Honestly shocked that there are this many
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Fred Akers part 2. He got fired for a reason.
His offensive scheme is dated and bad. While I agree we would recruit better, we would likely not win many more than 4-6 games. Improvement over the current, but when you could go out and get a young guy who can recruit AND energize the fan base (Fleck) or an established Xs and Os guy (Schiano), I would move Miles down my list.
Have you ever seen Les' end of game clock management? It makes Danny Hope look like he has a PhD in time science.
If we are going to go after a fired, re-tread....I prefer Charlie Strong once he's canned at Texas. LSU is rooting for us to hire Miles and pay him big $$$ so that they don't have to pay his buyout! They respect the guy but you'd be hard pressed to find a fan in the entire base that thinks he should still be the coach there. That says a lot to me.
Congrats. We would win the press conference. Then we would see a 63 year old coach who couldn't win enough at LSU try to revive the Purdue program.
I think we would recruit LIGHT YEARS better. I think its safe to say we would slide comfortably in the 25-40 range in recruiting. The D would get a huge upgrade i'm sure. That said, we'd pound teams we had more talent than (2 OOC games, IU, Ill and maybe another) but would struggle vs. teams with better scheming and equal or better talent. Thats what happened to him at LSU.....why would we expect anything different here.
While I think he is the right hire for SOME program out there....it's not ours. We need to fix both recruiting AND scheming and Leslie only does 1 of those.
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Agree with this 100%. We would get better but he's not going to get the athletes he got at LSU and we aren't going to win on scheme. I think we're a fringe bowl team fighting for about 6 wins a year once we get past the initial recovery period.
because that's what he's done his entire career....or NOT. wtf do you base this rambling on? Even at OkSt. he did better than that. This is why we can't have nice things.
Don't delude yourself. He's not going to be able to pull the same athletes to Purdue that he did at LSU or even T. Boone Pickens U.
BTW, just looked up his record at OSU and he only averaged 7 wins a season and was never better than 5-3 in conference. That's only about one win better than what I am projecting for him at Purdue where I'm guessing he'll have far fewer recruiting advantages than he had there and he's also about 15 years older than when he started at OSU.
Hell, if all you want is an upgrade then that opens the door to alot of people. I'm looking for someone that is a good long-term fit with a high ceiling. Like I said, I don't think Miles has a very high ceiling at Purdue. We can sit back and pretend that Purdue is the same as LSU but that's denying reality. You have to win differently here than you do at LSU.
Tell me when the Purdue version of Boone Pickens shows up and dumps a truckload of money into the program. Booster networks, resources, and shiny things is the difference maker when it comes to collegiate recruiting. You can pay a coach all you want, but at the end of the day, we are still one of the worst options in the P5 because we don't have that kind of support.
I genuinely think we are trying to work to that....but its not here yet and it takes time. I think the admin fully gets it now....we are just 15 years behind the 8 ball in figuring this out.
Everybody keeps assuming we will get OK St or first 7 years at LSU Miles. We won't be. Not even close. His name will help us recruit better and start winning in state and semi-regional recruiting battles. His scheme will make 7 wins our ceiling. It's better than where we currently are but we have the opportunity to hire some transformational guys before we have to settle on him. Contrary to popular belief, Baylor, Texas, USC or ND will not be calling Miles to come coach. If Miles wants another shot it will have to be at a program like ours....so why not aim hire THEN settle? I don't want to settle now.
I hope the phones are buzzing to understand what level of interest would be out there at the end of the season. But I am a bit pessimistic because I feel like the Purdue job is less attractive now than in 2012 when a one year wonder from the MAC is the best we could get for $2M/year. If there is a proven program builder (i.e. Fleck, Schiano) who wants to come here, then let's go get him. Otherwise, what we are talking about is taking another leap of faith on an unproven commodity, most of which end up busting. 5-6 years out of a guy like Miles who can stop the bleeding and hand off a .500 program with B1G caliber players to the next coach isn't a bad option. Maybe by then the next Tom Herman will be willing to answer our phone call.
Why is it less attractive now? New facility for players being built. Finally getting lights. It seems the AD is finally comitting to football. If we make the right hire, we don't have to be a loser forever. I don't think that Hazell was a miserable recruiter. I think he was a bad coach which kept him from ever getting any momentum going in recruiting. They are not mutually exclusive.
The first guy to get us back to winning in state recruiting battles is the first guy who takes us back to a bowl.
My arguement is that the Les Miles 4 to 6 win transition happens in the same amount of time as the Fleck 4 to 8 win transition, IMO. I'm not saying Miles shouldn't be on the list...but he should not be in our top 3-5.
lol and you're including his rebuild year in that. Also the last time we went 5-3 was 2006!!!!!!! I can't even reasonably dream about 5-3.
Re scheme
Is that 100% guaranteed no change with miles?
Dont some head coaches change or adapt If another OC/staff is brought in?
I never pictured it so rigid
Is that 100% guaranteed no change with miles?
Dont some head coaches change or adapt If another OC/staff is brought in?
I never pictured it so rigid
Right. Because there's not rebuilding job to be done at Purdue.........
I get it. You like him. You don't see the difference between recruiting to LSU and Purdue. That's fine. You're not going to change my opinion.
The vitals that are most obvious to the casual observer favor the state of the program in 2012. Attendance, W/L record, recency of winning and going to bowl games. New facilities and AD. Ok we'll have that going for us. I hope that's enough bait to reel in a big fish, but as with our coaching situation heading into the past 2 seasons I am not optimistic. Read some outside opinions on our coaching vacancy. Most think this job is a career killer, and unfortunately the recent evidence supports their position.
ps- I think our positions aren't that far off. Miles isn't in my top 3-5 either. I'm just starting further down the list. MBob will hopefully have a good idea where on the list is the realistic starting point and make the best move accordingly.
No I see the difference. I don't care about the difference. We need a good coach who can bring in talent who's actually available to come here. He fits. He can bring in Tiller type talent and get us back to respectable and put the program on even footing. We aren't getting some hot up and comer who is going to be here long term and build a dynasty. That's a pipe dream.
You're a rational human. I don't mind debating this with you, especially since you come with facts, a cool head and willingness to listen.
I haven't heard from a single person who's view I respect that this is a career killing post. Its one where you have to show up, recruit well, scheme well and execute on gameday to win. Its not an LSU where you can do 1 of the 3 and win 8 games. Obviously our spot right now is not favorable....but its not that hard to get to 6 wins here. Even Hope for all his shortcomings pulled it off twice. I think its a career killer if you think you're going to come in and have things handed to you.
That said, Iowa State and Syracuse both pulled in good HCs last cycle and we are DEFINITELY a better destination than those schools. I think our position means we don't get an elite guy like Herman....but that if Fleck falls down the board enough we could get him. I think the same about Briles but word is we aren't entertaining making that call. We'll pay a guy in December $3mil to come coach us, most likely garunteed for 5 years or more. And you have to think, out of the pool of guys who are looking to take steps up like Fleck....how does that in and of itself not look attracitve. That if I have 0 success, i'm never a HC again but am set for life? Obviously its not a goal for a coach to fired.....but Hazell will likely coach again as an assistant, still make an unreal sum of money and be able to count that $16mil he got from us until his fingers bleed.
Does that sound that bad? Look, these coaches have just as much to gain from coaching us as we have to gain from their talents....if not more. In the end, money talks and as long as our offer is solid (and all indications are that we are prepared to pay $3mil a year to our next coach) we will end up with a coach that is a known commodity that has the potential to turn us around.
At this point, I think Spack and Miles are plan G. and F.....you only bring them in if everybody else says no.....and there will be no shortage of guys interested.
Maybe. Here's some historical perspective. Hopefully we do better this time.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...013-college-football-new-coaches-hired-grades
If we are going straight to name calling, you are a simple-minded fool.
I'll take that as a complement. Right back atcha.
After years of reading this board I decided to start posting with 2 objectives: (1) to participate in productive discussions about Purdue sports (2) for simple entertainment. I have no interest in petty arguments with random people. Real life has enough of that. I simply don't engage with people who aren't worth it. Most of my positions on Purdue sports are elastic enough that I enjoy listening to others' perspectives and allow them to shape my own.
Do we think Les Miles will coach for another 10+ years??
Do we think he'd retire at Purdue if he were to come here??
62 is not 'old', I am only afraid he wouldn't have the drive and determination of his earlier coaching days. Or maybe he is a just a red-blooded competitor who wants to smash footballs, recruit with fire, smash the B1G, and crush wins until the day he dies. I would take a Les like that all day long.
A situation where Les Miles would come here with fire and desire, for 10 years, and build the program for the next decade might be better than hiring a PJ Fleck type who might come here and do great things, but leave after 5 years for higher ground.
Do we think he'd retire at Purdue if he were to come here??
62 is not 'old', I am only afraid he wouldn't have the drive and determination of his earlier coaching days. Or maybe he is a just a red-blooded competitor who wants to smash footballs, recruit with fire, smash the B1G, and crush wins until the day he dies. I would take a Les like that all day long.
A situation where Les Miles would come here with fire and desire, for 10 years, and build the program for the next decade might be better than hiring a PJ Fleck type who might come here and do great things, but leave after 5 years for higher ground.
Why couldn't he get similar talent that he got at OSU? What do they offer that PU doesn't? I agree on LSU, but OSU has it's own challenges in recruiting.
OSU has amazing facilities and access to Texas talent. I'd say we have neither and probably as much or more competition to the talent we do have access to.
I dont want a 62 year old retread.Give us a younger,energetic guy who we might have for 15 or 20 years.I know I am dreaming big,but why not?And I am 64,not picking on old guys ,and have never been called a clueless moron,just many other things.Like a louse and a weasel.
I agree. Plus we would have to get a second hire right in a few more years. What's the odds of two coaching hires in 5 years both working out?
For Purdue to hire two winning football coaches in a row within five years would be incredible.So you also think I am a louse and a weasel?
PJ Fleck ain't coming, sorry to disappoint everyone. All the other candidates are largely unproven and uninspiring. Guys like Brohm, Spack, etc. are not going to move the needle.
You give Miles a good OC, heck even keep Terry Malone, and the needle will move in a big way. Miles has both the highest ceiling and the highest floor of all the candidate we are "considering". We need to take a home run swing here.
Most college football experts still have a very high opinion of Miles. As recently as the beginning of this season, many of the respected media outlets published coach rankings and Miles was in the top 15 in all of the Sporting News, USA Today, CBS Sports, Fox Sports rankings.
So back to the question of why there are some many freaking clueless mornons on this board? That is worded way too strongly, but most are ignoring the perspective of the professionals in the media who do this every day for a living, most of whom still believe that Miles is one of the top coaches in the country. And they will all be laughing at us if we turn down Miles for someone like Brohm or OSU's offensive coordinator. The headlines of typical purdue will write themselves.
