was in the ESPN studio just now. Pretty impressive persona. I would be thrilled to have that guy going to work for Purdue football. A lot of people were impressed with DH2 speak early I realize, but this guy, wow, just seems to be much deeper in all outlooks.
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At this point, I'm all in on Fleck and will be a little disappointed if it is anyone else. Not that anyone else would be a bad hire, Fleck just seems to have that it factor and I think his craziness could work here.
To be "all in" on ONE candidate in October is just batshit crazy.
No, that is an indication of how much he stands out from the crowd of candidates. And if you are going to be bat shit crazy, might as well be over the bat shit crazy candidate.
It's just silly to be honed in one candidate when, quite honestly, there's so much unknown.
There's very few instances of schools having 1 top candidate and that's who they get.
Same conference...same schedule....same results. I'd much rather have a seasoned coach that has been at a Power 5 who has produced results. My picks would be Les or Leach. Watching Fleck is like watching a Michigan Cowboy....all hat/no cattle. Just my personal opinion.
Yes.....sure......no.
Recruiting results are the biggest difference between the 2. If you can recruit at a high level at WMU, you can certainly do it here. That's my biggest worry. We can get a good Xs and Os coach who comes here but bombs because we couldn't get the right guys here.
Hazell took somebody else's players and had 1 good year at Kent. Shame on us for making that mistake.
What Fleck did was completely tear down the program, recruit well and build it up to his standards.
If you don't see the difference between how the 2 operate, you don't know shit or just aren't paying attention. Judging by most of your other posts here, that seems to be the case.
Whoa whoa whoa. The statement "If you can recruit in the MAC, you can do it here" is just not true.
Recruiting "at a high level" in the MAC is the equivalent to recruiting at the very lowest level in the Big Ten. He's recruiting almost all 2 stars and you are competing against other teams that are recruiting almost all 2 stars.
You can say he has the personality to do well recruiting, unfortunately the draw back is he's almost done all of his work at lower-level schools with no "high level" experience. That's what concerns me. You can have all the charisma in the world, but recruiting against much higher-level programs is a lot different than recruiting against other MAC schools - all of which are on very similar levels.
I believe his recruiting rankings are mid pack Big Ten with the resources he has at WMU. That is a huge improvement from where we are now and we have better resources, so you would think they would improve a little with the step up.
Wrong,wrong,wrong 8-3 star recruits for 2017and has out recruited more than 1 BIG school the 4 years he has been there.
Wow....let's make it personal. He recruited to the MAC, not the B10, nor the SEC, nor any power conference. And he's recruited MAC level players....just as Hazell did here. It's evident you know nothing about that, and if you believe that just because he's won a few there, he'll have that same record here, have fun playing hide and seek with the Easter Bunny. And guess what....at his current location, he's not recruiting against Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa, Northwestern, Nebraska, PSU, Ohio State...or even a Purdue or IU. He's recruiting against Akron, Ball State, Bowling Green and Miami.
Also....what hasn't been said about FLECK.....One of Fleck's first actions as head coach was to rescind scholarship offers to incoming players who had verbally committed to Western Michigan. The withdraws occurred weeks before the national signing day, and left players unable to arrange other Division I scholarships as slots were already filled at other schools.[17] "I know if it was me, I would be ticked," Fleck said of the players who had scholarship offers pulled. "I also know if it was me, I would have showed up in the office of the head football coach, telling him I was dying to still be here."[17] Fleck started his position during a dead period when recruits are not allowed to have face-to-face contact with coaches.
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If Toledo runs the table and beats Fleck's team the last game of the season (very real possibility), will people want Toledo's coach who will be 21-3 at that point as Toledo's head coach (plus a bowl win against Temple) and 2-1 against Fleck?
I personally don't want a MAC coach for this hire. Maybe in other years, yes. But this hire is too important. We need somebody proven in the Power 5, a name from the NFL, or somebody who runs the Baylor offense.
I personally don't want a MAC coach for this hire. Maybe in other years, yes. But this hire is too important. We need somebody proven in the Power 5, a name from the NFL, or somebody who runs the Baylor offense.
I agree with all you said until the part about "Somebody who runs the Baylor offense". There are a lot of offenses that will work with the right and proven coach. Nice points about Fleck.
The only way you are getting a P5 coach, is if it's a failed P5 coach because a successful one would have a job. I don't want someone else's failed experiment.
Hey, I hear that Darell Hazell guy is available, he's got P5 coaching experience, maybe we should go grab him as that is the kind of P5 coaching experience you are going to get.
NFL guys don't have to recruit, so I wouldn't want anyone who has only ever coached in the NFL, recruiting is to important to over look that ability and experience.
Well, I'm all in on the Baylor offense at a school like Purdue. We aren't ever going to be able to out recruit the big boys unless we have something unique to offer. It's a proven commodity in turning around programs quickly and proven to be exciting to watch. It's lasted so long at Baylor because it's so secretive that opposing coaches still don't have the recipe to slow it down.
Philip Montgomery, Tulsa....
17 years with Briles....Turned around Tulsa in 1 season....currently 5-2 in season two.
Philip Montgomery, Tulsa....
17 years with Briles....Turned around Tulsa in 1 season....currently 5-2 in season two.
It seems like it is spreading though, the more it spreads, the sooner people figure it out and how to stop it.
That is why Tiller was so successful. It was hard for teams to prepare for us when we were the only ones running a spread, now everyone runs a variation of spread so you don't have to do something completely different just to stop one team with only a week to prepare.
So really what you want is not someone who runs the Baylor offense, but someone who is innovative that can come up with a new twist that no one else is doing so teams have to prepare specifically for you.
No, actually I want the Baylor offense specifically. http://www.campusrush.com/baylor-syracuse-offense-art-briles-dino-babers-2052161955.html.
It's not the same as other spreads. There is no written playbook on it...only people who have coached in the Baylor system fully understand how it works...Montgomery being the most experienced with it.
It's also a ticket to a quick turnaround with nobody else in the BIG10 west running anything remotely similar. Forcing Iowa, Nebraska, NW to cover the entire width of the field on every play plus possibly having to score 40 to beat us....all the while wearing down their defenses with the tempo evens the playing field a bit.
It also wouldn't require amazing recruiting to compete. It's an instant identity however that recruits know what they would be signing up for.
We might get beat 50-45, but at least it makes for something fun to watch.
It's not the same as other spreads. There is no written playbook on it...only people who have coached in the Baylor system fully understand how it works...Montgomery being the most experienced with it.
It's also a ticket to a quick turnaround with nobody else in the BIG10 west running anything remotely similar. Forcing Iowa, Nebraska, NW to cover the entire width of the field on every play plus possibly having to score 40 to beat us....all the while wearing down their defenses with the tempo evens the playing field a bit.
It also wouldn't require amazing recruiting to compete. It's an instant identity however that recruits know what they would be signing up for.
We might get beat 50-45, but at least it makes for something fun to watch.
That just all kind of craziness as the assistants have coached in several locations, had different assistants under then and lots of players go through. They act like it is secretive and mysterious, but a lot of people know it by now, so if someone really wants to find out, it wouldn't be that hard.
And it really comes down to pace, you are seeing more teams trying it, the problem with it is when things aren't quite clicking, your defense is toast which is why more don't run it. It really isn't a mystery and there is an absolute limit to how far it can take you because of the strain it can put on your Defense.
But I think I would prefer a Brohm
All that strain on Briles' Houston and Baylor defenses lead them to 10 out of 13 winning seasons including five 10+ winning seasons... plus probably another this year for 10+ wins for Baylor.
It took a 2-win Tulsa team to a 6 win team in Montgomery's first year....and they are off to a 5-2 start this year.
Not to mention Dino Babers being 41-20 in his 4.5 seasons as a head coach running that offense.
It's a proven commodity regardless of who the coach is running it...and unlike some of those other schools, we actually have 2 pretty good QB's who would be great fits in that system.
Why are folks assuming that Fleck will even want to come here? If I were his agent, I would recommend that he stay at WM another season and wait for a better job to come available.
If he does come, one of my concerns with Fleck is that he does a "quick flip" and gets our current team to about 6-6 and then leaves for a better job in 1 or 2 seasons without really upgrading the program moving forward.
I do think he will be successful wherever he finally ends up for the long run though.
If he does come, one of my concerns with Fleck is that he does a "quick flip" and gets our current team to about 6-6 and then leaves for a better job in 1 or 2 seasons without really upgrading the program moving forward.
I do think he will be successful wherever he finally ends up for the long run though.
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I left Babers out when choosing a top 4. Let me revise my picks and choose a top 5: Fleck, Brohm, Babers, Pelini & Taggert in no particular order.
so what you are saying is don't go to Purdue and build the program back up, go to an school that has won the last few years, is that right? Why not come here, build the program up and do well for long term.
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Mid-pack Big Ten?
In 2016, Western Michigan finished 64th in Rivals rankings, which would be #11/14 in the Big Ten.
In 2015, Western Michigan finished 78th in Rivals rankings, which would be #14/14.
In 2014, Western Michigan Finished 62nd in Rivals rankings, which would be #11/14.
He's recruiting competitively with us, sure, and that's a big compliment to him. But he's not dealing with elite level recruiting. He's never landed one 4 star recruit.
Look, I'm not trying to be negative on him. There's a lot to like. But there's also a lot of "green" there too. And to not acknowledge that - is a bit risky (and reminds me a lot of Hazell's hiring).
I would love to get Fleck ..but i also think we need to be realistic. Purdue football isn't exactly in a good place. We have pushed out the last 3 coaches..Our facilities are not what they should be.. And there will be some big programs looking for a coach.. Why would Fleck come here when he can go to Texas, LSU, possibly ND or Oregon.. Plus there is always 1 or 2 surprise openings... We need to go with a high flying young OC that will make the game exciting and put butts in the seats.. As someone said earlier... We may loose 50-45 but it would make the team fun... And kids want to play that kind of offense.. If we go for another conservative P5 coach (who probably failed at his last job) i just don't see us competing...Or throw money at Briles and put him on a short leash with a contract that covers Purdues butt if he messes up or decides to jump ship... Kinda like what Louisville did with Petrino
Not trying to start anything, but Fleck and Hazell are close. Fleck was his GA at Ohio State. Doubt Fleck goes to Purdue.
Or, that helps because he knows what he's walking and it's not like Purdue wasn't patient and gave Hazell a chance.
I don't see what one has to do with the other.I'm sure if Fleck went to talk to Hazell about the job he'd notice a flashy watch, a nice suit and a guy who's bank account is going to be $14.5 mil deeper for winning 9 games in 4 years. Don't really see how Fleck could take that as a negative.
Even if he falls flat on his face he is set for life.
I really think people underestimate what our job offers.
Fleck recruits Chicagoland. There are 16 players from Chicago and suburbs on the WMU roster. Purdue has one.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/roster/_/id/2711/western-michigan-broncos
http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/roster/_/id/2711/western-michigan-broncos
Les is an offensive coach who couldn't coach an offense. Sorry he isn't a good fit for Purdue .
All that wearing cleats to practice and row the boat and all his other "rah rah" stuff looks stupid if you go 3-9.
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