Here's what the Liberals really want:

[Bruce1]

Why China is still trying to achieve zero Covid

While other countries grapple with living with Covid, China is doubling down on stamping it out.

www.bbc.com

Read this article carefully and you can see that the Chinese people on the street are totally OK with the Government running every aspect of their lives. The Dem/Libs want the same thing here. Note the comment that Chinese whose passports are expiring are not getting them renewed. Total Gov control.

Dumb down the education of the people to make them like sheep

No God or Religion. The Government is God

Control all travel and movement of the people

Control the media

Dissidents jailed or disappear

Mandatory vaccines

Enslaving minorities

Control the economy

get the picture? Welcome to the Socialist Democratic Party of America

oh by the way, here is another little tidbit: https://thefederalist.com/2022/04/2...sociation-picks-marxist-lesbian-as-president/

 

[Bill4411]

Why China is still trying to achieve zero Covid

While other countries grapple with living with Covid, China is doubling down on stamping it out.

www.bbc.com

Read this article carefully and you can see that the Chinese people on the street are totally OK with the Government running every aspect of their lives. The Dem/Libs want the same thing here. Note the comment that Chinese whose passports are expiring are not getting them renewed. Total Gov control.

Dumb down the education of the people to make them like sheep

No God or Religion. The Government is God

Control all travel and movement of the people

Control the media

Dissidents jailed or disappear

Mandatory vaccines

Enslaving minorities

Control the economy

get the picture? Welcome to the Socialist Democratic Party of America

oh by the way, here is another little tidbit: https://thefederalist.com/2022/04/2...sociation-picks-marxist-lesbian-as-president/

What about free and fair elections?

 

[Bruce1]

What about free and fair elections?

good catch. I will add this thanks

 

[BuilderBob6]

Why China is still trying to achieve zero Covid

While other countries grapple with living with Covid, China is doubling down on stamping it out.

www.bbc.com

Read this article carefully and you can see that the Chinese people on the street are totally OK with the Government running every aspect of their lives. The Dem/Libs want the same thing here. Note the comment that Chinese whose passports are expiring are not getting them renewed. Total Gov control.

Dumb down the education of the people to make them like sheep

No God or Religion. The Government is God

Control all travel and movement of the people

Control the media

Dissidents jailed or disappear

Mandatory vaccines

Enslaving minorities

Control the economy

get the picture? Welcome to the Socialist Democratic Party of America

oh by the way, here is another little tidbit: https://thefederalist.com/2022/04/2...sociation-picks-marxist-lesbian-as-president/

They also live in society where speaking out against the government lands you in a work camp. They've learned not to speak out against anything. What would you expect them to say?

Seems to some people don't like it much.


The Dems want all that here......because you say so? How much of what you posted is REALLY going on here?

 

[PurdueFan1]

Why China is still trying to achieve zero Covid

While other countries grapple with living with Covid, China is doubling down on stamping it out.

www.bbc.com

Read this article carefully and you can see that the Chinese people on the street are totally OK with the Government running every aspect of their lives. The Dem/Libs want the same thing here. Note the comment that Chinese whose passports are expiring are not getting them renewed. Total Gov control.

Dumb down the education of the people to make them like sheep

No God or Religion. The Government is God

Control all travel and movement of the people

Control the media

Dissidents jailed or disappear

Mandatory vaccines

Enslaving minorities

Control the economy

get the picture? Welcome to the Socialist Democratic Party of America

oh by the way, here is another little tidbit: https://thefederalist.com/2022/04/2...sociation-picks-marxist-lesbian-as-president/

You forgot that we want all of your guns and that we’re going to molest allllll of the kids, Bruce. How on earth could you have forgotten those things? 😂😂😂

 

[Bruce1]

They also live in society where speaking out against the government lands you in a work camp. They've learned not to speak out against anything. What would you expect them to say?

Seems to some people don't like it much.

View embedded media

The Dems want all that here......because you say so? How much of what you posted is REALLY going on here?

You have to live in a bubble to not see the same trends here. It starts with controlling the schools, creating pathways to easily corrupted elections, keeping poor people on the government dole through welfare, flooding the country with poorly educated immigrants to add to the welfare mess.

 

[BuilderBob6]

You have to live in a bubble to not see the same trends here. It starts with controlling the schools, creating pathways to easily corrupted elections, keeping poor people on the government dole through welfare, flooding the country with poorly educated immigrants to add to the welfare mess.

So I'll assume that you agree people in China may in fact not be OK with their government running their lives.........they just can't say so because it puts them at a severe risk of punishment by their government.

So it's just trends? The election was corrupt? Rigged? Stolen? Are you one of those?

Let's see what happens in '22 or '24.........when a state legislature, who rewrote their election laws to prevent the fraud that wasn't, tries to overrule the election results for their side.

I don't see a trend of taking over the schools by the Dems. I see accusations of things that aren't even going on......and pub politicians blowing them up to scare the shit out of people so they can get elected.

I see a disaster for the Dems if Biden revokes title 42.......and intelligent Dems see it too and are pushing back.

The trends I see are excessive wokeness on the part of the Dems and a movement to normalize authoritarianism on the part of the pubs.

 

[Bruce1]

So I'll assume that you agree people in China may in fact not be OK with their government running their lives.........they just can't say so because it puts them at a severe risk of punishment by their government.

So it's just trends? The election was corrupt? Rigged? Stolen? Are you one of those?

Let's see what happens in '22 or '24.........when a state legislature, who rewrote their election laws to prevent the fraud that wasn't, tries to overrule the election results for their side.

I don't see a trend of taking over the schools by the Dems. I see accusations of things that aren't even going on......and pub politicians blowing them up to scare the shit out of people so they can get elected.

I see a disaster for the Dems if Biden revokes title 42.......and intelligent Dems see it too and are pushing back.

The trends I see are excessive wokeness on the part of the Dems and a movement to normalize authoritarianism on the part of the pubs.

Thanks for the response. Your logic is exactly what libs in this country are doing in mass. This stuff is going on right under your nose and your reports from CNN, MSNBC, etc don't inform you. You need to check it out and educate yourself.

One point: Election fraud. Have you looked at the investigations that have gone on in many states since the election? I'm not talking about the Trump BS. There were many investigations that proved election laws were violated that affected very large numbers of votes. Some state AG's are pursuing some are not.

 

[BuilderBob6]

Thanks for the response. Your logic is exactly what libs in this country are doing in mass. This stuff is going on right under your nose and your reports from CNN, MSNBC, etc don't inform you. You need to check it out and educate yourself.

One point: Election fraud. Have you looked at the investigations that have gone on in many states since the election? I'm not talking about the Trump BS. There were many investigations that proved election laws were violated that affected very large numbers of votes. Some state AG's are pursuing some are not.

Oh shit, the media strikes again......and I am being duped again because that's all I watch.......and I can't think for myself. That about cover it?

Why don't you link some of the election fraud you see in your travels?

Ok, I will.

GOP megadonor Steven Hotze charged after a bogus election fraud scheme led a former cop to threaten a repairman

The charges stem from Hotze’s hiring of more than a dozen private investigators to look for voter fraud in Harris County ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

www.texastribune.org

3 residents of The Villages cast multiple votes in 2020 election, police say

The arrests come weeks after Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis pledged to create a law enforcement agency to investigate election crimes, despite there being little evidence of electoral malfeasance in the Sunshine State.

www.fox13news.com

Opinion | Turns out there was election fraud — by the GOP

Ten Wisconsin Republican officials signed phony documents in an attempt to overturn Electoral College votes.

captimes.com

The Pattern of GOP Voter Fraud

In case after case from 2020, it turns out that Republicans were the ones misbehaving at the ballot box.

www.thebulwark.com

My personal favorite.

Mark Meadows Simply Cannot Stop Registering to Vote in Multiple States

Mark Meadows, Trump's former chief of staff, was registered in not two, but three states, including South Carolina.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[PurdueFan1]

Thanks for the response. Your logic is exactly what libs in this country are doing in mass. This stuff is going on right under your nose and your reports from CNN, MSNBC, etc don't inform you. You need to check it out and educate yourself.

One point: Election fraud. Have you looked at the investigations that have gone on in many states since the election? I'm not talking about the Trump BS. There were many investigations that proved election laws were violated that affected very large numbers of votes. Some state AG's are pursuing some are not.

They do this stuff in church??

 

[BSIT]

They also live in society where speaking out against the government lands you in a work camp. They've learned not to speak out against anything. What would you expect them to say?

Seems to some people don't like it much.

View embedded media

The Dems want all that here......because you say so? How much of what you posted is REALLY going on here?

So you support free speech? I’m afraid that Dems and media are for censoring

 

[purduepat1969]

So you support free speech? I’m afraid that Dems and media are for censoring

This is how insane liberals are. Washington State legislature bans the word "marijauna" from state law, calling it "racist". How "necessary" was this law @PurdueFan1 ?

Washington lawmakers claim term ‘marijuana’ is racist, remove it from state laws

“The term ‘marijuana’ itself is pejorative and racist,” a Democrat state representative, who sponsored the bill, said during testimony.

thepostmillennial.com

 

[charlespig]

Why China is still trying to achieve zero Covid

While other countries grapple with living with Covid, China is doubling down on stamping it out.

www.bbc.com

Read this article carefully and you can see that the Chinese people on the street are totally OK with the Government running every aspect of their lives. The Dem/Libs want the same thing here. Note the comment that Chinese whose passports are expiring are not getting them renewed. Total Gov control.

Dumb down the education of the people to make them like sheep

No God or Religion. The Government is God

Control all travel and movement of the people

Control the media

Dissidents jailed or disappear

Mandatory vaccines

Enslaving minorities

Control the economy

get the picture? Welcome to the Socialist Democratic Party of America

oh by the way, here is another little tidbit: https://thefederalist.com/2022/04/2...sociation-picks-marxist-lesbian-as-president/

I've lived in China long enough that I could read, write, and speak Chinese. I follow the stories in Shanghai (obviously not the "official" version, but from what gets leaked out from the Chinese social media that get removed quickly by the censor police). If you want to ridicule the stupidity of the Chinese government to insist on a Covid-zero strategy in the Omicron era with vaccine that has proved to be largely effective in preventing severe cases, I'm all with you.

But you somehow linking it to libs/Dems is just utter nonsense. For example, no God or religion? The current President is a Dem and he's Catholic. The previous Dem President Obama is Christian. Enslaving minorities? Huh, who are the minorities getting enslaved these days? Control the media? That's even more laughable. China is controlling the media. Just today, the Hong Kong Foreign Correspondents' Club suspends its top Asian human rights awards because they are concerned it would violate the local laws. That's how crazy the control is over there. You wanna compare that to what the Dems (or hack, the GOP) has done? It's like comparing Michael Jordan to the best player in your local YMCA.

Aren't you just sick of these tribal attack nonsense? It's like if people don't find something to b!tch about the liberals (or conservatives, depending on your tribe) they have nothing better to do in life. Geez, for crying out loud, do something that actually makes you happy. Spend time with your loved ones, have a walk in the park, read a good book, or go exercise. Do whatever that makes you happy, instead of linking every crazy things happening in the world to the Dems (or Republicans).

 

[Nbergbuck]

So I'll assume that you agree people in China may in fact not be OK with their government running their lives.........they just can't say so because it puts them at a severe risk of punishment by their government.

So it's just trends? The election was corrupt? Rigged? Stolen? Are you one of those?

Let's see what happens in '22 or '24.........when a state legislature, who rewrote their election laws to prevent the fraud that wasn't, tries to overrule the election results for their side.

I don't see a trend of taking over the schools by the Dems. I see accusations of things that aren't even going on......and pub politicians blowing them up to scare the shit out of people so they can get elected.

I see a disaster for the Dems if Biden revokes title 42.......and intelligent Dems see it too and are pushing back.

The trends I see are excessive wokeness on the part of the Dems and a movement to normalize authoritarianism on the part of the pubs.

The democrats are powerful in the public schools. I can tell you who the NEA (I was a member for 36 years) will endorse for president in 2036. The democrat as always. BTW, the NEA never asked me who should be endorsed.

 

[PurdueFan1]

This is how insane liberals are. Washington State legislature bans the word "marijauna" from state law, calling it "racist". How "necessary" was this law @PurdueFan1 ?

Washington lawmakers claim term ‘marijuana’ is racist, remove it from state laws

“The term ‘marijuana’ itself is pejorative and racist,” a Democrat state representative, who sponsored the bill, said during testimony.

thepostmillennial.com

Yet another link from the website that says it’s mission is to go after the left. Could you try not to be so lazy with your attacks, pat?

 

[Droid12345]

Why China is still trying to achieve zero Covid

While other countries grapple with living with Covid, China is doubling down on stamping it out.

www.bbc.com

Read this article carefully and you can see that the Chinese people on the street are totally OK with the Government running every aspect of their lives. The Dem/Libs want the same thing here. Note the comment that Chinese whose passports are expiring are not getting them renewed. Total Gov control.

Dumb down the education of the people to make them like sheep

No God or Religion. The Government is God

Control all travel and movement of the people

Control the media

Dissidents jailed or disappear

Mandatory vaccines

Enslaving minorities

Control the economy

get the picture? Welcome to the Socialist Democratic Party of America

oh by the way, here is another little tidbit: https://thefederalist.com/2022/04/2...sociation-picks-marxist-lesbian-as-president/

Oh, man, you got us. Shoot, and we were so close to getting away with it, too! Ok persons, they figured it out, let's go come up with a new plan.

 

[Droid12345]

The democrats are powerful in the public schools. I can tell you who the NEA (I was a member for 36 years) will endorse for president in 2036. The democrat as always. BTW, the NEA never asked me who should be endorsed.

While I agree you're probably right about who NEA would endorse based on current party platforms, couldn't that also simply be evidence that NEA endorses the candidates who support public education? Or is being a Democrat the only possible reason anyone would ever endorse a Democrat?

Let's say the parties switched platforms regarding education, do you think NEA would still endorse Democrats in that case? Or would they support the candidates that adopt the policies for which NEA advocates?

 

[purduepat1969]

Yet another link from the website that says it’s mission is to go after the left. Could you try not to be so lazy with your attacks, pat?

I can copy at least a dozen links if that helps you realize this is a real story...

Lawmakers strike the word ‘marijuana’ from all state laws, calling term racist

Supporters say the word “marijuana” has a long history of racism.

www.kiro7.com

Legislators remove 'marijuana' from state laws, citing word's racist roots

Lawmakers in Washington state passed a law to change currently existing codes using the word “marijuana,” to out instances where the word is used with "cannabis" instead.

www.abcactionnews.com

 

[Boilermaker03]

So I'll assume that you agree people in China may in fact not be OK with their government running their lives.........they just can't say so because it puts them at a severe risk of punishment by their government.

So it's just trends? The election was corrupt? Rigged? Stolen? Are you one of those?

Let's see what happens in '22 or '24.........when a state legislature, who rewrote their election laws to prevent the fraud that wasn't, tries to overrule the election results for their side.

I don't see a trend of taking over the schools by the Dems. I see accusations of things that aren't even going on......and pub politicians blowing them up to scare the shit out of people so they can get elected.

I see a disaster for the Dems if Biden revokes title 42.......and intelligent Dems see it too and are pushing back.

The trends I see are excessive wokeness on the part of the Dems and a movement to normalize authoritarianism on the part of the pubs.

What has the right done that is remotely authoritarian?

 

[Boilermaker03]

While I agree you're probably right about who NEA would endorse based on current party platforms, couldn't that also simply be evidence that NEA endorses the candidates who support public education? Or is being a Democrat the only possible reason anyone would ever endorse a Democrat?

Let's say the parties switched platforms regarding education, do you think NEA would still endorse Democrats in that case? Or would they support the candidates that adopt the policies for which NEA advocates?

So your claim is that the right doesn't support public education?

Of course the NEA would support the right if the platforms switched because they support the group that will not allow change, but change is what is needed to fix our schools.

 

[purduepat1969]

While I agree you're probably right about who NEA would endorse based on current party platforms, couldn't that also simply be evidence that NEA endorses the candidates who support public education? Or is being a Democrat the only possible reason anyone would ever endorse a Democrat?

Let's say the parties switched platforms regarding education, do you think NEA would still endorse Democrats in that case? Or would they support the candidates that adopt the policies for which NEA advocates?

And yet the only thing the NEA really cares about is teacher pay and their support of teacher's unions and tenure. Gee, I wonder why the NEA supports Democrats?...

 

[BuilderBob6]

What has the right done that is remotely authoritarian?

I'll take them one at a time.

Trump did this.

Trump’s Plan to Gut the Civil Service

By creating a new type of federal position, Schedule F, President Trump has empowered federal agencies to move scores of career federal employees into positions for

www.lawfareblog.com

And in March he said he wants to do this if reelected.

"We will pass critical reforms making every executive-branch employee fireable by the president of the United States. The deep state must and will be brought to heel. It's already happening."

 

[PurdueFan1]

I can copy at least a dozen links if that helps you realize this is a real story...

Lawmakers strike the word ‘marijuana’ from all state laws, calling term racist

Supporters say the word “marijuana” has a long history of racism.

www.kiro7.com

Legislators remove 'marijuana' from state laws, citing word's racist roots

Lawmakers in Washington state passed a law to change currently existing codes using the word “marijuana,” to out instances where the word is used with "cannabis" instead.

www.abcactionnews.com

Thank you for posting links from actual sources. So what about the stories have your panties so twisted? Like in the grand scheme, who in the fukk cares? Keep calling it marijuana. No one is stopping you. Is this the kind of stuff that just ruins your day? It’s good to know you won’t be moving out of Snowflake City any time soon.

 

[Boilermaker03]

I'll take them one at a time.

Trump did this.

Trump’s Plan to Gut the Civil Service

By creating a new type of federal position, Schedule F, President Trump has empowered federal agencies to move scores of career federal employees into positions for

www.lawfareblog.com

And in March he said he wants to do this if reelected.

"We will pass critical reforms making every executive-branch employee fireable by the president of the United States. The deep state must and will be brought to heel. It's already happening."

So making it easier to fire people that are horrible at their jobs is authoritarian? It's near impossible to fire people in many government positions. I would say this is a very good thing and not authoritarian at all. The only change I would do is that I wouldn't make it solely the roll of the president, but it's a step in the right direction.

 

[Droid12345]

So your claim is that the right doesn't support public education?

Of course the NEA would support the right if the platforms switched because they support the group that will not allow change, but change is what is needed to fix our schools.

I didn’t say anything about the respective policies, I simply questioned whether NEA supports Democrats because they are Democrats themselves, as the post I responded to implied, or if it could be because they support the policies advocated by Democrats with regards to education.

 

[Droid12345]

And yet the only thing the NEA really cares about is teacher pay and their support of teacher's unions and tenure. Gee, I wonder why the NEA supports Democrats?...

I mean, NEA IS a union, so that makes a lot of sense that they would support unions. But that still supports my thought that they support Democrats because of Democratic policy positions, and not necessarily just because Democrats control NEA.

 

[purduepat1969]

I mean, NEA IS a union, so that makes a lot of sense that they would support unions. But that still supports my thought that they support Democrats because of Democratic policy positions, and not necessarily just because Democrats control NEA.

When you control policy positions, and more importantly money, you buy the support of the NEA...

 

[purduepat1969]

Thank you for posting links from actual sources. So what about the stories have your panties so twisted? Like in the grand scheme, who in the fukk cares? Keep calling it marijuana. No one is stopping you. Is this the kind of stuff that just ruins your day? It’s good to know you won’t be moving out of Snowflake City any time soon.

Well, I'm just doing what you're doing. I'm stating this law isn't necessary. That's my objection to it. Just like your objection to the "Don't say gay law" is only because it isn't necessary. I mean, if you get your panties in a twist over nothing, I guess I can too...

 

[Droid12345]

When you control policy positions, and more importantly money, you buy the support of the NEA...

I'm not sure I understand this. Are you saying the Democrats control their own policy positions? I completely agree, but that seems really mundane. Are you saying the Democrats give money to NEA? My guess is that actually goes the other direction.

 

[purduepat1969]

I'm not sure I understand this. Are you saying the Democrats control their own policy positions? I completely agree, but that seems really mundane. Are you saying the Democrats give money to NEA? My guess is that actually goes the other direction.

I'll keep it simple. Democrats, who control blue states like Illinois, are providing more pay to teachers. Sometimes this results in better student performance, sometimes not. But that extra pay will obviously win loyalty from teacher unions...you pay, you play...

 

[PurdueFan1]

Well, I'm just doing what you're doing. I'm stating this law isn't necessary. That's my objection to it. Just like your objection to the "Don't say gay law" is only because it isn't necessary. I mean, if you get your panties in a twist over nothing, I guess I can too...

You’re not making the point you think you are, pat. I mean you couldn’t be more off here but go off I guess.

 

[Droid12345]

I'll keep it simple. Democrats, who control blue states like Illinois, are providing more pay to teachers. Sometimes this results in better student performance, sometimes not. But that extra pay will obviously win loyalty from teacher unions...you pay, you play...

Ok then. Without getting into the merits of either party's education policies, I agree with you. But I still don't understand about what's supposed to be so mind-blowing about it. An organization that advocates for higher teacher pay supports the party that advocates for higher teacher pay? How shocking! You've not told anyone anything they didn't already know, but are trying to make it sound like it's something nefarious.

It'd be like me saying Republicans "control" the NRA. They don't, but the Republican platform regarding guns lines up with the advocacy of the NRA, so of COURSE they would support Republicans. If the parties switched platforms, these two organizations would switch loyalties. It's not about party, it's about platform.

 

[purduepat1969]

Ok then. Without getting into the merits of either party's education policies, I agree with you. But I still don't understand about what's supposed to be so mind-blowing about it. An organization that advocates for higher teacher pay supports the party that advocates for higher teacher pay? How shocking! You've not told anyone anything they didn't already know, but are trying to make it sound like it's something nefarious.

It'd be like me saying Republicans "control" the NRA. They don't, but the Republican platform regarding guns lines up with the advocacy of the NRA, so of COURSE they would support Republicans. If the parties switched platforms, these two organizations would switch loyalties. It's not about party, it's about platform.

I'm not trying to make it sound nefarious. But all we've heard from teachers unions is to increase pay. To what end? Are the same teachers going to teach better because they're now paid more? And if they are, why didn't they prior?

 

[Droid12345]

But all we've heard from teachers unions is to increase pay. To what end? Are the same teachers going to teach better because they're now paid more? And if they are, why didn't they prior?

It's demonstrably not ALL we've heard, so that's a false statement.

But, I mean, the "end" for advocacy for higher teacher pay is pretty easy: make it a more attractive profession so that more good people will enter the field, fewer good people will leave the field, etc. I'm not here to argue for the merits of that position, but you seem to think that NEA doesn't care about students and just represents a bunch of greedy teachers who want more money.

But none of that matters to the initial thrust of the conversation. It's completely mundane to point out that an organization that advocates for certain things would support the party that at least says they want to try to do those things. And that doesn't mean that organization is "controlled" by that party.

 

[BSIT]

It's demonstrably not ALL we've heard, so that's a false statement.

But, I mean, the "end" for advocacy for higher teacher pay is pretty easy: make it a more attractive profession so that more good people will enter the field, fewer good people will leave the field, etc. I'm not here to argue for the merits of that position, but you seem to think that NEA doesn't care about students and just represents a bunch of greedy teachers who want more money.

But none of that matters to the initial thrust of the conversation. It's completely mundane to point out that an organization that advocates for certain things would support the party that at least says they want to try to do those things. And that doesn't mean that organization is "controlled" by that party.

Are high performing private schools unionized? Therein lies the answer

 

[Droid12345]

Are high performing private schools unionized? Therein lies the answer

Do high-performing private schools have to provide special education services? Can they expel students who have low academic performance (thereby sending kids back to public schools to drag down their average)? Do they have to accept students whose parents are poor? Do they depend on local property values to get their funding? Can private schools limit their total enrollment and, by extension, their class sizes?

I didn't enter the thread to debate the merits of teacher unions, but there are MANY differences between private and public schools. You can't just attribute a difference in performance (however you decide to measure that) to only one of them.

 

[BSIT]

Do high-performing private schools have to provide special education services? Can they expel students who have low academic performance (thereby sending kids back to public schools to drag down their average)? Do they have to accept students whose parents are poor? Do they depend on local property values to get their funding? Can private schools limit their total enrollment and, by extension, their class sizes?

I didn't enter the thread to debate the merits of teacher unions, but there are MANY differences between private and public schools. You can't just attribute a difference in performance (however you decide to measure that) to only one of them.

So I take it you are against charter schools along with vouchers that would allow for poorer families to choose schools to get a better education? The party of right to choose is as far from it to protect poor performance

 

[Droid12345]

So I take it you are against charter schools along with vouchers that would allow for poorer families to choose schools to get a better education? The party of right to choose is as far from it to protect poor performance

If it actually worked how its advocates say it would, I'd have no problem with it. But, charter schools don't have room for everyone so some people are always left behind through no fault of their own. Vouchers almost never cover the full cost of private schools, so they only help a certain portion of people. They do nothing for people who can't afford anything more than their local public school.

I'd much rather invest in correcting the problems that public schools face rather than ignore them and pretend that everyone can just go to a better school if they want to. I don't have a problem, in principle, with school choice, but in acknowledging that the choice may be necessary for some, we are just accepting that some schools are going to be bad and there's, apparently, nothing we can do about it. I reject this notion. Rather than ensure everyone can choose the school they want, I'd prefer we work to make it so such a choice is unnecessary.

But anyway, we've gone far afield from the original point I wanted to make about the reason for NEA's support of Democrats. Have a good one.

 

[BSIT]

If it actually worked how its advocates say it would, I'd have no problem with it. But, charter schools don't have room for everyone so some people are always left behind through no fault of their own. Vouchers almost never cover the full cost of private schools, so they only help a certain portion of people. They do nothing for people who can't afford anything more than their local public school.

I'd much rather invest in correcting the problems that public schools face rather than ignore them and pretend that everyone can just go to a better school if they want to. I don't have a problem, in principle, with school choice, but in acknowledging that the choice may be necessary for some, we are just accepting that some schools are going to be bad and there's, apparently, nothing we can do about it. I reject this notion. Rather than ensure everyone can choose the school they want, I'd prefer we work to make it so such a choice is unnecessary.

But anyway, we've gone far afield from the original point I wanted to make about the reason for NEA's support of Democrats. Have a good one.

I think there needs to be accountability and I’m afraid competition is the only way to make this happen. It’s sad that some schools have been historically bad and haven’t improved

 

[Droid12345]

I think there needs to be accountability and I’m afraid competition is the only way to make this happen. It’s sad that some schools have been historically bad and haven’t improved

Ok, one last quick one, because you bring up an interesting point. I'm cool with accountability, but the way we do it seems off. We evaluate teachers not on their teaching, but based largely on student test scores. That'd be like evaluating doctors based on the health of their patients rather than on whether they made a correct diagnosis and prescribed proper treatment. Competition is often presented as the answer, but I don't see how. Competition in business doesn't make EVERY business better. The ones who compete well thrive and the ones who don't fold. Is that what we want for schools?

There are lots of successful educational models around the world (Finland remarkable turnaround is an interesting case study), but for whatever reason, we Americans tend to think "oh that would never work here" or that we just have better ideas than everyone else just because we're American and foreign ideas are inherently bad, or something. Instead, we seem to keep doubling down on things we pretty much know DON'T work, like excessive standardized testing, and whatnot.

Ok, for real now, I've got stuff to do lol