For those who wonder why I call them Faux News

[BNIBoiler]

You have no proof of this position. In fact, the video evidence would say otherwise. I'd say the violence was mostly early and before most people arrived. It took violence to get through the initial barricades that were blocking the steps to the Capitol. What do you think happened? They violently entered the steps and then decided to become peaceful inside the Capitol, and then deciding to become violent again later on? You cannot be this dumb.

Yes, the deplorables shown walking around and taking selfies arrived early and peacefully. That is why the Capitol police felt comfortable with them inside. This is common sense. When the rest of the deplorables showed up and and the violence commenced, there ain't no more selfies being taken you can be sure of that. The cop that they chased up the stairs wasn't in a selfie mood. Thats for sure.

 

[Boilermaker03]

Glad you asked -- it's a step forward for you to seek credible information when you don't understand how a process works.

The government is required to provide all Brady material, which is defined as:

​

Evidence known to the prosecution that is favorable to a defendant's case and material to the issue of guilt or to punishment and that the prosecution is obligated to disclose to the defense : exculpatory evidence known to the prosecution that must be disclosed.​

​

That doesn't mean that the government is required to know about or locate all evidence favorable to the defendant's case that could possibly exist. However, if they have it they must provide it. So, if the prosecution team didn't have the entirety of the video of QAnon guy, then there is no production requirement.

Also noteworthy; there is a deadline for provision of discovery materials and QAnon guy took a plea. If the discovery provision deadline hadn't passed yet and the guy took a plea with the assistance of competent counsel, then the plea will stand.

However, if the government had evidence favorable to defendant's case and did not provide it, the lawyer can file a motion to have the plea and the conviction appealed. So there's your tell! The lawyer can spout off about how unfair life is on some cable talk show with impunity. The rubber hits the road if the lawyer appeals the plea and conviction. And to do so that lawyer will have to cite how the appropriate discovery process was violated. That happens all the time -- if you've got the goods it's a winner and there's unlimited resources to make it happen. And not just from right-wing sources; the ACLU will go to bat for him in a heartbeat if there's merit to it. but if it's bullshit a lawyer won't go into a courtroom with it.

My question is this: Will you actually read and attempt to understand what I just posted in an adult manner? Because if not, you will not get a measured, knowledgeable response on this topic again.

So in other words you're cool with the government spinning a narrative that gets an innocent person put behind bars. Sweet. You'd fit right in with the Nazi's.

 

[Boilermaker03]

Yes, the deplorables shown walking around and taking selfies arrived early and peacefully. That is why the Capitol police felt comfortable with them inside. This is common sense. When the rest of the deplorables showed up and and the violence commenced, there ain't no more selfies being taken you can be sure of that. The cop that they chased up the stairs wasn't in a selfie mood. Thats for sure.

So the day went, violence, peace violence. Got it. Your a good sheeple.

 

[Boilermaker03]

He pled guilty. He admitted guilt. He stood at the podium in Congress after breaking in and advocated for the overthrow of the US government.

You picked a hell of a criminal scumbag for a role model.

You do understand that the majority of the time that someone takes a plea deal, it's because they threaten with a TON of other charges that in most cases won't stick, but it scares people into taking a plea. In other words, they get railroaded.

 

[HoosierfanJM]

You do understand that the majority of the time that someone takes a plea deal, it's because they threaten with a TON of other charges that in most cases won't stick, but it scares people into taking a plea. In other words, they get railroaded.

So you’re alleging incompetent legal counsel?

Because he would have gotten a jury trial if he and his lawyer wanted one. Ya know—America.

 

[BNIBoiler]

Bullshit. The shit went crazy outside. Some inside, but very little. The "Q-Anon" Shaman got 4 years in prison. 4 YEARS! For what? What did he do other than the left making him the face of the whole thing? Justify why he deserved the most harsh sentencing out of everyone so far based on the information that is out there. I guarantee you that you won't be able to. This example alone should be enough to prove that the J6 committee was horseshit and making shit up. The officers being killed narrative is another. Open your fuklking eyes man!

Shaman. That fool should have gotten 10 years for that ridiculous costume alone. There was a lot of violence inside the Capitol. When there is a lot of property damage inside. Glass and doors busted. Human feces on the floors and wall, there is violence. Some Chumptown cult member chick got killed by the police in the process of breaking and entering doors when told to stop. Property was stolen. Your passionate defense of these Chumptown fools is telling. You are indeed one of them.

 

[Riveting-]

Shaman. That fool should have gotten 10 years for that ridiculous costume alone. There was a lot of violence inside the Capitol. When there is a lot of property damage inside. Glass and doors busted. Human feces on the floors and wall, there is violence. Some Chumptown cult member chick got killed by the police in the process of breaking and entering doors when told to stop. Property was stolen. Your passionate defense of these Chumptown fools is telling. You are indeed one of them.

Speaking of fools, you still haven't responded to my reply to your absurd post about Fox v. ABC, NBC, CBS and the rest of the regime media. Come on, fauxgrad, don't hide. Back up your foolish words.

 

[Casey and his Brother]

'Bulls---': GOP senators rebuke Tucker Carlson for downplaying Jan. 6 as 'mostly peaceful'

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell called the Fox News host's portrayal a "mistake," while Sen. Kevin Cramer said it was “just a lie” to compare Jan. 6 to a peaceful protest.

www.nbcnews.com

Because you're a mindless puppet?

 

[BoilerBiker]

You do understand that the majority of the time that someone takes a plea deal, it's because they threaten with a TON of other charges that in most cases won't stick, but it scares people into taking a plea. In other words, they get railroaded.

lawfare

98% of federal cases end in plea deals in a given year. Some States have rates over 97%.

in 2018 as example,
of the 2% who got a federal trial,
17% of them were acquitted by jury or judge

 

[HoosierfanJM]

lawfare

98% of federal cases end in plea deals in a given year. Some States have rates over 97%.

in 2018 as example,
of the 2% who got a federal trial,
17% of them were acquitted by jury or judge

Well stated. So, when you take the 2% ‘most winnable for the defense’ criminal cases, the conviction rate for those is 83%.

The overwhelming majority of federal cases are iron clad winners. A lot of fish in a barrel financial crimes. If someone got a $1 million PPP grant and the business didn’t really exist, that’s a plea because the chances of conviction are almost absolute.

Also, a ton of pleas come after the defense has tried but failed on pre-trial motions.

 

[Riveting-]

Well stated. So, when you take the 2% ‘most winnable for the defense’ criminal cases, the conviction rate for those is 83%.

What do you think that indicates, if anything, H2?

 

[HoosierfanJM]

What do you think that indicates, if anything, H2?

My opinion is that those are the most triable, and consist of cases where the defense has made progress during pre-trial motions. That also incorporates defendywith the means to have an extended, aggressive defense team.

 

[Riveting-]

What percent of the plea deals are because the gov has unlimited resources and most individuals do not, in your opinion? For example, Gen. Flynn.

 

[HoosierfanJM]

What percent of the plea deals are because the gov has unlimited resources and most individuals do not, in your opinion? For example, Gen. Flynn.

A fair percentage, but you cited a terrible, comically ironic example.

The ones that take pleas because of lack of resources are usually defendants with federal public defenders, low socio-economic defendants caught up in large drug/gang conspiracies, and cooperators who have been working with the government against co-conspirators during the investigation phase (a big portion of pleas).

Michael Flynn had and has unlimited financial resources. Net worth estimated at $8 million, fat pension; hell, he made almost a half a million for 90 days 'consulting' for Turkey and Russia in 2015. Additionally, law firms rush to represent defendants like him at a major discount in an effort to raise their profile.

He's the kind of guy that can pay high-priced lawyers to fight Jan 6 subpoenas because doing so will help him fundraise for his own pockets. For instance, he's a featured speaker on the "ReAwaken America" tour. Thousands of batshit, nutjob attendees at each rally, with a $250 cost per ticket. Average gate of over $500,000 with the express purpose of draining Trump conspiracy lovers of their savings one ticket at a time in a blatant cash grab.

 

[Boilermaker03]

So you’re alleging incompetent legal counsel?

Because he would have gotten a jury trial if he and his lawyer wanted one. Ya know—America.

Yes I know he would have gotten a jury trial if he wanted, but he was facing the US government and probably trumped up charges adding up to 20 years in prison. Are you willing to take that risk when you aren't given the evidence to exonerate you? Most people aren't.

 

[Boilermaker03]

Shaman. That fool should have gotten 10 years for that ridiculous costume alone. There was a lot of violence inside the Capitol. When there is a lot of property damage inside. Glass and doors busted. Human feces on the floors and wall, there is violence. Some Chumptown cult member chick got killed by the police in the process of breaking and entering doors when told to stop. Property was stolen. Your passionate defense of these Chumptown fools is telling. You are indeed one of them.

Yes, I don't disagree there was violence inside... EARLY. You can even see people picking the stuff up and putting it back in the video released by Tucker.

 

[HoosierfanJM]

Yes I know he would have gotten a jury trial if he wanted, but he was facing the US government and probably trumped up charges adding up to 20 years in prison. Are you willing to take that risk when you aren't given the evidence to exonerate you? Most people aren't.

If there was a charge for "Batshit crazy and desperately trying to profit off of it," Michael Flynn would be the first one to be charged.

Here is a picture of him while stating "Where we go one, we go all" the slogan for QAnon:

Why? Probably because he thinks there's money to made in doing so, or possibly because he thinks "Q is real," Donald Trump is still President, and Hillary Clinton is making child sacrifices in the basement of a Washington DC pizza parlor.

I'm going with "he thinks there's money to be made."

 

[Riveting-]

A fair percentage, but you cited a terrible, comically ironic example.

The ones that take pleas because of lack of resources are usually defendants with federal public defenders, low socio-economic defendants caught up in large drug/gang conspiracies, and cooperators who have been working with the government against co-conspirators during the investigation phase (a big portion of pleas).

Michael Flynn had and has unlimited financial resources. Net worth estimated at $8 million, fat pension; hell, he made almost a half a million for 90 days 'consulting' for Turkey and Russia in 2015. Additionally, law firms rush to represent defendants like him at a major discount in an effort to raise their profile.

He's the kind of guy that can pay high-priced lawyers to fight Jan 6 subpoenas because doing so will help him fundraise for his own pockets. For instance, he's a featured speaker on the "ReAwaken America" tour. Thousands of batshit, nutjob attendees at each rally, with a $250 cost per ticket. Average gate of over $500,000 with the express purpose of draining Trump conspiracy lovers of their savings one ticket at a time in a blatant cash grab.

Yes, I had forgotten the particulars of the Flynn case. The FBI entrapped him and then threatened to prosecute his son, per Gregg Jarrett in the link.

Another proud moment for the police state, but probably disappointing to you that they didn't send a 30-man SWAT team to bring him in.

Gregg Jarrett: FBI coerced Flynn to cop a plea, covered it up in a perjury trap | Fox News Video

Gregg Jarrett weighs in on new unsealed court documents that show FBI officials and Mueller prosecutors hid exculpatory evidence

www.foxnews.com

 

[HoosierfanJM]

Yes, I don't disagree there was violence inside... EARLY. You can even see people picking the stuff up and putting it back in the video released by Tucker.

Admittedly, I have not watched the Tucker Carlson J6 video show episode.

So, some very straightforward questions for you:

1. If you "don't disagree there was violence" does that mean that you agree that there was violence?
2. Is your point that because there are moments of non-violence you think it was less than a violent insurrection attempt? If that's not your point, cool! That's progress.
3. Can you see the people defecating in the halls of Congress in Tucker's video?
4. Can you hear the people chanting that if they find them, they will hang the Vice President and Speaker of the House in Tucker's video?

 

[HoosierfanJM]

Yes, I had forgotten the particulars of the Flynn case. The FBI entrapped him and then threatened to prosecute his son, per Gregg Jarrett in the link.

Another proud moment for the police state, but probably disappointing to you that they didn't send a 30-man SWAT team to bring him in.

Gregg Jarrett: FBI coerced Flynn to cop a plea, covered it up in a perjury trap | Fox News Video

Gregg Jarrett weighs in on new unsealed court documents that show FBI officials and Mueller prosecutors hid exculpatory evidence

www.foxnews.com

What is a "Gregg Jarrett" and why the hell should I care what he says in his opinion piece?

You asked "What percent of the plea deals are because the gov has unlimited resources and most individuals do not" and I answered. I'm gonna assume you have now linked some opinion piece from a guy that looooves Mike Flynn as a reason that Flynn should not have done what he did -- plead guilty on his own volition.

You are surely, SURELY the kind of guy that should attend the Mike Flynn, Roger Stone ReAwakening tour. Only $250 a ticket, and by anteing up you can help pay for their legal defense fund against the "police state."

After all, a man as knowledgeable as you must be extremely successful and wealthy, and therefore have plenty of cash to donate to the Flynn/Stone legal fund. With Flynn's net worth of a paltry $8 million and Stone's net worth of (checks internet) "somewhere between $7 and $20 million" they cannot possibly afford a legal defense against the "police state."

Give now (you sucker).

 

[HoosierfanJM]

@Riveting- : Are you a pastor? Because pastors get 50% off for the big showwwww! lol

And you get to help the indigent such as Mike Flynn, Roger Stone, Pillow Guy, and even Eric Trumpy!

 

[HoosierfanJM]

@Riveting- I know you are a charitable, anti-police state, pro-justice man of extraordinary means. So I have provided a picture of the indigent victims of the police state.

For the low, low, price of $250 you can see them in person (if you are a pastor it's 50% off).

This way you can insure that their legal fund is full. Even after they plead guilty with some of the best lawyers money can buy. Because you never know when the police state will come after these patriots and victims again!

So give now and give LOTS. Please, give these guys all of your money. They desperately need it to save the @Riveting- vision for America.

 

[Riveting-]

What is a "Gregg Jarrett" and why the hell should I care what he says in his opinion piece?

You asked "What percent of the plea deals are because the gov has unlimited resources and most individuals do not" and I answered. I'm gonna assume you have now linked some opinion piece from a guy that looooves Mike Flynn as a reason that Flynn should not have done what he did -- plead guilty on his own volition.

You are surely, SURELY the kind of guy that should attend the Mike Flynn, Roger Stone ReAwakening tour. Only $250 a ticket, and by anteing up you can help pay for their legal defense fund against the "police state."

After all, a man as knowledgeable as you must be extremely successful and wealthy, and therefore have plenty of cash to donate to the Flynn/Stone legal fund. With Flynn's net worth of a paltry $8 million and Stone's net worth of (checks internet) "somewhere between $7 and $20 million" they cannot possibly afford a legal defense against the "police state."

Give now (you sucker).

I didn't say you should care nor do I expect you to. Your mind is closed. You are like @BNIBoiler but with just enough sense not to start a thread like he did this one where he immediately demonstrated that once more he doesn't know what he is talking about, and has now gone into hiding when challenged to back up his absurd statements.

If your mind were not closed, you would listen to Jarrett before you would listen to Comey and other FBI leaders who have disgraced themselves.

And if you mind were not closed, you would listen to a best-selling NYT author who obviously knows more about the law than you do. But no, stick with the legal expert on cnn who was jerking off during a video call. He is your kind of legal expert, no doubt in more ways than one.

 

[HoosierfanJM]

Here is a picture of your police state victim and your hero Michael Flynn at the Omni Hotel in Dallas, auctioning off a "Q" flag.

The event was sold out, no doubt to help pay for the legal defense of police state victim Michael Flynn.

Secret bonus reveal. Standing behind "not conning you out of your money" police state victim Flynn is "also not conning for money" police state victim Sydney Powell!

Two police state victim patriots on stage together--neato!!

 

[HoosierfanJM]

I didn't say you should care nor do I expect you to. Your mind is closed. You are like @BNIBoiler but with just enough sense not to start a thread like he did this one where he immediately demonstrated that once more he doesn't know what he is talking about, and has now gone into hiding when challenged to back up his absurd statements.

If your mind were not closed, you would listen to Jarrett before you would listen to Comey and other FBI leaders who have disgraced themselves.

And if you mind were not closed, you would listen to a best-selling NYT author who obviously knows more about the law than you do. But no, stick with the legal expert on cnn who was jerking off during a video call. He is your kind of legal expert, no doubt in more ways than one.

Does you Gregg Jarrett anti-police state patriot want you to give money to the Mike Flynn "I'm a victim of the police state give me money" patriot tour?

hahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa!!

You really need to give these people your money Soon! They cannot wait.

 

[Riveting-]

Does you Gregg Jarrett anti-police state patriot want you to give money to the Mike Flynn "I'm a victim of the police state give me money" patriot tour?

hahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa!!

You really need to give these people your money Soon! They cannot wait.

You just keep toobin along, don't you? You just can't help yourself.

 

[HoosierfanJM]

And PatriotMikeyFlynn, while hosting the Dallas "Not QAnon Conference ... Really!" with Sidney Powell, dressed up police state victim Powell in this biker's jacket which clearly was not a nod to QAnon (I think she may have been sponsored by Quiznos Subs).

Once again @Riveting- you (and Gregggg Jarretttt) should give lots of you money to these police state indigent victims!

This Dallas conference was a bargain at $500 per ticket, but there will be other opportunities and you can give more!

I am sure that Greg Jaret is very wealthy, has not fleeced anyone out of their money, and is giving tons of cash to police state victim Michael Flynn! You should be like Gregggg and do the same!!

 

[HoosierfanJM]

You just keep toobin along, don't you? You just can't help yourself.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA

No seriously. Have you given your money to p[olice state victim Mike Flynn yet?

You should.

 

[Riveting-]

Here is a picture of your police state victim and your hero Michael Flynn at the Omni Hotel in Dallas, auctioning off a "Q" flag.

The event was sold out, no doubt to help pay for the legal defense of police state victim Michael Flynn.

Secret bonus reveal. Standing behind "not conning you out of your money" police state victim Flynn is "also not conning for money" police state victim Sydney Powell!

Two police state victim patriots on stage together--neato!!

I see your point now. You think because he took part in these activities (assuming he did), he had it coming to be entrapped by the police state.

Don't you think he deserved a Swat team like those dangerous Christain ministers?

 

[HoosierfanJM]

Or, you could buy indigent police state victim Michael Flynn's latest book!

Cool bonus part of his latest book, The Citizen's Guide to Fifth Generation Warfare?

1. It's slogan from the back cover is "CG5GW," which is definitely not an allusion to the QAnon slogan "WWG1WGA."
2. It says it's part one of a series, which means you will have many opportunities to buy new editions!

 

[HoosierfanJM]

I see your point now. You think because he took part in these activities (assuming he did), he had it coming to be entrapped by the police state.

Don't you think he deserved a Swat team like those dangerous Christain ministers?

No you silly duck -- you've completely missed the point.

It's that YOU think he's been entrapped by the police state, and you can help defend his po lil' 'needs @Riveting- 's money' heart.

hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

But I digress -- You really should buy his new book. Better yet, buy lots of digital copies and email them as gifts to friends and relatives. That way, the books don't cost Mike Flynn anything and he can maximize his profit, errr, I mean, ability to defend his patriot self against the police state.

And while your at it, buy some digital book by your Greg dude! No doubt he will soon be entrapped by the police state and need your help.

 

[HoosierfanJM]

I see your point now. You think because he took part in these activities (assuming he did), he had it coming to be entrapped by the police state.

Don't you think he deserved a Swat team like those dangerous Christain ministers?

GREAT NEWS @Riveting- !

Gregg dude has books for you to buy!! They are undoubtedly extremely valuable and hard to find, but I, in my part as a patriot that can help you defend against the police state, have found a new copy for the low Amazon Prime price of $5.87 with free delivery!

You should offer to pay more--this dude is clearly not profiteering nor fleecing you. He is saving for his certain police state entrapment.

(hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa)

 

[Riveting-]

Something else for you not to read, by one of the world's truly great journalists. Better that you stick with toobin and other regime hacks.

Just posting it here for the benefit of those who do not have closed minds like you do.

New Flynn Prosecution Documents Reveal Corruption in Russiagate Investigations

Our newest episode of SYSTEM UPDATE provides a comprehensive look at these grave abuses of power.

theintercept.com

 

[HoosierfanJM]

Something else for you not to read, by one of the world's truly great journalists. Better that you stick with toobin and other regime hacks.

Just posting it here for the benefit of those who do not have closed minds like you do.

New Flynn Prosecution Documents Reveal Corruption in Russiagate Investigations

Our newest episode of SYSTEM UPDATE provides a comprehensive look at these grave abuses of power.

theintercept.com

Does this guy know Greggggg? he must be on the police state entrapment list too! Give him your money @Riveting- hurry!!! hahahahahhahahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Flynn took the no jail sentence lying plea to prevent the Turkish/Russian money charges and his son's charges from being filed. That is how pre-trail pleas work.

 

[Riveting-]

Does this guy know Greggggg? he must be on the police state entrapment list too! Give him your money @Riveting- hurry!!! hahahahahhahahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Flynn took the no jail sentence lying plea to prevent the Turkish/Russian money charges and his son's charges from being filed. That is how pre-trail pleas work.

Do you know toobin? Wouldn't be surprised if you do.

 

[HoosierfanJM]

Do you know toobin? Wouldn't be surprised if you do.

What is a "toobin?" Does he need anti-police state money too?!?

You should give him yours; if he has a book buy it, if he has a conference attend it!
lololol

 

[HoosierfanJM]

Do you know toobin? Wouldn't be surprised if you do.

Oh I just googled "tooooobin." He is a left wing nut job cable news talking head as far as I'm concerned, but he is telling you that he is an anti-police state patriot!!

He clearly is also interested in your money; no more or less than Greg. For you? They are both anti-police state entrapment fighters and need @Riveting- 's dinero!!

You should buy their books and book yourself into a Roger Stone Mikael Flynn VIP All-Access conference pass.
DO NOT WAIT! Time is of the essence for these patriots. They need you @Riveting-

To get a special discount book rate or VIP conference fee, I suggest entering the promo code: WWG1WGAWR (where we go one we go all with Riveting)

 

[Boilermaker03]

If there was a charge for "Batshit crazy and desperately trying to profit off of it," Michael Flynn would be the first one to be charged.

Here is a picture of him while stating "Where we go one, we go all" the slogan for QAnon:

Why? Probably because he thinks there's money to made in doing so, or possibly because he thinks "Q is real," Donald Trump is still President, and Hillary Clinton is making child sacrifices in the basement of a Washington DC pizza parlor.

I'm going with "he thinks there's money to be made."

Why are you quoting me this??

 

[Boilermaker03]

Admittedly, I have not watched the Tucker Carlson J6 video show episode.

So, some very straightforward questions for you:

1. If you "don't disagree there was violence" does that mean that you agree that there was violence?

Of course there was violence. I never claimed there wasn't.

1. Is your point that because there are moments of non-violence you think it was less than a violent insurrection attempt? If that's not your point, cool! That's progress.

If this was an attempt of an insurrection, then it was the most weak ass attempt in history. Not one weapon, Capitol police opened doors and ushered people in. People left after a matter of hours by their own volition. I don't know how you can call that an insurrection. Was there violence? Yes of course, but violence at the Capitol doesn't automatically = insurrection. Stupid people doing stupid things. Yep. However, there wasn't much of a plan to do much of anything once people were inside the building.

1. Can you see the people defecating in the halls of Congress in Tucker's video?

Yes, because we all know that Tucker's show is fully capable of showing all 40,000 hours of video in his 1 hour show. Good call.

1. Can you hear the people chanting that if they find them, they will hang the Vice President and Speaker of the House in Tucker's video?

Why would he show something that there is already video evidence of? The point was to show the things that the J6 committee was hiding, which apparently was quite a bit.

 

[BoilerBiker]

You do understand that the majority of the time that someone takes a plea deal, it's because they threaten with a TON of other charges that in most cases won't stick, but it scares people into taking a plea. In other words, they get railroaded.

Lawfare. Intimidation.

Nearly 1 in 5 known exonerees
had pleaded guilty to crimes they did not commit.