains the same.
IU has no choice. They have to replace Woody. I always felt he was a class act who represented the university well. It's a shame that his legacy will be that the finacial and other support he received was the envy of any other program, but he failed so badly the fans were literally screaming for him to be fired.
From hero to zero.
Best way to not get boo'd is to actually put forth some effort. I mean the crowd tried their best to hype the team while down 20 but the players just didn't care. Players and coach don't care, why should the fans?Remind me of the Travis Perry commitment to Kentucky before Cal left - you just knew it didn't matter, he wanted to play for Kentucky regardless of the coach. I tend to think Sisley stays unless the new coach doesn't honor his scholarship, which would basically nuke in state recruiting. Only reason I see him backing off the commitment, overall toxicity of the fan base. Rag on IU all you want but that is tough to see fans actively booing you at home. If you are a parent talking to your kid, you might keep that in mind.
I don't know what the solution is for IU on the coaching front. I felt like having Fife and Matta being on staff set him up for success to handover the team in 2-3 years after reviving the team. Then came the exodus, not sure the true story behind either leaving, and now he has surrounded himself with yes men.
I don't think it is an easy answer to fix the program especially when you hit the restart button every 3-4 years.
This is what you get when you buy an entire team. This forum brought that up quite a few times before the season started and it looks like it has all come true... quicker than I thought, but true regardless.What's funny is... under a Knight coached IU team, those players probably would not even been dressed in uniform after half time, & definitely would not have played. Woody not only let them play, but played the entire second half. There is no dicipline on that team. How someone could chose IU over Purdue when the could come in and play a key role is beyond me. Like others said, they aren't a Purdue fit if that is there thinking.
This is what you get when you buy an entire team. This forum brought that up quite a few times before the season started and it looks like it has all come true... quicker than I thought, but true regardless.
Issac HaasI don't think Painter would take him.
I can't recall any player he has taken after he had offered and they had gone somewhere else.
This is shocking. If a Purdue, Illinois, MSU or many other school's player put forth so little effort, they'd be sitting their ass on the bench the rest of the game.Best way to not get boo'd is to actually put forth some effort. I mean the crowd tried their best to hype the team while down 20 but the players just didn't care. Players and coach don't care, why should the fans?
How do you fix that though? I honestly think what has happened the past couple of coaching cycles might deter other names from coming. You could be committing career suicide.Best way to not get boo'd is to actually put forth some effort. I mean the crowd tried their best to hype the team while down 20 but the players just didn't care. Players and coach don't care, why should the fans?
Get a coach with a backbone. Archie was just in way over his head. But even Creans first 3 years of teams put in more effort. They just weren't good. Those teams were absolutely awful but they put in some effort. It comes from the top. Woodson sleep walks everywhere he goes. Players follow suit.How do you fix that though? I honestly think what has happened the past couple of coaching cycles might deter other names from coming. You could be committing career suicide.
That summarizes some on here too. But with a lot less playing experience.
But you also have to be a coach who is ready for the Big time. Archie wasn't. Woodson just absolutely sucks as a coach.How do you fix that though? I honestly think what has happened the past couple of coaching cycles might deter other names from coming. You could be committing career suicide.
It's the coach, not the method.This is what you get when you buy an entire team. This forum brought that up quite a few times before the season started and it looks like it has all come true... quicker than I thought, but true regardless.
Other than dusty banners and a bunch of old windbags telling stories of the glory days, what makes Woodson a legend to the students? He left IU as a player 35 years ago.I get the frustration and being over the Woodson experiment, but damn I couldn’t imagine my own student section chanting for a coach that was also a legendary player to be fired.
They do have a huge and rabid fan base. I’ll never forget 17,000+ showing up for Creans horrific 2008-2010 teams… and of course they have B1G money/facilities…How long have they changed coaches every 4-5 years (and counting) now? How they can recruit anything above a 3 star is beyond me.
Actually 45 years ago… the students PARENTS probably don’t remember Woodson at IU…Other than dusty banners and a bunch of old windbags telling stories of the glory days, what makes Woodson a legend to the students? He left IU as a player 35 years ago.
Students and fans who weren’t even born when he was a player sure as hell like to reference the programs accomplishments from that era.Other than dusty banners and a bunch of old windbags telling stories of the glory days, what makes Woodson a legend to the students? He left IU as a player 35 years ago.
Wish there was a doc of the IU/Sampson era.We did have a pimp. I'm assuming DeAndre Thomas. Can't convince me otherwise. And a drug dealer. Not sure which that one was. Would have had another but he was busted while in high school and that ruined his career. Bud Mackey. Busted dealing cocaine in Kentucky.
Well he's an IU legend. So that just makes him a legend. Kinda how it works. I mean I wasn't alive when George Washington was around but I'd consider him to be an American legend.Other than dusty banners and a bunch of old windbags telling stories of the glory days, what makes Woodson a legend to the students? He left IU as a player 35 years ago.
Exactly. But Dolson has shown that he can get it right with Cignetti, and unlike with basketball, that was truly working with a severe disadvantage.Sure. New coaches can bring success in basketball a lot easier than in football. IU is doing something wrong in their basketball coaching search though because it's been awhile since they've gotten a good one.
And how many fans hung around for the second half last night? There are some fun videos floating around of the mass exodus at halftime last night.They do have a huge and rabid fan base. I’ll never forget 17,000+ showing up for Creans horrific 2008-2010 teams… and of course they have B1G money/facilities…
I agree. As I understand it, Painter shows video to recruits of past Purdue stars, andtells them that he envisions using them the same way. If he sees Sisely as a stretch forward, I expect Painter showed him video of Hummel and Vince Edwards.Is he a Colin Hartman type or Robbie Hummel??
Odds on the former as Hummel was so so special.
Correct me if I'm wrong. The master plan involved the 3-headed monster for head coach. Woodson was the grizzled school hero with decades of NBA experience. Matta was the championship winning college coach with expertise in recruiting. And Fife was the young rising star with excellent recruiting skills and championship rings. The plan quickly disintegrated. The only thing that hasn't completely failed is recruiting. IU still gets top talent in the B2G.Well Glass went behind everyone's back and hired Archie. Buckner wanted Woodson then. Then if course Archie is fired and it hire Woodson. Then it's Woody gets 4 years because Archie did. Unfortunately, morons have ran the program into the ground. Crean was okay. Probably could have succeeded at IU with NIL. Sampson was problematic at the time... On things that are of course legal now. Sampson would have absolutely killed it at IU. Who runs the show is incredibly important. But they've really screwed the pooch the last two times.