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"Finding those guys in the portal that have those winning qualities."

"Because you don't have time to instill it." Painters response in the after game press conference on what he terms the new landscape of college basketball. He's not talking about ability, or stats, or stars here. He's talking pure attitude and mindset.
So clear last night. Rutgers has more "talent" across the team, but got whipped. Big strong athletic guys. That don't know how to play together. Yet anyway. Easier to be cocky when you've got the best pg in college hoops. And when their best player (best player in the league?) is not himself. ;)
 
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"Because you don't have time to instill it." Painters response in the after game press conference on what he terms the new landscape of college basketball. He's not talking about ability, or stats, or stars here. He's talking pure attitude and mindset.


Kinda disagree with this. But he's still NOT wrong. You just need guys that have both the right attitude AND statistical ability.

But even in advanced stats - it can be measured too or Braden Smith would not be so high in some standards....listed as a top ten player in efficiency.

But there definitely are simple stats that measure it regardless of the quote above. Scoring, assists, rebounds, the lack of TOs.

Can you imagine this team with one more consistent scorer at the 3 or 4......with the right attitude. Well that's NOT going to come from a guy that you grab from the portal that only scores 5 a game.
 
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Kinda disagree with this. But he's still NOT wrong. You just need guys that have both the right attitude AND statistical ability.

But even in advanced stats - it can be measured too or Braden Smith would not be so high in some standards....listed as a top ten player in efficiency.

But there definitely are simple stats that measure it regardless of the quote above. Scoring, assists, rebounds, the lack of TOs.

Can you imagine this team with one more consistent scorer at the 3 or 4......with the right attitude. Well that's NOT going to come from a guy that you grab from the portal that only scores 5 a game.
So many missed open shots last night after B had set them up. He could have had 20+ assists last night.

Anyways, hope Smith continues this tear he’s on.

Like TJ mentioned in another post, he is more focused on scoring and himself, as opposed to almost going out of his way to get others involved. His scoring obviously helps the team, but it helps his teammates get open looks too.

Sorry for the long rant haha. At the end of it all I agree with what you said.
 
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Kinda disagree with this. But he's still NOT wrong. You just need guys that have both the right attitude AND statistical ability.

But even in advanced stats - it can be measured too or Braden Smith would not be so high in some standards....listed as a top ten player in efficiency.

But there definitely are simple stats that measure it regardless of the quote above. Scoring, assists, rebounds, the lack of TOs

Can you imagine this team with one more consistent scorer at the 3 or 4......with the right attitude. Well that's NOT going to come from a guy that you grab from the portal that only scores 5 a game.
I listened to the UCLA coach rant posted on the page. He has, without a doubt, some of the best talent in the country. But part of the issue is that in BB, unlike FB IMO, you have so MANY players out there that can be absolute stat machines nowadays. So how do you winnow out the winners from all of the talent? Props to Matt, he's gotten very, very good at doing that. And a lot of coaches are going to have to try to adjust to doing the same thing, or you'll see a school buying the talent and calling for the coaches head when they don't make it past the 1st or second round.

I'll also point back to that test he got from the Colts guy to evaluate potential recruits. That has paid off in spades, IMO.
 
So many missed open shots last night after B had set them up. He could have had 20+ assists last night.
Completely agree with this. Against all but the most elite defenses, this offense would be rolling if Smith plays as he has, Trey stays out of foul trouble and shooters hit open shots.

Trey and the shooters are going to have to figure those things out if this team is going to contend in conference and make a run in March.
 
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Completely agree with this. Against all but the most elite defenses, this offense would be rolling if Smith plays as he has, Trey stays out of foul trouble and shooters got open shots.

Trey and the shooters are going to have to figure those things out if this team is going to contend in conference and make a run in March.
Trey getting into foul trouble was a blessing in disguise. It allowed/forced more furst mins and other guys into the rotation that maybe don’t play as much mins.

The confidence in Furst continues to increase and he is balling out (for him). He has helped change this team and excited to see him vs the better teams in the league and see how he fares.

But agree on your last point. I think they will but we probably take some lumps before then. Frosh are starting to figure it out a bit. Hope Colvin and Heide can find their shooting stroke again. Was encouraging to see Cam take it to the hole against Bailey—even if he got blocked to oblivion. Him and Colvin have been better/more aggressive on the boards the last two games too.
 
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Furst,......

The confidence in Furst continues to increase and he is balling out (for him). He has helped change this team and excited to see him vs the better teams in the league and see how he fares.

Speaking of winning qualities, on the re-watch, Furst did so many little things that helped win on both sides of the ball. Impressive last night. Might have been his best game. Agree we will need that as competition heats up and with top teams that have huge centers.
 
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Kinda disagree with this. But he's still NOT wrong. You just need guys that have both the right attitude AND statistical ability.

But even in advanced stats - it can be measured too or Braden Smith would not be so high in some standards....listed as a top ten player in efficiency.

But there definitely are simple stats that measure it regardless of the quote above. Scoring, assists, rebounds, the lack of TOs.

Can you imagine this team with one more consistent scorer at the 3 or 4......with the right attitude. Well that's NOT going to come from a guy that you grab from the portal that only scores 5 a game.
In ALL statistical studies or modeling where there is any repeated measure on a variable in the model there will exist an error term...that is some difference between "values" being measured under what is declared under a certain condition. Many times that error is not only measurement error, but unknown variable or variables NOT measured. This is true for Braden...not all his value can be calculated due to only those metrics measured, such as grit, intelligent play, leadership, control of the game, being in the middle of the action continuously and obviously the much fewer assist should players shoot better. ;)

There are things that stats do not measure and of those that they do...many comparisons come out of different populations which can be misleading with less data. Having a good scoring 4 would help a lot, but Caleb is bringing his own positives to the team that also carry over to other players with his fight AND communication on coverage...which appeared to be good last night even though I was limited to mouths moving and pointing out players have helped this team a lot.
 
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Kinda disagree with this. But he's still NOT wrong. You just need guys that have both the right attitude AND statistical ability.

But even in advanced stats - it can be measured too or Braden Smith would not be so high in some standards....listed as a top ten player in efficiency.

But there definitely are simple stats that measure it regardless of the quote above. Scoring, assists, rebounds, the lack of TOs.

Can you imagine this team with one more consistent scorer at the 3 or 4......with the right attitude. Well that's NOT going to come from a guy that you grab from the portal that only scores 5 a game.
This is a bit of what I tried saying on this moments ago. Let's say we were interested in the relationship or more accurate measurement of a weight and height. So we have a scatterplot of various weights for given heights...maybe 5'8" 6'4" or whatever. We plot that relationship on the data and we see an upward trend as one gets taller they generally get heavier. However, we also notice that some 6' people are heavier than 6'3" people and so forth and so even though there is an upward trend there is a lot of variation about "centerline" of all the data. Those different values for each height setting creates an error term and that error term or large variation makes predicting with accuracy hard.

We wise up and throw in another variable into the model called calories eaten daily and monitor that and also see an upward trend with variation albeit somewhat reduced and so that variable now measured helps explain the model more and reduces variation about each measured value.

Still, with too much variation we now realize that exercise is important and throw exercise into the model along with calories eaten per grouping of exercise range versus height and we have now reduced the variation or error term (think of error as potential unexplained, unstudied sources of variation that may be measurement error or just effects not measured) and now the variation has been reduced a lot, but still there to some degree...unaware that age and relative metabolism is also at play...which lies in the error term since we haven't accounted for that variable. This is why stats and data are good, but not everything is accurately portrayed in data relative to the game other than the final score... ;)
 
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There's no dichotomy here. It's not as if talent is on one end and winning and character are on another.

If he wants to make it back to the final four then yeah I think he's probably going to need to add at least one player from the portal. Just like he had to last season, we don't get there without Jones.
 
So many missed open shots last night after B had set them up. He could have had 20+ assists last night.

Anyways, hope Smith continues this tear he’s on.

Like TJ mentioned in another post, he is more focused on scoring and himself, as opposed to almost going out of his way to get others involved. His scoring obviously helps the team, but it helps his teammates get open looks too.

Sorry for the long rant haha. At the end of it all I agree with what you said.
My main concern after last night is the missed free throws. TKR specifically needs to get it figured out.
 
We’ve been sayin that since last year 😂
Not sure I've ever seen a scorer (here) that is so up and down on FT's. ok, mostly down-ish. But several times this season he's looked Good shooting it and I've relaxed and thought great he's figured it out and then a game later he looks dyslexic shooting it. His arm movements get stiff and elongated when he's off, and how much wrist flick is inconsistant. Just looks discombobulated. ???
 
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Not sure I've ever seen a scorer (here) that is so up and down on FT's. ok, mostly down-ish. But several times this season he's looked Good shooting it and I've relaxed and thought great he's figured it out and then a game later he looks dyslexic shooting it. His arm movements get stiff and elongated when he's off, and how much wrist flick is inconsistant. Just looks discombobulated. ???
I don't get it. In addition to the things you mention he falls away on half of them. Furst FT are looking weird too. Seems like he is releasing the ball under his chin. Robbie does half our games couldn't he work this guys on a repeatable and reliable form? It will bite us at some point.
 
The original post re:painter's discussion of portal players is why I always shake my head and smirk when I see tge all-knowing posts saying "Painter should have filled this need or that" from the portal. More times than not portal additions turn out to be meh or disrupt the makeup of what you already have. Few coaches are going to make living by restocking each year from the portal and molding it into a winning team.
 
More times than not portal additions turn out to be meh or disrupt the makeup of what you already have.

The above just isn't reality. Nearly every conference leader and most of the top 20 have portal additions. If most or many were disruptive this wouldn't be true.


Few coaches are going to make living by restocking each year from the portal and molding it into a winning team.

Agree with this.
But then again, this isn't remotely close to what fans here are asking for next year. I have seen numerous posts, including my own talking about adding only 1-2 players to our core, with the emphasis on retention. And I will be surprised if CMP doesn't add at least one guy.
 
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If Jacobson stayed healthy or if catchings ce actually stayed, there wouldn’t be any talk of painter recruiting a player in the portal
 
The original post re:painter's discussion of portal players is why I always shake my head and smirk when I see tge all-knowing posts saying "Painter should have filled this need or that" from the portal. More times than not portal additions turn out to be meh or disrupt the makeup of what you already have. Few coaches are going to make living by restocking each year from the portal and molding it into a winning team.
Except no one here said that. Some folks just love to troll posters, and that's fine, but everyone knew we had no room this year so no one said Painter should have done anything this season. We not only had no room, we were over signed until the Spring.

People talked about two things: hypotheticals about IF we had room who might be helpful from the portal and the need for additions next year.

No one said restocking, folks said the same thing we said before Jones got here, we needed a little help, lo and behold, Painter saw it too and went out and got a transfer and he was key to use making the championship game.

Anything else is hyperbolic straw man creation. No one said replace the whole team and no one attacked Painter at least on here for not doing something he literally couldn't have done even if he wanted to this season. And no one said just take anyone. Everyone agrees you need the right fit not just pure talent. I don't know what some random Twitter person might have said, but I mean Twitter is a cesspool so who cares?

Now, does he need to add someone next season? Yeah, if he wants a final four team. For his sarcasm I'm pretty sure if another Jones type player comes along Painter isn't going to say no then either.
 
In ALL statistical studies or modeling where there is any repeated measure on a variable in the model there will exist an error term...that is some difference between "values" being measured under what is declared under a certain condition. Many times that error is not only measurement error, but unknown variable or variables NOT measured. This is true for Braden...not all his value can be calculated due to only those metrics measured, such as grit, intelligent play, leadership, control of the game, being in the middle of the action continuously and
Sometimes I think Braden's high assist stats contribute to a lesser functioning offense. As you said, he's always in the action and I see other players standing in the corners not really certain where he's going to be or how to react to where he is. Which to me, leads to a lack of movement and other players not being involved in the offense...who should be.
 
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Sometimes I think Braden's high assist stats contribute to a lesser functioning offense. As you said, he's always in the action and I see other players standing in the corners not really certain where he's going to be or how to react to where he is. Which to me, leads to a lack of movement and other players not being involved in the offense...who should be.
How in the world does high assists lead to lack of movement and others not being in the action? The literal result of a player getting assists is him getting other players into the action.

How would fewer assists from Braden lead to others being in the action more? Are you advocating he plays less?

I would think his ability to make great passes would be incentive for folks to get themselves into the action. If you are standing around in a motion heavy offense that's kinda on you.
 
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Sometimes I think Braden's high assist stats contribute to a lesser functioning offense. As you said, he's always in the action and I see other players standing in the corners not really certain where he's going to be or how to react to where he is. Which to me, leads to a lack of movement and other players not being involved in the offense...who should be.
Wut? Do you understand how assists work?
 
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Sometimes I think Braden's high assist stats contribute to a lesser functioning offense. As you said, he's always in the action and I see other players standing in the corners not really certain where he's going to be or how to react to where he is. Which to me, leads to a lack of movement and other players not being involved in the offense...who should be.
that is true (ball players in corners). He is a ball dominate pg that the coaches believe that his decision making is great and so they want him controlling the game. FWIW, In a given time frame...say a second, there are only at max four players doing much and actually in that split second there are only two outside the ball handler. Many teams put people in the corners and spread the court knowing they are there to reduce the help defense by spacing the court. I type a lot already and so commenting appropriately as I wish cannot take place, because I have a few things to do before the game today. Does Purdue have the other ball handler's to have all involved should a coach want that? If not and the reduced clock to shoot within say a 15 or so second time frame does make it hard inside any possession.
 
Not true.
hmm, I think it probably is true. If Catchings was the new guy that can get his own shot and if DJ had continued to be a presence at the rim and shooting it outside to open the middle for Trey against 4's. 2 more bigs up front. One a dynamic (maybe) and tall swingman.
What would Matt looking for if that worked out as planned?
 
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Sometimes I think Braden's high assist stats contribute to a lesser functioning offense. As you said, he's always in the action and I see other players standing in the corners not really certain where he's going to be or how to react to where he is. Which to me, leads to a lack of movement and other players not being involved in the offense...who should be.
Run hard, cut to the basket and keep your hands up and ready and your eyes on the ball at all times.
Watch Furst going forward.
Not complicated when you have a distributor.
 
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