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Anyone heard any numbers on ticket sales? What outside the box plans does Burke have to get folks in the stadium this fall?

They are giving away bobble heads at one game: but not to season ticket holders. Nice. Iowa fans who buy tickets to that game could walk out of Ross Ade with a Purdue Pete bobble head, meanwhile our loyal season ticket holders, all 73 of them, walk out empty handed.

How dumb do you have to be to get hired by the AD? Please tell me these aren't Purdue grads coming up with this stuff.
 
The real question is, who many times will you post thinly veiled bash posts before the beginning of the year?
 
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There's nothing veiled about my bashing of Morgue, but I am genuinely curious how ticket sales are going. I cannot fathom spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and 7 Saturday's, to watch this team.

I really think we have a less talented roster this year than last, but hope that I am wrong.
 
There's nothing veiled about my bashing of Morgue, but I am genuinely curious how ticket sales are going. I cannot fathom spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and 7 Saturday's, to watch this team.

I really think we have a less talented roster this year than last, but hope that I am wrong.
No reason to thinly veil it either, as it is beyond warranted...

As far as the talent level of the roster, it is entirely irrelevant, as the guy in charge of the program (much like the guy in charge of the athletic department for that matter and who hired him) is inept.

Morgan does not care about ticket sales or attendance...and why should he, as those that he report to do not care either, nor is it something that he is held accountable for (that said, accountability is not something that is prevalent in Purdue athletics for anyone from Morgan on down)...never mind the obvious that as long as he gets to collect that check from the BTN on an annual basis without having to do literally anything at all, it is a moot point...that check for doing nothing at all is what allows him to keep his job, and that says as much (or more) about Purdue athletics as anything.
 
It's not the talent that I'm concerned with. We had enough talent to beat Marshall and Bowling Green last season. When we start beating the teams we do have more talent than, I'll worry about our talent level more. In my opinion, we'll have competitive talent in at least half our games next season and probably be competitive in a few games against teams who have marginally better talent than us. It's up to the coaching staff to make the most out of our record given what they have. To date, they've done a poor job with that.
 
It's not the talent that I'm concerned with. We had enough talent to beat Marshall and Bowling Green last season. When we start beating the teams we do have more talent than, I'll worry about our talent level more. In my opinion, we'll have competitive talent in at least half our games next season and probably be competitive in a few games against teams who have marginally better talent than us. It's up to the coaching staff to make the most out of our record given what they have. To date, they've done a poor job with that.
I suppose that's true. My concern is that the new coordinators might actually have better schemes, but we don't win any more games because The Haze's awful recruiting starts to catch up with us.
 
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The real question is, who many times will you post thinly veiled bash posts before the beginning of the year?
Reasonable folks stopped veiling their comments long ago. The other question is how is the AD search going? Someone has to be put in charge of this athletic department who actually has some clue how to fix the recruiting issues that the major sports are facing.
 
Reasonable folks stopped veiling their comments long ago. The other question is how is the AD search going? Someone has to be put in charge of this athletic department who actually has some clue how to fix the recruiting issues that the major sports are facing.
Great point(s), although the search process seems about as misguided as much that has happened with/under Burke at the helm, and, more importantly, I honestly do not believe that the recruiting issues (or even competitiveness (or lack thereof more accurately) are a genuine concern of anybody involved in the process of making the decision.
 
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No reason to thinly veil it either, as it is beyond warranted...

As far as the talent level of the roster, it is entirely irrelevant, as the guy in charge of the program (much like the guy in charge of the athletic department for that matter and who hired him) is inept.

Morgan does not care about ticket sales or attendance...and why should he, as those that he report to do not care either, nor is it something that he is held accountable for (that said, accountability is not something that is prevalent in Purdue athletics for anyone from Morgan on down)...never mind the obvious that as long as he gets to collect that check from the BTN on an annual basis without having to do literally anything at all, it is a moot point...that check for doing nothing at all is what allows him to keep his job, and that says as much (or more) about Purdue athletics as anything.

He's a foot and a half out the door....why should he care?

The new AD will be in place VERY shortly and will have the power to make change while Burke steals more money and rides into the sunset. Decisions won't be in his hands anymore and hopefully we will be better for it.

Next you'll be blaming failures in your personal life on MB being the AD. He's culpable for a lot, but there were about 1000 bad things done by 100 people that put us in the situation we are in now. Squaring it up on one guy is a little overkill, especially when moving forward that one guy will have almost 0 impact on Purdue sports.

MB has done a lot of good. He's done a lot of bad. There have been a lot of bad things and agents at work here over the past 10 years.
 
He's a foot and a half out the door....why should he care?

The new AD will be in place VERY shortly and will have the power to make change while Burke steals more money and rides into the sunset. Decisions won't be in his hands anymore and hopefully we will be better for it.

Next you'll be blaming failures in your personal life on MB being the AD. He's culpable for a lot, but there were about 1000 bad things done by 100 people that put us in the situation we are in now. Squaring it up on one guy is a little overkill, especially when moving forward that one guy will have almost 0 impact on Purdue sports.

MB has done a lot of good. He's done a lot of bad. There have been a lot of bad things and agents at work here over the past 10 years.
Bottom line. The place we are in today happened on MB's watch. He's the AD. All of the blame ultimately falls at his feet. For the next 5-10 years his action or inaction WILL have an effect on Purdue athletics. One new AD and new FB coaching staff will not fix the problems with FB overnight. It will be a painful process to rebuild with the empty recruiting cabinet and the loss of interest among fans.
 
Bottom line. The place we are in today happened on MB's watch. He's the AD. All of the blame ultimately falls at his feet. For the next 5-10 years his action or inaction WILL have an effect on Purdue athletics. One new AD and new FB coaching staff will not fix the problems with FB overnight. It will be a painful process to rebuild with the empty recruiting cabinet and the loss of interest among fans.
IF we spend on the trajectory we have been (New football facility....$3M+ for a good name coach) I think we will be back to a bowl in short time with the potential to be good again.

I agree the longer we toil where we are at the harder it will get, but Hazell is only still here because they didn't want MB hiring another FB coach.
 
IF we spend on the trajectory we have been (New football facility....$3M+ for a good name coach) I think we will be back to a bowl in short time with the potential to be good again.

I agree the longer we toil where we are at the harder it will get, but Hazell is only still here because they didn't want MB hiring another FB coach.
So, if that is true (and I agree that it is), then why is MB still "here"? Why was MB not moved to another position at the University, seeing as nobody had the intestinal fortitude to do what should have been done in firing him? The issue is not just the poor job...incredibly poor job...that MB has done, but that he not only was allowed to continue (at the expense...literally in Purdue's case I might add), but that he remains the AD yet today despite the poor job and inability to take action or make changes that even the dimmest of those involved at Purdue have to recognize and acknowledge? For that matter, how about the ego and lack of any sort of moral compass keeping MB himself from doing the right thing, never mind best thing, for Purdue athletics and having stepped down?
 
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He's culpable for a lot, but there were about 1000 bad things done by 100 people that put us in the situation we are in now. Squaring it up on one guy is a little overkill, especially when moving forward that one guy will have almost 0 impact on Purdue sports.

He is more than culpable for a lot...he is the primary culprit, if not lone culprit in several cases at least...which more than justifies squaring it up on him, although I agree and acknowledge that others above him did contribute...unfortunately, I disagree with your last statement though, as his actions (and inaction for that matter) will have long lasting impact on Purdue sports.
 
He's a foot and a half out the door....why should he care?

The new AD will be in place VERY shortly and will have the power to make change while Burke steals more money and rides into the sunset. Decisions won't be in his hands anymore and hopefully we will be better for it.

Next you'll be blaming failures in your personal life on MB being the AD. He's culpable for a lot, but there were about 1000 bad things done by 100 people that put us in the situation we are in now. Squaring it up on one guy is a little overkill, especially when moving forward that one guy will have almost 0 impact on Purdue sports.

MB has done a lot of good. He's done a lot of bad. There have been a lot of bad things and agents at work here over the past 10 years.
Name 10 of the 100 that ruined things for MB....Oh my god!!!! A foot and a half is not far enough for me or some others!!!!!
 
Anyone heard any numbers on ticket sales? What outside the box plans does Burke have to get folks in the stadium this fall?

They are giving away bobble heads at one game: but not to season ticket holders. Nice. Iowa fans who buy tickets to that game could walk out of Ross Ade with a Purdue Pete bobble head, meanwhile our loyal season ticket holders, all 73 of them, walk out empty handed.

How dumb do you have to be to get hired by the AD? Please tell me these aren't Purdue grads coming up with this stuff.


in the mean time. how are ticket sales going?
 
in the mean time. how are ticket sales going?
I thought that around the time of the spring game that I had read or heard that they expected (hoped?) to sell 16,000 - 18,000 season tickets.
 
So, if that is true (and I agree that it is), then why is MB still "here"? Why was MB not moved to another position at the University, seeing as nobody had the intestinal fortitude to do what should have been done in firing him? The issue is not just the poor job...incredibly poor job...that MB has done, but that he not only was allowed to continue (at the expense...literally in Purdue's case I might add), but that he remains the AD yet today despite the poor job and inability to take action or make changes that even the dimmest of those involved at Purdue have to recognize and acknowledge? For that matter, how about the ego and lack of any sort of moral compass keeping MB himself from doing the right thing, never mind best thing, for Purdue athletics and having stepped down?

I don't think that the people that matter at Purdue believe that Burke has done a poor job which I think speaks to the priorities you've mentioned before. Winning is a "nice to have" when it comes to sports at Purdue, especially now that the tv money is what it is. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, I'm just saying that's how it is and that's in stark contrast to many of the programs we're competing against.

For the record, I'm not as harsh on Burke as most. I was fine with the Hope hire. I still support Painter. I don't think Versyp has done anything that warrants her removal. Shondell has been a great hire. The golf programs are good. I think he gave Schreiber an acceptable amount of time to get baseball booted back up. I don't have any huge issues with the decisions made in those programs.

The one series of decisions which I think have proven to be an unmitigated disaster was the decision to replace Hope with Hazell. I'll be the first to admit that we had an average and mostly uninspiring football program under Hope. We were middle of the pack at best and got blown out by most of the big time teams we played. We had some moments where we were competitive with some really good teams (mostly Ohio State and also Notre Dame in the year they went to the title game) but many fans felt like that was unacceptable and interest in the program was lukewarm at best so Burke decided to pull the plug on a coach that had performed at about the historical average of the program.

While that move in itself wasn't wrong, it's one that you must get right as an AD if you're going to make it. We clearly didn't. First of all, we had to buy out Hope which was almost unprecedented for Burke to do. We did that in spite of back-to-back bowls which, although minor and not very exciting, are still a benchmark for a program like ours. Then the search began. Butch Jones appeared to be our top target. He met with Burke and left appearing to have little interest in the job. There was talk of the NIU coach which seemed to go nowhere as he left for NC State. So then what? We were left with no head coach and all of the top options were off the board. So a desperate Burke settles for Hazell after telling the fan base how important the passing game was to the identity of Purdue football.

So in the end, we spent a bunch of money to buy out Hope who was average. We gave the new coach and his staff much more money than Hope and his staff had to operate with to come in and do far worse. On top of that all, our offense has been brutal and as a team we have not been entertaining to watch very often. It's not like we've been losing 54-42 shootouts like even IU did in many of their worst seasons in recent memory. We have been losing badly and not scoring much in the process.

So that's my big beef with Burke. Not supporting Hope with the same resources you gave the next coach was a mistake. Firing Hope without having a viable candidate to replace him was a mistake. Hiring a coach who was a Jim Tressel disciple after having preached about the importance of the passing game to the identity of Purdue football was a mistake. And then, ultimately, Hazell was just a mistake all on his own. The whole process was one blunder after another.

All that said, I'm in no rush to replace Hazell. Make no mistake about it, I'd advocate changing coaches tomorrow if we can get the right guy into the position. Our pool is limited though and I don't think there is always going to be the "right" guy every year. We need to realize that replacing Hazell just for the sake of replacing him could only extend the length of this downturn if we don't end up hiring the right guy. Furthermore, I think it is correct to let the next AD hire the next football coach. Burke messed up the last one so any trust we had that he could identify the "right" guy has been lost and the next AD will be given a potentially career-defining opportunity to bring in someone to resurrect the top money-making program in the athletic department. Fair or not, that hire will define the new AD. As for Burke, I'm fine with him waiting out his time. He can help finish off or hand off some of the facilities things that have started under his watch and get the new AD up to speed on things while leaving the big decisions with longer lasting implications up to the next guy. Let's just hope we get an AD that can hire a football coach.
 
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I don't think that the people that matter at Purdue believe that Burke has done a poor job which I think speaks to the priorities you've mentioned before. Winning is a "nice to have" when it comes to sports at Purdue, especially now that the tv money is what it is. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, I'm just saying that's how it is and that's in stark contrast to many of the programs we're competing against.

For the record, I'm not as harsh on Burke as most. I was fine with the Hope hire. I still support Painter. I don't think Versyp has done anything that warrants her removal. Shondell has been a great hire. The golf programs are good. I think he gave Schreiber an acceptable amount of time to get baseball booted back up. I don't have any huge issues with the decisions made in those programs.

The one series of decisions which I think have proven to be an unmitigated disaster was the decision to replace Hope with Hazell. I'll be the first to admit that we had an average and mostly uninspiring football program under Hope. We were middle of the pack at best and got blown out by most of the big time teams we played. We had some moments where we were competitive with some really good teams (mostly Ohio State and also Notre Dame in the year they went to the title game) but many fans felt like that was unacceptable and interest in the program was lukewarm at best so Burke decided to pull the plug on a coach that had performed at about the historical average of the program.

While that move in itself wasn't wrong, it's one that you must get right as an AD if you're going to make it. We clearly didn't. First of all, we had to buy out Hope which was almost unprecedented for Burke to do. We did that in spite of back-to-back bowls which, although minor and not very exciting, are still a benchmark for a program like ours. Then the search began. Butch Jones appeared to be our top target. He met with Burke and left appearing to have little interest in the job. There was talk of the NIU coach which seemed to go nowhere as he left for NC State. So then what? We were left with no head coach and all of the top options were off the board. So a desperate Burke settles for Hazell after telling the fan base how important the passing game was to the identity of Purdue football.

So in the end, we spent a bunch of money to buy out Hope who was average. We gave the new coach and his staff much more money than Hope and his staff had to operate with to come in and do far worse. On top of that all, our offense has been brutal and as a team we have not been entertaining to watch very often. It's not like we've been losing 54-42 shootouts like even IU did in many of their worst seasons in recent memory. We have been losing badly and not scoring much in the process.

So that's my big beef with Burke. Not supporting Hope with the same resources you gave the next coach was a mistake. Firing Hope without having a viable candidate to replace him was a mistake. Hiring a coach who was a Jim Tressel disciple after having preached about the importance of the passing game to the identity of Purdue football was a mistake. And then, ultimately, Hazell was just a mistake all on his own. The whole process was one blunder after another.

All that said, I'm in no rush to replace Hazell. Make no mistake about it, I'd advocate changing coaches tomorrow if we can get the right guy into the position. Our pool is limited though and I don't think there is always going to be the "right" guy every year. We need to realize that replacing Hazell just for the sake of replacing him could only extend the length of this downturn if we don't end up hiring the right guy. Furthermore, I think it is correct to let the next AD hire the next football coach. Burke messed up the last one so any trust we had that he could identify the "right" guy has been lost and the next AD will be given a potentially career-defining opportunity to bring in someone to resurrect the top money-making program in the athletic department. Fair or not, that hire will define the new AD. As for Burke, I'm fine with him waiting out his time. He can help finish off or hand off some of the facilities things that have started under his watch and get the new AD up to speed on things while leaving the big decisions with longer lasting implications up to the next guy. Let's just hope we get an AD that can hire a football coach.
Hope's buyout was like 600K. Not much in the grand scheme of things.

The program was never any better, nor was it ever going to be anything better than mediocre under Hope. I didn't disagree with us moving on from him in hopes we got better.....it just failed. He never should have been hired. He's not a good HC and a painfully average recruiter. Hazell isn't killing it recruiting by any means but his pipeline to NIN talent was shattered by Hope just ignoring it.
 
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I don't think that the people that matter at Purdue believe that Burke has done a poor job which I think speaks to the priorities you've mentioned before. Winning is a "nice to have" when it comes to sports at Purdue, especially now that the tv money is what it is. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, I'm just saying that's how it is and that's in stark contrast to many of the programs we're competing against.

For the record, I'm not as harsh on Burke as most. I was fine with the Hope hire. I still support Painter. I don't think Versyp has done anything that warrants her removal. Shondell has been a great hire. The golf programs are good. I think he gave Schreiber an acceptable amount of time to get baseball booted back up. I don't have any huge issues with the decisions made in those programs.

The one series of decisions which I think have proven to be an unmitigated disaster was the decision to replace Hope with Hazell. I'll be the first to admit that we had an average and mostly uninspiring football program under Hope. We were middle of the pack at best and got blown out by most of the big time teams we played. We had some moments where we were competitive with some really good teams (mostly Ohio State and also Notre Dame in the year they went to the title game) but many fans felt like that was unacceptable and interest in the program was lukewarm at best so Burke decided to pull the plug on a coach that had performed at about the historical average of the program.

While that move in itself wasn't wrong, it's one that you must get right as an AD if you're going to make it. We clearly didn't. First of all, we had to buy out Hope which was almost unprecedented for Burke to do. We did that in spite of back-to-back bowls which, although minor and not very exciting, are still a benchmark for a program like ours. Then the search began. Butch Jones appeared to be our top target. He met with Burke and left appearing to have little interest in the job. There was talk of the NIU coach which seemed to go nowhere as he left for NC State. So then what? We were left with no head coach and all of the top options were off the board. So a desperate Burke settles for Hazell after telling the fan base how important the passing game was to the identity of Purdue football.

So in the end, we spent a bunch of money to buy out Hope who was average. We gave the new coach and his staff much more money than Hope and his staff had to operate with to come in and do far worse. On top of that all, our offense has been brutal and as a team we have not been entertaining to watch very often. It's not like we've been losing 54-42 shootouts like even IU did in many of their worst seasons in recent memory. We have been losing badly and not scoring much in the process.

So that's my big beef with Burke. Not supporting Hope with the same resources you gave the next coach was a mistake. Firing Hope without having a viable candidate to replace him was a mistake. Hiring a coach who was a Jim Tressel disciple after having preached about the importance of the passing game to the identity of Purdue football was a mistake. And then, ultimately, Hazell was just a mistake all on his own. The whole process was one blunder after another.

All that said, I'm in no rush to replace Hazell. Make no mistake about it, I'd advocate changing coaches tomorrow if we can get the right guy into the position. Our pool is limited though and I don't think there is always going to be the "right" guy every year. We need to realize that replacing Hazell just for the sake of replacing him could only extend the length of this downturn if we don't end up hiring the right guy. Furthermore, I think it is correct to let the next AD hire the next football coach. Burke messed up the last one so any trust we had that he could identify the "right" guy has been lost and the next AD will be given a potentially career-defining opportunity to bring in someone to resurrect the top money-making program in the athletic department. Fair or not, that hire will define the new AD. As for Burke, I'm fine with him waiting out his time. He can help finish off or hand off some of the facilities things that have started under his watch and get the new AD up to speed on things while leaving the big decisions with longer lasting implications up to the next guy. Let's just hope we get an AD that can hire a football coach.

Imo, a new coach should have been placed in charge for the simple fact that it can't get any worse than it is right now and that new coach probably has a higher probability of moving he program forward than Hazell does at this point.

My biggest issue comes from this past season. If you know that you are going to replace your OC, and you know you are more than likely going to give one of the in house guys a shot at the job...why not give Malone the reigns and tell Shoop he can stay and concentrate solely on QB's or he can leave? It would have allowed Malone the chance to work some of his ideas and schemes in to a season that clearly wouldn't have been any worse and wasn't going anywhere. Having our guys work his system, in season, would have given them 6 more months in that system. I digress, however, because that seems like much to rational of a decision. I guess Hazell needed all that time to sort through his 'stacks of resumes' Burke spoke about.
 
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Hope's buyout was like 600K. Not much in the grand scheme of things.

The program was never any better, nor was it ever going to be anything better than mediocre under Hope. I didn't disagree with us moving on from him in hopes we got better.....it just failed. He never should have been hired. He's not a good HC and a painfully average recruiter. Hazell isn't killing it recruiting by any means but his pipeline to NIN talent was shattered by Hope just ignoring it.
So to sum up, Morgue is 0 for 2 hiring football coaches since 1997.
 
So to sum up, Morgue is 0 for 2 hiring football coaches since 1997.

Yes. Yuuuuuge success before it though.

I think the biggest issue is that the status quo before say 2012 was to do it on the cheap. Post 2012 has been marred by 1 bad decision. I think we are ready to make the $$$ and effort commitments to compete (now that we have seen the hard consequences of choosing not to).
 
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Hope's buyout was like 600K. Not much in the grand scheme of things.

The program was never any better, nor was it ever going to be anything better than mediocre under Hope. I didn't disagree with us moving on from him in hopes we got better.....it just failed. He never should have been hired. He's not a good HC and a painfully average recruiter. Hazell isn't killing it recruiting by any means but his pipeline to NIN talent was shattered by Hope just ignoring it.

Couldn't disagree more with all this BS. The time to move away from Hope was when you find a better candidate that is likely to take the job. Yes that is not always easy but that is one of the biggest jobs of the AD so his ability to get that right is one major factor in terms of his job performance. You don't just decide that it's time to change coaches and then hope to find someone better. That kind of thinking is what landed us where we are today and if we use the same type of approach for the next coaching hire we could be adding at least 3-4 years to the misery rather than just enduring one more.

And blaming Hope for Hazell's problems got old at least 2 years ago and even more so in recruiting. New coaches come in and get to pitch recruits anything because there is no evidence to the contrary of anything they say. If Hazell didn't or wasn't able to take advantage of that, that's a Hazell problem.
 
Yes. Yuuuuuge success before it though.

I think the biggest issue is that the status quo before say 2012 was to do it on the cheap. Post 2012 has been marred by 1 bad decision. I think we are ready to make the $$$ and effort commitments to compete (now that we have seen the hard consequences of choosing not to).

Hiring Hope while not fully supporting him (as evidenced by assistant coaching salary bumps when Hazell took over) was also a huge mistake. In hindsight it all looks so bad. Hire Hope and make him run the program with limited resources and then can him for mediocrity. Then hire a new coach to replace him and give him your full backing and he produces worse results.
 
Imo, a new coach should have been placed in charge for the simple fact that it can't get any worse than it is right now and that new coach probably has a higher probability of moving he program forward than Hazell does at this point.

My biggest issue comes from this past season. If you know that you are going to replace your OC, and you know you are more than likely going to give one of the in house guys a shot at the job...why not give Malone the reigns and tell Shoop he can stay and concentrate solely on QB's or he can leave? It would have allowed Malone the chance to work some of his ideas and schemes in to a season that clearly wouldn't have been any worse and wasn't going anywhere. Having our guys work his system, in season, would have given them 6 more months in that system. I digress, however, because that seems like much to rational of a decision. I guess Hazell needed all that time to sort through his 'stacks of resumes' Burke spoke about.

It might not be able to get much worse, but nobody is going to be happy after a few years of capping out at 4 or 5 wins a season either so I don't think signing up for 4 years of someone who is only marginally better is the right thing to do either (particularly when there are buyouts involved).
 
Danny Hope was an uninspiring hire and, to some degree, an uninspiring personality. He worked very hard, loved Purdue, and took losing hard. But, he was also inflexible, tone deaf when it came to fan criticism, and just couldn't get Purdue over the hump on the field or in recruiting. He was about the same caliber a coach as Bob DeMoss, Alex Agase, and Leon Burttnet -- or, about par for the course in the modern history of Purdue football.

Burke could be forgiven if Danny Hope were the worst hire he made especially since, as others have pointed out, Burke spent only about $900K per year on Hope.

Now Darrell Hazell has just been an empty suit, plain and simple. A flash in the pan at Kent State, nothing more. Both the hire and the contract buried Purdue football for the near future.
 
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Hiring Hope while not fully supporting him (as evidenced by assistant coaching salary bumps when Hazell took over) was also a huge mistake. In hindsight it all looks so bad. Hire Hope and make him run the program with limited resources and then can him for mediocrity. Then hire a new coach to replace him and give him your full backing and he produces worse results.

You could have paid Hope $2mil. He still would have sucked. You could have given him $1mil to go get a top OC. He would have still given it to Nord.

We still need to boost our assistant pay pool moving forward....but we need to be more of a win and get paid more vs. offering big contracts to assistants initially and only have them flame out.
 
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You could have paid Hope $2mil. He still would have sucked. You could have given him $1mil to go get a top OC. He would have still given it to Nord.

We still need to boost our assistant pay pool moving forward....but we need to be more of a win and get paid more vs. offering big contracts to assistants initially and only have them flame out.

Whatever Hope would've done with the full resources behind him, then at least it's on him. By not fully supporting him, I put some part of it on Burke.

I agree that we still need to pay our assistants more but you're never going to be able to get good people to stay at Purdue for incentive based contracts when they can go anywhere else and get something guaranteed.
 
With Morgan extending Versyp through 2022, what are the odds that he trolls the !@#$ out of us on the way out and locks up DH for another 4 years???
There is no doubt that he would love to do it...and no doubt that he would try to if he were able...but it was made abundantly clear to him that he would not be hiring the next football coach, which is in large part why the current one unfortunately remains. Burke could have done the right thing at some point along the way, but his enormous ego yet again prevented that from happening.
 
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Just to clear up a detail on the original post. They did offer season ticket holders the opportunity to purchase a full set of the bobbleheads (inc. football promotion and 4 others).

As one of 73 (evidently) morons that renewed, I harbor no ill will. The primary value of season tickets for now is in the parking pass. They keep trying to screw that allocation system up, but until they do I'll probably renew.
 
Just to clear up a detail on the original post. They did offer season ticket holders the opportunity to purchase a full set of the bobbleheads (inc. football promotion and 4 others).

As one of 73 (evidently) morons that renewed, I harbor no ill will. The primary value of season tickets for now is in the parking pass. They keep trying to screw that allocation system up, but until they do I'll probably renew.

I had season tickets up until 2 years ago when it became much easier to buy the parking pass too. So now I could select the games I wanted, get them under face AND buy the parking pass online.
 
Hiring Hope while not fully supporting him (as evidenced by assistant coaching salary bumps when Hazell took over) was also a huge mistake. In hindsight it all looks so bad. Hire Hope and make him run the program with limited resources and then can him for mediocrity. Then hire a new coach to replace him and give him your full backing and he produces worse results.
........SPOT ON!!!!!!!!
 
I believe MB biggest mistakes (there are 2 in mind) were how he handled the departure of Keady and Tiller. He enabled both to "ride off into the sunset" on Purdue's dime; while not maintaining the high level of accomplishment that existed in both programs.

The Basketball program has recovered a bit from that drop-off; but the football program has struggled and that issues was compounded with the recent coaching approach.

I'm not sure what the alternate approach would have been in those situations, but hindsight 20/20, something needed to be done differently.
 
Your hindsight is too short term. Purdue was always a week behind in reinvestment in the athletic department and its facilities. It has finally caught up with them. They are all excited about the $60M investment when more like $100 M is needed.

Then there is the academics. I love that our athletes graduate, but what the hell. You can get a good degree from Michigan, OSU and MSU. We really arent a better school than others who have found success on the gridiron. Kids dont come to play football primarily for the education at Purdue. Usually it is because we are their best offer among a bunch lesser schools competatively.

We throw a lot of trash at Burke and in my eye he deserves it. He should have canned Tiller and Keady at least a year before they retired. I think the Hope Hazell thing is just nuts. However, at Purdue, we have had a succession of Presidents who dont give two hoots actually about athletics. Cordova was particularly poor. Giske got it, but Beering also really didnt give a s#it about anything but buildings. Purdue Athletics now is like feeding an anorexic person after the onset of the disease...doesnt work.

We are living with decades of neglect and inattention. Only now we get to see it clearly on television week in and week out. It is particularly offensive when we get an up close and clear view of Indiana kicking our a##es.

We keep talking about a culture change at Purdue...well...it isnt gong to happen until a lot of things change in the higher administration ranks above the AD IMHKO. Until you see that, everything is just talk.
 
To answer your question about ticket sales I spoke to the ticket office on Wednesday because I plan to attend the Purdue vs. Maryland game on October 1 in College Park and Wednesday was the first day I could buy tickets to away games. I asked your question and the answer was that while ticket sales are down she said that sales had gone pretty well until recently when they have slowed to a trickle. They are hoping for a pick-up as the season approaches so for anybody thinking about buying season tickets right now would be a good time to buy.
 
To answer your question about ticket sales I spoke to the ticket office on Wednesday because I plan to attend the Purdue vs. Maryland game on October 1 in College Park and Wednesday was the first day I could buy tickets to away games. I asked your question and the answer was that while ticket sales are down she said that sales had gone pretty well until recently when they have slowed to a trickle. They are hoping for a pick-up as the season approaches so for anybody thinking about buying season tickets right now would be a good time to buy.
Did they give you any numbers?

As far as a good time to buy tix, I will wait until we are 1-5 and get them for peanuts on stubhub, if it's a nice day and I have nothing else going on.
 
I did not ask about numbers. I honestly believe this team has a chance to be very good but it all comes down to the first three games which Purdue has to win to have a good to very good season. I spoke for a long time last Saturday at John Purdue Day to Terry Malone (we both went to the same college) and Terry really knows his stuff and I am confident he will get the offense going. Also, I spoke with Marcus Freeman and Taver Johnson and they are solid coaches. The key to this team is whether Gary Emanuel can figure out how to get a consistent pass rush. If he can do that Purdue football could become fun to watch again this Fall. Let us all hope that he does.
 
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I did not ask about numbers. I honestly believe this team has a chance to be very good but it all comes down to the first three games which Purdue has to win to have a good to very good season. I spoke for a long time last Saturday at John Purdue Day to Terry Malone (we both went to the same college) and Terry really knows his stuff and I am confident he will get the offense going. Also, I spoke with Marcus Freeman and Taver Johnson and they are solid coaches. The key to this team is whether Gary Emanuel can figure out how to get a consistent pass rush. If he can do that Purdue football could become fun to watch again this Fall. Let us all hope that he does.
My concern isn't the Xs and Os- it's the JImmys and the Joes.
 
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