Starts to catch up with us? Have you watched this team the last 3 years?
How are season ticket sales going?
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My point is that the only reason we haven't sucked worse, is because we had Hope's recruits instead of Haze's.
If Haze's recruiting has been worse than Hope's, and I think it has, then we could actually get worse, now that Hope's guys are gone and we are trotting out Darrell's 4 classes that were all ranked somewhere between 11-14 in the B1G.
That's why I don't think another 2 win season is out of the realm of possibility.
lets hope if it is another terrible season , its the last one for a long time with a new coach, staff and team attitude
More false narrative. You realize that Hope had us in the bottom 3 in recruiting the in conference every year but 1 right?
8th in 2010? According to who?
If you use composite rankings, highest is 7th...other years are all bottom 3.
No one said Hope was a good recruiter, Just that Hazell is worse.
Your statement was incorrect. According to Rivals, he had 2 classes that didn't not finish in the bottom 3. You said he had 1. ALL of Hazells have finished 11-14.
And If I had to guess, hope's 4 classes probably had a much higher national ranking on average as well. I would do the math on that, but I really don't care that much.
No way Hope was a "poor recruiter." He simply had nothing to sell in terms of facilities relative to the schools we'd like to be competitive with in recruiting.
Also- just noticed that this post was the first post on this forum since Nat100 posted at 2:45 PM on Friday. Almost 3 full days without a post on this forum. That has to be some type of record for mid July. Everyone else must be just as excited for this season as I am.
I genuinely think the team has an opportunity to be better. That said, 5-6 wins is the absolute ceiling with 3-4 being more likely. I think we are a better Xs and Os football team this year but talent and depth will bite us in the ass and cost us some games we could have won vs. teams with better talent.
Everybody is ready to move on from the Hazell era it seems. As much as I defend him, you can count me in that boat too. I'm just hoping that TAMU fires Sumlin this year after another 9+ win season and we get the opportunity to snap him up.
A lot of that falls on Spavital, his ex OC the past few years. Unpopular hire and never had the full backing of the fans. He got fired this past march.
Its tough to land the #1 Pro style QB and then the #1 Dual threat QB in subsequent years and keep them both happy....splitting playing time and trying to mold the same system around them when it really fit neither of them. I get that you don't turn down two #1 QBS....but keeping them happy at the same time is another thing, especially when both expect to play.
I agree, but let's face it: we are not going to get a coach with a 100% clean Pedegree at this point. If we get a proven P5 head coach, it'll be one with some sort of question Mark. Other than that, it'll be another MAC flavor of the month, or an unproven assistant.
I'd settle for a proven MAC coach rather than a "flash in the pan" recommended by a guy who couldn't beat anybody unless he had twice their talent. What ever made Burke think that Jim Tressel was some guru?!
Considering our last team to go to the Rose Bowl was built around a recruiting class ranked dead last in the conference, I believe it is only fair to judge how a coach recruits by the end results and not some moronic class ranking that attempts to compare recruiting classes of different sizes recruited to meet the needs of different programs that will be developed by different coaches.
I can tell you this much. Danny Hope was recruiting well enough to make bowl games his last two seasons here (because we did) and Hazell has lost many games (because we have) since taking over where talent wasn't the main reason we lost.
Hazell is the issue we have now. If you can't see that then you are blind.
You can recruit 10th in the conference and still make bowl games. Usually 10 BIG teams make bowls. 6-6 wasn't cutting it with Hope. It was time to move on. How many Hope recruits have stuck in the NFL? Not many.
If that is the metric, Tiller left hope 5 players that were drafted. Hope left Hazell 4 players that have been drafted with Replogle still to go.
Bad carpenters blame their tools.
I think this is my whole point. There's not a ton of difference between Hazell and Hope to me. Both were coaches that don't belong on this level. That's all. Hope being made out to be a good recruiter is hilarious. NIN was IGNORED while he was here and we've still, 4 year later been unable to repair that damage.
How many Hope recruits stuck in the NFL isn't the issue. Hope recruited well enough to field decent B1G teams -- albeit not up to our wishes, though those have since been revised downward.
The point is, Hope's recruiting isn't to blame for Hazell's epic failure. Granted, Hazell may have gone .500 if he'd inherited OSU-type talent, but that isn't going to happen at PU, under any HC.
There may not be a big difference between them to you but there is a big difference in their records. Blaming Hope for Hazell's failures is beyond ridiculous at this point. A bowl game is not a huge accomplishment but we have not even been remotely close to one under Hazell. We didn't lose to Marshall last year because of lack of talent. Ditto on Bowling Green. Hope didn't do damage to Indiana recruiting that is still lasting today. Hazell winning 6 games in 3 years is why he can't recruit Indiana very well. Losses to IU and MAC teams are why he can't recruit Indiana very well. Hope has nothing to do with Purdue recruiting Indiana in 2016.
morgans biggest mistake in the hazell hire was forcing him to work with the "all star" oc and dc that burke picked out. hazell didnt want them and to hear that drew brees stated that he could never play for a coach like schoop is very telling. the new oc seems to be able to break down the same offense and present it in a manner that the players can understand and execute. hopefully blough will be able to make better decisions as well as the line now knowing their blocking scheme which under schoop was chaos. only time will tell if that is enough with the talent we have.
So Burke -- rather than Hazell -- selected Hudson and Shoop?! And when did Brees say he couldn't play for a coach like Shoop? Not doubting you -- just wondering?
No. The "all star mandate" was given. Burke didnt make the selections.
sorry but the decision was made by morgan and this came out last year at a meeting attended by current and former players and coaches to discuss the state of purdue football.
IF true, it's also possible that Burke was willing to take the fall in order to buy Hazell more goodwill with some of the boosters. 3 years of the worst football Purdue has ever seen already falls on Burke no matter who made the coordinator hiring decisions. Better for him to let fans/boosters think that it was all Burke's fault and that the head coach he hired can get this done now with his own people in place. That way, some people who have bought into this program each of the past three seasons may be willing to buy in one more time and donate and/or buy tickets.
Just speculation on my part but if it's not a ploy to buy more time then why would they put that information out there at all?
Just speculation on my part but if it's not a ploy to buy more time then why would they put that information out there at all?
Still makes no sense: even if Burke hired both those bozos, who made the decision to bring them back for year 2? Who brought them back for year 3?
And I don't believe we are going to see some miraculous turnaround with them gone. Hazell is as big a part of the problem as anyone.
I agree regarding your latter statement. I don't expect a huge turnaround either. I just think it seems odd that they would come out and tell everyone that even if it were true unless they wanted to alter how people perceive Hazell. I don't think it would have looked good for them to dump the coordinators after the first year though. If Burke had them brought in, he wasn't going to fire them after one season under a brand new coach. Makes the whole lot of them look like they don't know what they're doing which is where we have ended up anyway. After year 1, you still had a bunch of boosters buying the whole "look at the mess Hope left us" BS so no need to admit anything with the new staff was wrong at that point.
I'd like to see this confirmed by other sources in the know.
