For those that praise Chump’s tariffs
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Dumb ass checked public opinion polls, saw the markets tanking (but not too much because the markets built in that Trump is full of shit) and backed off within one day! He'll get a press statement from Mexico saying "we'll try really hard on that border" just like I said and nothing will change, except for more confirmation that every other nation in the world sees the latest example that Trump is a pussy, a reactionary, a narcissist, and doesn't understand what he's doing.
Mexico is stationing 10,000 troops at the border, you pretentious fool. This open borders nonsense will stop and that is exactly what Trump said.
Mexico agrees to deploy 10,000 troops to US border in exchange for tariff pause
Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum has agreed to deploy 10,000 national guard troops to block drug trafficking at the U.S.-Mexico border.
Now Chump is admitting finally that Americans will feel some pain due to the tariffs.
apnews.com
Trump says Americans could feel 'some pain' from tariffs as he threatens more import taxes
President Donald Trump says Americans could feel “some pain” from the emerging trade war triggered by his tariffs against Canada, Mexico and China.
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Calling me names won't change this. Mexico already has tons of troops along the border. So they still will just like they did? Nice; and there's your easily predicted psuedo-concession just like I told you would happen yesterday morning.Mexico is stationing 10,000 troops at the border, you pretentious fool. This open borders nonsense will stop and that is exactly what Trump said.
Mexico agrees to deploy 10,000 troops to US border in exchange for tariff pause
Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum has agreed to deploy 10,000 national guard troops to block drug trafficking at the U.S.-Mexico border.www.foxnews.com
By the way, the vast majority of illegal immigration is because of tourist/family visitation visa overstays. Because it's cheaper, less dangerous, and way easier to fly into Miami or Chicago on Delta Airlines than to tunnel through the Rio Grande. It's just over 3,500 miles from Honduras to the US border. Even Mexico City is a 16 hour drive. Does it make any sense that any high percentage of people from all of these far away spots are walking, swimming, tunneling into the US?
So, whatcha boy doing about that? I'm all for immediately deporting any illegal that gets convicted of any crime, but this is all theater and you're falling for it.
Mexico does not currently have troops at the border. Either prove it with a link or stop lying.
And here is your name-calling within this thread: "Dumb ass, full of shit, pussy, reactionary and narcissist,"
LOL not name calling of Donald Trump (or any politician that you happen to disagree with)? Go ahead; call Hunter Biden a crack-head scumbag or Joe Biden a senile idiot! I'll be right there with you.
I'm talking about name calling other posters instead of supporting with facts.
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You mean like when you said this to me in the "Canada" thread?
"Good gawd you are gullible."
I believe Kat's also fond of calling us Trump supporters "MAGATs"......
I wonder if he's ever heard about not throwing stones if you live in a glass house?
So they find one person that doesn't understand tariffs and they are supposed to be representative of all of MAGA? Hilarious.
Too many things to write on this with any depth, but the view of tariffs with a "long" view differs from a "short" view as many opposing focus. Tariffs are only effective if you have the leverage and we are seeing that in play. Could certain things go up in cost...sure, but that doesn't capture the totality of a tariff in play...especially with a long view. Should things go up and should inflation result, there are other ways to compensate for those two items with money freed up by cutting waste and tax tables should more people having their money taken for taxes due to increased wages etc. How all these things work out is much more important that knee jerk response based on fear told by msnbc and it's ilk. Have they not seen the rise in prices everywhere as a result of Biden's administration when worrying about some commodity in trade to the USA costing more?
Economists are saying it. The WSJ is saying it. You can't blame this on the liberal media. But you'll continue to try.
Yes, and the WSJ and the "economists" were wrong. It appears that you are brain dead to what has transpired over the past 48 hours. Trump's tariff threats against Mexico and Canada tanked the DJIA by almost 700 points. But then the Mexican president and Canadian prime minister caved and went groveling to Trump to postpone the tariffs until they could get effective immigration controls on illegal immigration and drug trafficking. The Dow regained 75% of its losses in the afternoon and today, at 11:00 am, the DJIA is HIGHER than it was when it began the plummet yesterday.
Bottom line: The WSJ and the "economists" were wrong and Trump pulled off a major diplomatic victory yesterday. And as Trump promised, this Biden open border lunacy is going to stop.
We aren't even talking about the same thing. I'm talking about tariffs that are actually implemented. Not the threats of them. Not the victory lap for getting things from our good neighbors that was already promised. You're in such a rush to praise trump you aren't paying attention.
Do you believe tariffs are good for the economy? Do you believe, like trump, that the cost of tariffs aren't passed on to the consumer?
This isn't the politics of tariffs. It's the effect of implementing them.
Bob, what is this that I'm saying that the economist and WSJ disagree? My comments covered short term long term and things that can be done by the government to compensate or subsidize if you will? Here is a short list of the immediate situation with the big three that we hear about?
The governments of Mexico and Canada agreed to conditions set forth by President Donald Trump on Feb. 3, just hours before 25 percent tariffs were set to take effect on products imported from the two countries.
Executive orders signed Feb. 1 by the president are meant to force the nations’ leaders to strengthen their border policies and stop the flow of fentanyl into the U.S.
Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum announced that she had spoken with Trump and negotiated a one-month pause on the tariffs, which were set for implementation on Feb. 4.
Mexico is sending 10,000 National Guard troops to its northern border to counter narcotics trafficking activities.
The White House reports approximately 500,000 pounds of fentanyl was seized at the border in each of the past three years.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans have died as a result of fentanyl poisoning since 2020.
Thousands of illegal immigrants have been pouring through the border daily in recent years, and Trump has ordered a halt to what he describes as an “invasion.”
He confirmed a deal with Mexico, saying, “They’re very strong now on the border. They want to protect it also. They don’t want people coming through Mexico to come into our country.”
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau later announced a similar deal after speaking with Trump.
In exchange for a 30-day temporary pause on the tariffs, Canada will spend $1.3 billion to combat fentanyl trafficking by purchasing new technology and helicopters and hiring more personnel to keep an eye on the border “24/7.”
Cooperation with U.S. law enforcement will strengthen operational capacity, and 10,000 Canadian personnel will be sent to the border.
Canada is also investing $200 million and appointing a fentanyl czar to investigate cartels, which both the U.S. and Canadian governments have now designated as terrorist organizations.
Trump remarked that Canada should become part of the U.S., saying he’d like to see it “become our 51st state.”
The president talked with Trudeau about what he sees as problematic trade policies, like those that keep American banks from doing business in Canada.
He said, “We’re not treated well by Canada, and we have to be treated well.” Highlighting a trade imbalance that he’d like to recalibrate, the president said, “We can’t let them take advantage of the U.S. “We don’t need them for anything.”
China
10 percent tariffs on China started today, in addition to hefty fees already placed on goods from the country during Trump’s first term in office.
China hit back overnight with a raft of retaliatory measures.
It said it would implement a 15 percent tariff on coal and liquefied natural gas products as well as a 10 percent tariff on crude oil, agricultural machinery, and large-engine cars imported from the U.S. Those tariffs will take effect next Monday.
China also announced export controls on several elements critical to the production of modern high-tech products.
The Chinese regulator said it was investigating Google on suspicion of violating antitrust laws. The announcement did not mention the tariffs but came just minutes after Trump’s 10% tariffs on China were to take effect.
Calling the Chinese Communist Party responsible for allowing the flow of fentanyl precursor chemicals that ultimately result in the deaths of Americans, Trump has ordered tariffs to increase if China does not follow his orders.
He said the country “will be dealt with,” and a call with Chinese President Xi Jinping is expected in the coming days, according to White House officials.
The president suggested his policies are proving effective because “tariffs are very powerful, both economically and in getting everything else you want.”
—Travis Gillmore and The Associated Press
That question cannot be answered with a "yes" or "no." It depends on the circumstances and there are many considerations other than the economy, e.g. national security. I believe the tariffs that Trump threatened to impose on Mexico and Canada have been very good for the United States of America. And their effect on the ecomomy was virtually zero.
Japan's steel dumping? Tariffs were good for the US economy. China pirating our computer technology and then underselling US companies. Yes, tariffs are a good retaliation for the US.
You do realize that Trump was using the threat of tariffs as a negotiating tool, right? He doesn't have to implement to get what he wants.
Canada and Mexico caving in 12 hours are good examples of that.
It's only been 2 weeks and Trump's accomplished than Biden did in 4 years!
Trump wins.......again.
Ffs. You were talking about tariffs and the effect of them. Short term long term. Then you said "How all these things work out is much more important that knee jerk response based on fear told by msnbc and it's ilk."
I'm saying it's more than the liberal media who are talking about the negative effects of tariffs. That's my point.
Trump wants to go back to 1890 and institute tariffs. He thinks they are good. Economists think they're bad.
Why are you now posting about the politics of tariffs? Copy and paste. I read the news.
Trump is cleaning up the damage caused by your beloved democrats. Your side protested in LA about sending criminals back to where they came from. Your side pisses and moans about cleaning up the balance sheet of America. What the heck is wrong with you democrats? Your side is hoping that Trump fails and the country goes to hell.
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