As I sit in dismay staring at the wrapped Eva Hudson NIL jerseys I bought to give my family for Christmas I can't help but wonder how long until men's basketball gets poached. There is a reason we are seeing so many high level teams with so many 4th and 5th year players. My nightmare is that some big dollar program decides they are just a point guard away from the Natty and decide to throw a Brink's truck of cash at Smith. Does he take a couple Mil for one year and a chance for a real run at another FF or does he hang around and hope DJ heals and a bunch of sophomores start playing like seniors? It would be hard to fault him either way. He probably will make more in NIL than ever will as a pro. It is one thing for a Haarms, Newman or Isaiah Thompson to move down to get PT but in the NIL world our all-conference or even an all-american could get bought by big money from a top ten team. The unlimited transfer and unrestricted NIL have destroyed the NCAA. God bless Painter if he sticks around and is able to navigate this nonsense.
How long can Boiler Basketball avoid being portaled?
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Yeah saw the VB news earlier today.
Closer to just getting off the train rather than buckling up for for these NIL and portal ventures.
Closer to just getting off the train rather than buckling up for for these NIL and portal ventures.
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At minimum I’ll end up cutting my DISH sports package and all these streaming subscriptions, if it starts happening in hoops too.
Buy tickets every now and then on StubHub if I get an itch to see a game.
Gonzaga came after Braden after his fresh year. He could be tempted after this year.
I'm not so worried about losing guys on the roster. We do a pretty good job of compensating comensurate with their longevity and production. We use our NIL for retention. We also spend $0 for acquisition.
Because we are filled with old school folks who just want to complain about how much better it was in the old days instead of getting with the new way and embracing it.
It's not like we don't have plenty of money both from alumni and being in the Big 10.
Pretty obvious answer. You spend money to recruit talent and retain talent.
Or you don't spend it on recruitment and end up with talent that maybe you are paying them well but they can get the same money and compete at a higher level somewhere else. Or you don't spend on retention but do spend on talent and then you have to hope each mishmash works out each season.
We spend on retention but the moment a few players don't pan out, that's going to get stressed.
Seems to me the ideal is a hybrid model where you pay for one or two top players every 1-2 seasons (while still looking for fit and culture) and you pay to retain your top 5-6 players. Thus, setting up a team with 6-8 talented and experienced players you can mix in with recruits.
They actually showed "some" interest before Braden went to Purdue
I see that being possible for Purdue. One area it gets a bit more difficult for Purdue is the huge number of sets Purdue uses currently versus if that is maintained down the road...
Pretty easy, they basically just worry about men's basketball. Football teams are huge and really spread that dollar amount out, then you add Volleyball and all the other sports it can really get diluted quickly depending on how many pots you are trying to fill.
By using NIL money for retention, Painter is prioritizing Smith and his teammates. I like the approach. Now how Purdue competes in overall NIL dollars? That I don’t really know. It seems to be middle of the road for a power conference school, but I am not really sure. I would like to see the basketball program get an overweighted share given its success and what it means to the university.
Agree retention is priority #1, and fending off the poachers for our big 3 is paramount. Yes, Braden will be expensive. Still, I can't imagine any coaching staff that doesn't utilize portal improvement with space available.
Overall in today's college landscape you target 4-6 guys with most of the available dollars. The rest of the team are recruits you are developing.....those might take some cash, but nothing like the top guys. Here a few guys is what it's all about. And next year this team needs another "guy". I expect the portal will attempted to be used to add him.
They really only have to prioritize basketball. Same with Connecticut.
Few things.
1. I don't think we want to know what happens behind the scenes in the murky waters of NIL and agents. The situation is basically worse than professional sports because they have standards and aren't allowed to contact until someone is a free agent.
2. We will probably see someone jump.... I am not sure who and won't speculate. It is just a reality, the world has changed and we will see it. It has been said that Gonzaga came hard after Braden and I am sure he will have people banging down his door with massive amounts of money.....
1. I don't think we want to know what happens behind the scenes in the murky waters of NIL and agents. The situation is basically worse than professional sports because they have standards and aren't allowed to contact until someone is a free agent.
2. We will probably see someone jump.... I am not sure who and won't speculate. It is just a reality, the world has changed and we will see it. It has been said that Gonzaga came hard after Braden and I am sure he will have people banging down his door with massive amounts of money.....
I just hope that Painter does not get disillusioned and frustrated with this wild, wild west process and get out like the Virginia coach did.
Obviously part of it was because we were a trainwreck but I watched about 6 quarters of Purdue football games this year (parts of 3 games).
On the basketball side, I chose to play golf Saturday rather than watch the A&M game. I forgot it was on until a buddy said we were down 4 in the 2nd half. And when I saw we lost, I decided against watching it later.
Not sure how much is NIL/Portal fueled apathy, re-prioritization on my part (I do like to play golf) or a one off occurrence but that would never have happened just a few years ago.
Others here would know better, I have no inside knowledge, but I’d wager that some combination of three things is happening with volleyball. 1) Purdue’NIL isn’t competitive for existing players so that top players can earn much more at other schools 2) the players lack faith in DS and staff to get them to a FF / NC 3) there are other cultural issues at play.
I have no reason to believe that #3 is true but #1 and 2 certainly seem likely.
My first reaction was to be pissed at the players, but this is a Purdue thing. If they’re going to have teams compete at the highest levels they’re going to need to figure out a way to keep the $ competitive. Unfortunate that these ladies felt they had to leave to get the $ / success they were after. Cautionary tale.
Volleyball is pretty much 6-8 schools that can win it every year, unfortunately it seems Purdue is in that 10-15 tier that always makes the final 16 and occasionally a elite 8, never a Final 4. It’s always Nebraska, Wisky, Penn State that win Big Ten titles, Purdue is 4-5th place level.
I agree that you have the Standford, Texas, Penn State, Wisky Nebraska's dominating but teams like Louisville, Pitt, Kentucky, etc. have also broken through at times. It's definitely not like MBB where it seems that there's a wider range of teams with a legitimate chance to win it, but with Purdue's recruiting they seemed to have a shot at making that leap. Obviously it didn't happen this season and this will be difficult to deal with.
I think that Painter will use the portal, as he did with Lance Jones, but what I don’t think he will do is overpay relative to the returning players. Doing so sets a bad precedent because the money effectively comes from the returning players. Painter would prefer to reward the guys who have been with the program all along.
I am not sure. They are an independent, so I am sure that they are not scheduling the hardest opponents that they can. Now, when they were part of the Big East in the early 2000s, I believe football was much more of a priority back then than it is now.
Purdue didn’t do much against the top competition this year although they pushed Nebraska to 5 games at their place. But, Agee on the tourny fade.
Just like in basketball, good regular season team , but rarely make a deep tournament run.
Yeh, I think "good old fashioned" fandom is on the way out.
Congratulations whoever thinks this is a win. The players I guess.
Won't be much NIL money for them when we stop giving a ****.
The sky is not falling. Good grief after Braden/Fletch/TKR we still have DJ/Raleigh/Cam/Myles and the frosh guards. Plus the kids coming next 2 seasons......I'll take that team.
I have no idea whether that next group of guys can play or not but it's been a long time since Painter ran a bunch of bums out there (sorry Tacos and Sauce).
All speculation but I do not think a portal guy(s) will be close to Braden Smith $ figure. I can see the RIGHT guy if it's a starting 4/5 approaching what the other top starters get though.
I’m fine with that if they are not overpaid relative to the returning players. If someone is going to be paid like Fletcher Loyer, he better be a proven high level contributor.
How much can a college volleyball player really get from a collective? 25K at most?
It's entertaining, but I'd be absolutely shocked if VB makes anything, and even more shocked if alums are writing big checks at other schools for something with so little exposure/national interest.
They either don't like coach/team chemistry or want to win a Natty and don't think they can at Purdue. I'd be shocked if NIL is factor in VB. It all goes to Football, MBB, and the Caitlin Clarks.
It's entertaining, but I'd be absolutely shocked if VB makes anything, and even more shocked if alums are writing big checks at other schools for something with so little exposure/national interest.
They either don't like coach/team chemistry or want to win a Natty and don't think they can at Purdue. I'd be shocked if NIL is factor in VB. It all goes to Football, MBB, and the Caitlin Clarks.
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That's probably the general direction Purdue will go.....if they can find the right fit guy willing for our situation.
But in a speculative "what if" world of course there are guys, with an unlimited checkbook, I would add to this team and pay as much or MORE than Braden. No question. Just wish we had that cash and maybe more importantly the cashe. Lol
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I believe Braden makes over 2 million now not counting merchandise. Purdue pays as well as most but there are some with deep pockets. Game has changed.
