Is it me or does this group seem to be uncertain as to who plays that 4 or is going to be who shows up, CMP seemed to pull TKR last night.
Gillis TKR Furst
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Painter has said he will play the hot hand.
I’m not sure of the three who had the hot hand. None of the three took more than 5 shots
The guy who fits the best at the 4 (Gillis) is the least talented of the three of them. TKR and Furst are both more talented but they just don’t fit.
Would love to see CMP go small with Heide or Colvin at the 4 at some point/as the season progresses.
Would love to see CMP go small with Heide or Colvin at the 4 at some point/as the season progresses.
Agree - I want to see Heide play the 4 next to Edey. I think his athleticism would be a great compliment!
Colvin is good and going to be good, but he most certainly cannot guard the 4. Heide though would be interesting to see how he’d do at the 4.
For me, it's a toss up. I think Furst is the most talented. Whoever is playing the best on a particular night should get the minutes until one of them can separate himself from the other two.
I want to see Heide at the 4 and Colvin at the 3. Put Morton and Jones out front and Edey in the middle, and you could maybe play a z…. Never mind….
Pretty clear that TKR and Zach is not working as they anticipated. TKR's seeming reversion to last year (no shot other than a hook shot) just isn't the plan or the need. Gillis D is unmatchable by the others. Furst is the closest and much longer and the best rebounder and fast breaker. TKR's claim to the spot was about his shooting and ability to stretch the D. That has not happened to date.
He played the guys impacting the game the most.
That will continue and if TKR continues to play "Mini Zach" and nothing else, his minutes will continue to drop.
He needs a jump start of sorts.
Yeah, Heide, Colvin , Jones, Edey, Smith interesting lineup ....pick up the pace...vs set offense always, gonna need it , in November and March
TKR might be the most talented but he clearly is not effective unless playing the 5. I want Furst to start. He is better at giving Edey his space. I like Gillis coming off the bench with Colvin and Heide. Can help establish the intensity with the young guys.
If Furst can shoot with confidence this year, I agree that he seems to have the potential to be the most effective. I tend to go with Gillis because I am more confident in his shot, but I think that Furst has the ability if he believes in himself.
I keep waiting on that. We see glimpses. It hopefully comes soon as he rebounds better than G against talent
Speculation time. What does your gut and your eyes tell you about which 4 will have the best/biggest impact in Maui?
Gonzaga has some depth down low that has played decent but is unproven against high level competition.
Gonzaga has some depth down low that has played decent but is unproven against high level competition.
Edey, Smith, Loyer & Jones It's a guards game....but Edey always gets his.
Ok now answer the question. At some point 1 or 2 of the 4’s will declare themselves as the most productive player. There’s definitely need for increased production from the group. I for one would like to see Furst contribute like he did in the PK classic last year. Need to find a way to utilize the talent these guys undoubtedly possess but hasn’t been unlocked on a consistent basis!
Furst better rebounder. Not sure if stats say that, but against talent that seems to be his value.
Yes CMP needs to get the 4 figured out. As talented as they are, they seem to be adverse to production. Hopefully by end of year one of them sticks, good experience coming up.
That sounds reasonable. But do we really need increased production from the 4 spot? Last year we didn't get much out of the 2 or 3 spot, and yet were a top 5 team most of the year. Now both those positions are producing stats, Braden Smith is shooting (very well) more AND we have the returning ball dominant NPOY.
I put it out there that we don't need increased production from the 4 spot as long as everyone else does their job.
Setting picks, defining team toughness, etc etc are PLENTY of "worth" at this position.
Balanced scoring is nice in theory, but not significant in the real world.
Big part of why Mason or Caleb will be starting again soon.
Ok let me re phrase the question for those that don’t think we need “ scoring “ from the 4 spot. Increased production as in better consistent all around play from the 4 which actually hasn’t really come from any of the 3 so far. Who will step up and set themselves apart from the others. All 3 are talented but no one has set themselves apart thus far and I believe that scoring should be expected from all positions on this team. Nope not going to lead the team in that category but don’t need to become a non scorer like we had from Morton (who thus far this year had done ok) last year allowing defenders to play off of them and sag in on Edey.
Caleb is certainly a physical talent. I hope the staff finds a way to utilize him offensively, particularly when Zach is not on the floor went out there with Zach he just has to rebound, get after loose balls, set good screens, etc..
I don’t think that Purdue needs a high volume scorer from the 4, but I do like to see an efficient scorer/outside threat. Grady Eifert in his last year provided that team exactly what it needed from the 4. I have always hoped that Gillis could get to close to that level of efficiency.
Except none of these players are Morton. All can and will do enough.
You should try watching the OTHER half of the game.
Mason Gillis is a star defensive player.
Reality is there aren't enough balls for 5 scorers, nice as that sounds "on paper".
Gillis and Furst are the 4's THIS team needs and they do all the things needed to be a top team.
Scoring obsession is just that
Gillis is significantly more of a threat than Grady ever was. His efficiency was due in large part to not taking very many shots. I don't believe he ever scored 19 pts, much less 29.
“You should try watching the OTHER half of the game “ WTF who pissed in your cheerios this morning? I didn’t say the 4 needed to be a high volume scorer! What I said was that I would expect the 4 to be able to score and not present a Morton (2022) type situation. The threat of scoring opens things up even more. I’m sure Painter would prefer all of the players to be able to score when the opportunity presents itself along with playing good defense and attacking the boards. I haven’t really seen any of the 3 of them establish themselves as a true best option for playing time and as the year goes on we likely will. Looking for some separation to help with distribution of minutes.
I want to agree, but Grady was the most efficient player in the country as a redshirt senior. He hit 44% from 3, taking whatever the defense gave him and forcing nothing.
I agree that Mason is more talented than Grady was and when he was hot he was awesome, but l have seen opponents leave him open and dare him to shoot. I don’t recall teams getting away with that with Grady, particularly in his senior year.
Grady didn't put up eye-popping numbers, but he had a knack for making the right play at the right time. One of those strange, unmeasurable intangibles that winners often have.
Furst appears to be more athletic and longer than the other two leading to more altered/blocked shots. He seems to get the ball to Edey easier than the other two.
As much as I don’t think TKR compliments Zach’s game very well, I felt like TKR’s stretch when he was in with Furst when Zach was out of the game was the key stretch of the game.
Yep, TKR is Edey's back up at the 5. He is not a 4 and his PT will be limited this year because of that.
In case you were wondering how bad the TKR/Edey combo was compared to literally any other combo we tried.
Not surprised by this. It does seem that the Edey/TKR combo struggles defensively. I love TKR as a backup 5 paired with Furst. Next year might be his year to see his minutes expand.
That stretch in the second half where TKR scored six points in a couple of minutes shows what he's capable of without Edey in the game.
I now understand why all the players were saying TKR was the most improved player on the team. Remember Edey wasn't with the team much of the summer.
The problem is that he needs to be in the post to show his talent. Sounds like an odd prediction but I believe he'll end up playing limited minutes this year but could be all B1G next year.
I now understand why all the players were saying TKR was the most improved player on the team. Remember Edey wasn't with the team much of the summer.
The problem is that he needs to be in the post to show his talent. Sounds like an odd prediction but I believe he'll end up playing limited minutes this year but could be all B1G next year.
Likely, sure could happen. Hope it's for Purdue! The guy is a big time scorer....@ the 5.
also the best rebounder of the bunch. he had one last night that was crazy good.
I’m blown away by all the people sleeping on Gillis here. I think Gillis is the best shooter and rebounder of the 3. TKR needs to back up Zach at the 5. Gonzaga was leaving him wide open last night and he couldn’t make them pay, so you have to have a shooter in there. I like Furst but his shot isn’t as reliable as Mason’s can be and his rebounding is a better asset when Edey isn’t on the floor gobbling most of them up. I think Furst and his ability to cut to the basket works great with Edey though. I just don’t see the offensive firepower from TKR that the coaches saw during the summer enough to play him and Edey together.
Looks like data and the eye ball test is lining up. All great players, but combos matter. Thanks for the info!
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