If not IT's minutes, who's minutes should Morton get? What does IT do better than Morton?
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IT was a 4 star coming out of high school and ranked #82 so if not us, he certainly would of ended up on another DIV 1 team. If he hadn't of come here, he is one you would be clamoring CMP should of gone after.
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The “are you a relative?” argument. Very compelling.
IT just played the most minutes against PSU that he has in any game all season. Get used to it.
In 2019 there were people complaining about Grady Eifert starting after just about every game, but Painter paid no attention. I see a lot of similarities.
He has to get his confidence in his shot back quickly. Without him hitting consistently, we are playing 4 v 5 on offense.
Not that it matters much, but he had a grade of 82, he wasn't ranked #82. 4 star outside the top 100, so probably in the 100-130 range by ESPN.
Fair enough, but since 'stars' are what are used often on here, that is the telling stat anyway. My point still remains that he would of been a starter on a DIV 1 team somewhere like he is now. And a top 10 team at that.
Agreed, but I do think it's also fair to point out that he has hurt us at times so far in conference play. Only 8 points, 7 rebounds, and 3 assists total in our 4 conference games.
I don’t see a lack of confidence. He did have a couple forced shots in the past couple games, though. As long as opponents are afraid to let him get open, he doesn’t need a high volume of shots.
According to 24/7, he's a 3 star and ranked 211.
His only other offer was Butler. Granted, that's probably because everyone else knew that if he got a Purdue offer he was taking it.
Again, I'l ask, tell me what IT does better than Morton?
3 pt shooter? IT but needs to be wide open.
Defense: Morton
Rebounding: Morton
Ball handling: Morton
Passing: close, but edge Morton
Creating for others: Morton
Getting into lane/rim: Morton
And I'm not sure what using Eifert as a comparison has to do with it. Eifert was an undersized walk-on at the 4. Perhaps if Painter could have recruited a Furst or TKR to put at the 4, we win the NC that year.
Morton isn't capable of guarding opposing 1s. Ivey would have to move to guarding the point which would tire him out and put him in more fouling situations. I agree IT is an issue, but I don't believe there is a clear cut answer on the roster.
Okay if you're going to point those out, there are games where he quite possibly won the game for us. It goes both ways.
Plus according to bonefish, 'stars matter' so he more than likely in a slump than anything else.
I'll take Morton's D over IT's any day. Morton has taken on the defacto shut down job to try and slow down the teams hot hand.
Why would guarding the pt tire out Ivey? It's not like he needs to guard him 94 feet.
All Ivey needs to do is play good enough D not to get into foul trouble so he can stay on the floor.
So, the next time we offer a 3 star, 5'11 150# guard ranked in the 200's, you'll be excited?
Do you think Morton should be getting IT's minutes?
IT isn't a 3 star though, he's 4. I literally linked to it. Morton is technically a year behind due to mono, but eventually he likely is going to be our floor general.
My observation is that Ivey and Furst are having trouble staying with their man on defense. That is a killer issue for both of them. Both IT and Hunter do better with IT being the best of the pair. You don’t have to over power your man to guard him. Yes, you can get shot over, but if you are up in the opponents business, that is often enough. If you get lost and the opponent gets open dots, the basket starts to look really big.
Big/athletic guards are the winning ticket come tourney time, especially.
Ivey just cheats in to gamble in on a steal and dunk highlight clip. His fundamental D is pretty meh at best.
Ivey just cheats in to gamble in on a steal and dunk highlight clip. His fundamental D is pretty meh at best.
I know what you are saying, but Gillis is so much better than Grady. Better shooter, athlete, stronger, ect. Also Grady didnt play much till his Senior year and Gillis started as a freshman and is putting up better numbers than Eifert did in his senior year and Gillis is only a Sophomore.
The one thing they have in common is they are both junk yard dogs, and I love what Grady made of himself as a player through sure will hard work, but Gillis is so much better.
I stated to begin with that it's fair to say he hasn't been very good in conference play. He has had some good games this year overall. In conference play he hasn't been good.
I'll take IT guarding the opposing team's PG over Morton. IT is much quicker. Painter has stated Morton won't be playing the 1.
Isn't that exactly what Braden Smith is?
Braden Smith, Purdue Boilermakers, Point Guard
Braden Smith is a 5-10, 165-pound Point Guard from Westfield, IN.
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Count me in the excited group for him.
The Eifert comparison is relevant because this discussion is about players on the current roster.
Can I name players who I think would be an upgrade over IT who are not on the current roster? Of course. But, this conversation is about the current roster.
I’ll be very surprised if IT doesn’t play 20+ minutes consistently for the rest of the year. Like Eifert in 2019, he plays his role very well and Painter values that.
Precisely. I've made my feelings on this known.Isn't that exactly what Braden Smith is?
Braden Smith, Purdue Boilermakers, Point Guard
Braden Smith is a 5-10, 165-pound Point Guard from Westfield, IN.
Count me in the excited group for him.
Nothing would make me happier than for him to prove me wrong and I'm watching him in the FF in a Purdue uni some day. We'll see .
The PG position is by far the weakness of this years team. It should have been addressed and upgraded via the portal by Painter in the off season but it wasn't.
FWIW Braden is at least 6' now. Recruiting rankings and measurements are probably going to be all out of sorts from AAU tournaments being cancelled or limited in attendanceIsn't that exactly what Braden Smith is?
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Braden Smith is a 5-10, 165-pound Point Guard from Westfield, IN.
Count me in the excited group for him.
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Agree 100%...well put.
I actually think outside of Furst, Gillis currently has the highest ceiling on the team going forward.
Obviously besides Ivey you mean, and i am not sure.
I think Gillis can be a very Lamar Stevens like player. Lamar played PF at Penn State and put up much better numbers, but we are a deeper team. Lamar isnt nearly the shooter as Gillis, but he was an undersized PF undrafted now playing wing for the Cavs.
Basically if Gillis plays all 4 years, continues to develop and plays hard and defends, switches to SF, there is no reason he cant leave the dream of being the NBA, even if it starts as one of those 2 way contracts. Kids a hard worker and athletic, that is always a good thing in sports.
Yes, I am thinking of beyond this season and so then leaving Ivey out of that equation.
Do we think Edey is leaving for sure? He isnt exactly built for modern NBA and has 2 years to develop to prove GM's wrong.
How about the kids coming in, we have another talented class.
I dont want to root against Gillis, love kids who play like him, does so many things that dont show up in the stats, just thought Newman was much better until this year. But i do love Gillis's game.
I personally think Edey is a four year NCAA player. As you mention, he is not a modern NBA big at all, so that works out for us.
I think you might be right, but I think if he declares now he is a 2nd round pick, so I dont know if that intices him enough to stay or go. Honestly have no idea what is in his mind. He improves ridiculously each year though, gets more playing time if he stays, if he goes pro he will be glued to the bench for several yeasrs.
We will see.
Well, back to Gillis. In the Gold Standard interview,
Mason mentioned how Coach & Purdue never
waivered or lied to him during recruitment or
the surgery. I'm sure Waddell had ?'s for him.
If there is a loose ball on the ground, Gillis will
find it 80% of the time, or wrestle someone to
the ground for it. Would've lost to PSU w/o him.
Here is a link to the Mason Gillis Gold Standard
interview. It's a 15min facebook video. I learned
a lot about him. Baseball, injury, surgery, rehab,
working on jump shot, & CHARACTER.
Mason mentioned how Coach & Purdue never
waivered or lied to him during recruitment or
the surgery. I'm sure Waddell had ?'s for him.
If there is a loose ball on the ground, Gillis will
find it 80% of the time, or wrestle someone to
the ground for it. Would've lost to PSU w/o him.
Here is a link to the Mason Gillis Gold Standard
interview. It's a 15min facebook video. I learned
a lot about him. Baseball, injury, surgery, rehab,
working on jump shot, & CHARACTER.
Our disagreement may be more in our evaluation of what Grady brought to this team as opposed to Gillis. The skills you mention is what I meant by the "2.0" part of the comparison.
Gillis is certainly good enough to get paid to play at some point. I doubt he makes it to the league, but if Tate from OSU can get there (and start), I'm not convinced Gillis doesn't have a chance.
I dont think its even money he even makes it to the league, but I agree he has a chance.
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