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Ok. I mean I started this thread with data that may help us understand how trump won, but again, you are not interested in that at all. All you have is right wing talking points.
You act like Kamala had nothing to do with the inflation you are blaming her loss on.

Or that her massive failure at the one job she was given had nothing to do with her loss.


“Right wing talking points”… LOL that’s a dead giveaway …
 
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That’s a misquote. Helped buy it is what I said. He was the #1 trump donor and used a giant social media platform to influence the election. His posts were unavoidable. And that’s fine, he owns it, but don’t be stupid. He bought himself a seat at the table next to the POTUS.
George Soros says hello.

Please send me you address so I can send my liberal tears collection device.
 
You act like Kamala had nothing to do with the inflation you are blaming her loss on.

Or that her massive failure at the one job she was given had nothing to do with her loss.


“Right wing talking points”… LOL that’s a dead giveaway …
I don’t think Kamala Harris had anything at all to do with post Covid inflation, and I don’t think it’s a smart position to take that she did. But you’re just posting videos about trans stuff, aka right wing talking points. I guess maybe trans issues and the US border with Mexico seriously influenced every election in the developed world.
 
George Soros says hello.

Please send me you address so I can send my liberal tears collection device.
Oh my gosh, send my best to George!

You won’t find any tears here, little man. I’m the same guy as I was. Except my crypto wallet has swelled since Tuesday, so go trump for now.
 
Yeah I don’t like leftie tech nerds censoring news and deleting the accounts of newspapers when the DNC orders them to, but maybe I’m just weird that way.
But you love love love righty billionaires taking control and force feeding that righteous content that you want to every user. Smh
 
Oh my gosh, send my best to George!

You won’t find any tears here, little man. I’m the same guy as I was. Except my crypto wallet has swelled since Tuesday, so go trump for now.
Mine as well. I had a helluva week in the market.

Saying you’re the same guy you were, does that mean you’re still a white dude for Harris lefty lib cry baby?
 
But you love love love righty billionaires taking control and force feeding that righteous content that you want to every user. Smh
You do realize that all 3 of the MSM national networks are far left leaning? They don’t even pretend to be partisan.
Remind me who’s spoon feeding?
 
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I don’t think Kamala Harris had anything at all to do with post Covid inflation, and I don’t think it’s a smart position to take that she did. But you’re just posting videos about trans stuff, aka right wing talking points. I guess maybe trans issues and the US border with Mexico seriously influenced every election in the developed world.
Everyone in the country knew she had one job as VP, and the vast majority thought she failed at it.

Why would anyone want to give her a BIGGER job, especially when you add in that she’s a left wing “whacko” and wants to waste taxpayer money on prisoner sex change surgeries and let men play sports with your daughters ?

Did you stop to wonder why she lost all the battleground states but Dem senators won almost all of them?
 
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I don’t think Kamala Harris had anything at all to do with post Covid inflation, and I don’t think it’s a smart position to take that she did. But you’re just posting videos about trans stuff, aka right wing talking points. I guess maybe trans issues and the US border with Mexico seriously influenced every election in the developed world.
We do know that the border had heavy influence for the USA and some countries had concerns as well with an influx of Muslims. Whether the other countries had the same concern as the USA on illegals and a massive flux of different cultures, I don't know...particularly the countries not listed . If they don't, as you imply, then the USA can't fall into the same reason as those that didn't have the same issues, because one other source of variation doesn't exist with the other data. If all the countries were concerned about migration, then that too suggests something other than incumbents losing. So, either take suggests other causes in play potentially for the graph. So I'll throw in the border as an explanation for this year, in addition to the economy, which I believe separates the USA data from the other countries although a cursory review will show other countries had concerns previously as well. There also exists an interaction potential where the constitution may be incompatible with other cultures, that doesn't exist elsewhere? I think the obvious DEI was in play as well in the USA.

So, off the top of my head I believe other things than incumbents just losing because of Covid exists, although I do believe there is a certain segment of people that look towards the government, rather than themselves, that could vote out the incumbents just due to wanting a new person, that they believes heals their afflictions. So I don't just dismiss covid as not having some play.

People can show women making around 23% less money than men, and graph that too, but understanding the significance of other sources of variation also show why that takes place...which are typically choices women make. Then we know the fraud that took place in 2020 and had 15 million less votes for Biden not been registered, placing the total much closer to election totals before, Biden wouldn't have been elected and therefore resulting in an incumbent not running, and taking the USA out of the graph this year.
 
Help buy the election? Harris raised twice as much money and had blatant support of all networks except Fox. Plus, she had support from Iran in its efforts to kill Trump.

How did Musk come close to any of that?
Are you on twitter? The change since Musk took over was blatant and obvious.
 
We do know that the border had heavy influence for the USA and some countries had concerns as well with an influx of Muslims. Whether the other countries had the same concern as the USA on illegals and a massive flux of different cultures, I don't know...particularly the countries not listed . If they don't, as you imply, then the USA can't fall into the same reason as those that didn't have the same issues, because one other source of variation doesn't exist with the other data. If all the countries were concerned about migration, then that too suggests something other than incumbents losing. So, either take suggests other causes in play potentially for the graph. So I'll throw in the border as an explanation for this year, in addition to the economy, which I believe separates the USA data from the other countries although a cursory review will show other countries had concerns previously as well. There also exists an interaction potential where the constitution may be incompatible with other cultures, that doesn't exist elsewhere? I think the obvious DEI was in play as well in the USA.

So, off the top of my head I believe other things than incumbents just losing because of Covid exists, although I do believe there is a certain segment of people that look towards the government, rather than themselves, that could vote out the incumbents just due to wanting a new person, that they believes heals their afflictions. So I don't just dismiss covid as not having some play.

People can show women making around 23% less money than men, and graph that too, but understanding the significance of other sources of variation also show why that takes place...which are typically choices women make. Then we know the fraud that took place in 2020 and had 15 million less votes for Biden not been registered, placing the total much closer to election totals before, Biden wouldn't have been elected and therefore resulting in an incumbent not running, and taking the USA out of the graph this year.
Of FFS let it go. Biden won and trump lost. Trump won and Harris lost. When trump starts to float his idea of a third term again you'll be right here arguing he should get it because he was screwed over in 20.......and still have zero proof.
 
Of FFS let it go. Biden won and trump lost. Trump won and Harris lost. When trump starts to float his idea of a third term again you'll be right here arguing he should get it because he was screwed over in 20.......and still have zero proof.
Interested in putting any money on that?
 
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Are you on twitter? The change since Musk took over was blatant and obvious.
No, I am not.

Do you think Twitter influenced more people than the dnc-affiliate msm - especially abc, nbc, cbs, cnn, and msbnc -- and all their local stations across the country?
 
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No, I am not.

Do you Twitter influenced more people than the dnc-affiliate msm - especially abc, nbc, cbs, cnn, and msbnc -- and all their local stations across the country?

Well I think X had more possibilities to influence people as a site people know ican be closer to the truth. Sure there is BE on there, but nearly 75 Million people were smart enough to wade through it for the truth.

Conversely, the Dem media complex of ABC, NBC, CBS, MSN, CNN - the general watcher & independent voter both know they have been proven to be full of lies, and if they watch, nearly 75 Million were smart enough to know they were NOT to be trusted.
 
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I don’t think Kamala Harris had anything at all to do with post Covid inflation, and I don’t think it’s a smart position to take that she did. But you’re just posting videos about trans stuff, aka right wing talking points. I guess maybe trans issues and the US border with Mexico seriously influenced every election in the developed world.
Didn’t she make the tie breaking vote for ironically-named Inflation Reduction Act which poured money into the economy that didn’t need it.

And remember how after they passed it they all bragged how it was really a “climate” bill.
 
Of FFS let it go. Biden won and trump lost. Trump won and Harris lost. When trump starts to float his idea of a third term again you'll be right here arguing he should get it because he was screwed over in 20.......and still have zero proof.
I think you missed again the context of the post. relative to the incumbents losing out...had Trump won in 2020, there would be no 2024 incumbent to lose. Your anger must prevent you from understanding what and why something is typed relative to the subject. Hell of a lot of circumstantial evidence and people have been convicted on much less, but you are welcome to to believe what you want. I have no desire to convince you.
 
I think you missed again the context of the post. relative to the incumbents losing out...had Trump won in 2020, there would be no 2024 incumbent to lose. Your anger must prevent you from understanding what and why something is typed relative to the subject. Hell of a lot of circumstantial evidence and people have been convicted on much less, but you are welcome to to believe what you want. I have no desire to convince you.
There is no context when you say "Then we know the fraud that took place in 2020". That's a clear statement. If that's a basis of your argument then there's no need to go any further.

People have been have convicted on much less? Could you be more vague when trying to make argument?
Would you say the same about some dems who are currently arguing the difference between those who voted for trump but voted democrat in the down ballots means there was fraud this year? That Elon used Starlink to fix the election for Trump? They're as batsh/t crazy as you and yours were in '20. Congrats on starting a trend that will be with us for far too long. For all the bloviating from the right about weakness, this is what the world sees as such. The greatest democracy in history of the world being taken down because so called adults can't admit they lost.
 
There is no context when you say "Then we know the fraud that took place in 2020". That's a clear statement. If that's a basis of your argument then there's no need to go any further.

People have been have convicted on much less? Could you be more vague when trying to make argument?
Would you say the same about some dems who are currently arguing the difference between those who voted for trump but voted democrat in the down ballots means there was fraud this year? That Elon used Starlink to fix the election for Trump? They're as batsh/t crazy as you and yours were in '20. Congrats on starting a trend that will be with us for far too long. For all the bloviating from the right about weakness, this is what the world sees as such. The greatest democracy in history of the world being taken down because so called adults can't admit they lost.
That is what the world sees? How do you think you know what the world sees? From watching msnbc?
 
For Pete's sake. You've ignored variation or other causes for the last 4 years. You've been locked in on the same reasons and the arguments without fail. Look at yourself before you do your 180.

Covid hit the entire world. The world experienced increased inflation everywhere as a result. And people around the world held their leaders responsible for it. No slide rule needed to figure this out.
How many of those other countries lost to someone who is a convicted felon and supposed insurrectionist?🤔. (Of course, you’d be correct if you said those things didn’t matter.)
 
No, I am not.

Do you think Twitter influenced more people than the dnc-affiliate msm - especially abc, nbc, cbs, cnn, and msbnc -- and all their local stations across the country?
Then any comments about twitter from you mean nothing. Mush fundamentally changed what we see on Twitter. I no longer have a choice about what I see. Im flooded with right wing posts. I'm confident the algorithm for me shows I'm an independent voter and yet I get all this right wing garbage constantly. How is that not by design?

Yeah I do, along with bloggers and YouTubers and other alternative media. For all the talk about the liberal media, the right does just fine putting out its propaganda. Besides the above, which is dominated by the right, you obviously have the number one news network in Fox, Newsmax, OAN, and the Sinclair group which controls over 180 local affiliates in major markets. Go into an establishment or government facility and see what station is on.

Media that targets one party isn't watched by the other party........and younger people don't watch them at all. Everybody is watching what they agree with. That's not just a dem thing.
 
That is what the world sees? How do you think you know what the world sees? From watching msnbc?
You and yours have NO PROBLEM telling us your opinion of what the world thinks of Biden and his "weakness". And it's a hell of a lot less factual than my argument. I guess you saying it all the damn time makes it fact?
 
You and yours have NO PROBLEM telling us your opinion of what the world thinks of Biden and his "weakness". And it's a hell of a lot less factual than my argument. I guess you saying it all the damn time makes it fact?
No, Bob, we are telling you what we see - although it should be clear even to you from last week that millions of voters saw much of it the same way.

It it makes you and little Jimmy feel better, I completely agree with this headline from today:

 
No, Bob, we are telling you what we see - although it should be clear even to you from last week that millions of voters saw much of it the same way.

It it makes you and little Jimmy feel better, I completely agree with this headline from today:

"How do you think you know what the world sees?"

I'm telling you what I see. You have some kind of corner on the market on world opinion?

Lol. What you or I think about how the world sees the USA has nothing to do with what people voted for. Pretty clumsy attempt at a connection. There are few absolutes when it comes to why trump was elected but they are significant. World opinion of the USA isn't one of them.
 
"How do you think you know what the world sees?"

I'm telling you what I see. You have some kind of corner on the market on world opinion?
Bob, calm down. I think you are missing a distinction here.

Several of us, me included, have said that the leaders of certain other countries, such as Russia, China, and Iran, see Biden as weak and incompetent based on the Afg debacle, shameful Iran appeasement policy, DEI/woke policies, and so forth. Those are our opinions of how those leaders see Biden. I acknowledge you may see him as wise and strong for those policies even though they contradict your Churchill fantasies.

But I do not recall ever saying how 'the world' sees Biden. In fact, out of 8 billion people, I would guess a majority have never heard of him or know nothing about his weakness and incompetence.
 
Bob, calm down. I think you are missing a distinction here.

Several of us, me included, have said that the leaders of certain other countries, such as Russia, China, and Iran, see Biden as weak and incompetent based on the Afg debacle, shameful Iran appeasement policy, DEI/woke policies, and so forth. Those are our opinions of how those leaders see Biden. I acknowledge you may see him as wise and strong for those policies even though they contradict your Churchill fantasies.

But I do not recall ever saying how 'the world' sees Biden. In fact, out of 8 billion people, I would guess a majority have never heard of him or know nothing about his weakness and incompetence.
Whenever one of you deep thinkers starts out with a false projection, it's a tell that you're more about putdowns than substance and you don't have a real point to make.

I'm not interested enough to find out if you've said "the world" or not. It's hard to keep track of so many tools but the point remains the same regardless of whether particular countries were mentioned. This is you trying to parse out a victory. Others see the real weakness in contested elections and a chaotic congress where trump sycophants stab each other in the back to please him and go months without a speaker as a result.

Similar to your unending and relentless references to past arguments that you regurgitate to relive perceived wins. I don't know what your Churchill reference is nor do I care.
 
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Whenever one of you deep thinkers starts out with a false projection, it's a tell that you're more about putdowns than substance and you don't have a real point to make.
Were you not the deep thinker who couldn't understand the complete and deadly incompetence of closing Bagram Air Base before our people, allies, and equipment were out? I don't recall you ever acknowledged how completely stupid you were about that, did you?

Here's a chance to do it now.
 
Were you not the deep thinker who couldn't understand the complete and deadly incompetence of closing Bagram Air Base before our people, allies, and equipment were out? I don't recall you ever acknowledged how completely stupid you were about that, did you?

Here's a chance to do it now.
Lol. Afraid to quote the rest of the post?

More lol.

"Similar to your unending and relentless references to past arguments that you regurgitate to relive perceived wins."
 
Whenever one of you deep thinkers starts out with a false projection, it's a tell that you're more about putdowns than substance and you don't have a real point to make.

I'm not interested enough to find out if you've said "the world" or not. It's hard to keep track of so many tools but the point remains the same regardless of whether particular countries were mentioned. This is you trying to parse out a victory. Others see the real weakness in contested elections and a chaotic congress where trump sycophants stab each other in the back to please him and go months without a speaker as a result.

Similar to your unending and relentless references to past arguments that you regurgitate to relive perceived wins. I don't know what your Churchill reference is nor do I care.
Here is the rest of your quote, Bob. I overcame my fear and posted it. When will you overcome your fear and tell us the news sources you rely on to give you your distorted view of the world?

Are you still maintaining that closing Bagram air base before our people, allies and equipment was not the most incompetent military decisions made since George Bush Jr. left office? Was that a 'perceived' victory for you? Is that why you choose BB for your new user name, for Bagram Bob?

Your Churchill fantasy was to misapply 'Peace in Our Time' to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. You still don't get it, do you?
 
There is no context when you say "Then we know the fraud that took place in 2020". That's a clear statement. If that's a basis of your argument then there's no need to go any further.

People have been have convicted on much less? Could you be more vague when trying to make argument?
Would you say the same about some dems who are currently arguing the difference between those who voted for trump but voted democrat in the down ballots means there was fraud this year? That Elon used Starlink to fix the election for Trump? They're as batsh/t crazy as you and yours were in '20. Congrats on starting a trend that will be with us for far too long. For all the bloviating from the right about weakness, this is what the world sees as such. The greatest democracy in history of the world being taken down because so called adults can't admit they lost.
Bob, I'm not going to rehash all the findings for you, let alone the statistical anomalies. It is not important that I provide a breakthrough for you if it were possible. Probably two years ago JM or Katscratch or ?????? mention there was no fraud when in fact there was fraud...just not knowing roughly how rampant it was. You are not serious when you think the world sees Trump as weak and Biden's regime as not do you? Rhetorical, you are welcome to stay in the dark waiting for someone to tell you how to recognize something...and we are a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy
 
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Exactly which part of the post were you interested in betting on?


Again difference between language and actual action. Let me know when he runs again....lol.

Stick to action & policy.

You are going to be a busy little boy if you run down every off pudding or narcissistic Trump comment as much as he runs his mouth.
 
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Again difference between language and actual action. Let me know when he runs again....lol.

Stick to action & policy.

You are going to be a busy little boy if you run down every off pudding or narcissistic Trump comment as much as he runs his mouth.
I said he was gonna float the idea. He's doing it and hasn't even been sworn in yet.
I won't have to let you know. It will probably make the news.

Same old story. Trump's words mean nothing.........until they do.......then they don't.

I see you've started your "I don't like him but I love his policies" tour.
 
I said he was gonna float the idea. He's doing it and hasn't even been sworn in yet.
I won't have to let you know. It will probably make the news.

Same old story. Trump's words mean nothing.........until they do.......then they don't.

I see you've started your "I don't like him but I love his policies" tour.
JFC Bob, when are you going to learn?

If Trump said the earth was flat and he was going to drive off the edge of it, you'd probably believe him.
 
I said he was gonna float the idea. He's doing it and hasn't even been sworn in yet.
I won't have to let you know. It will probably make the news.

Same old story. Trump's words mean nothing.........until they do.......then they don't.

I see you've started your "I don't like him but I love his policies" tour.

We will see what policies pass. And then I will discuss them.
 
Exactly which part of the post were you interested in betting on?
Exactly the part where you said that Mr. Reese will be "right here arguing he (Trump) should get it because he was screwed over in 20.......and still have zero proof."

$10,000 says Mr. Reese will not be arguing as such.

Mr. Reese would probably like to get in on this bet too. @tjreese
 
JFC Bob, when are you going to learn?

If Trump said the earth was flat and he was going to drive off the edge of it, you'd probably believe him.
Lol. Let's put the guy in charge who you can never trust what he says. You've lowered the bar so far and don't gaf. You've said you don't care how he gets things done. Lie cheat steal, doesn't matter to you. You're proud of that. When you knowingly crawl in the gutter with the trash because there's something there you want, there's no logic is discussing anything with you.

Today you say don't believe what he says. Tomorrow you'll be bragging about trump doing what he said he would. You get to have it both ways and choose which angle depending on the conversation or topic. What's the point of even doing this.
 
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