"Finding those guys in the portal that have those winning qualities."

[Tommaker]

"Because you don't have time to instill it." Painters response in the after game press conference on what he terms the new landscape of college basketball. He's not talking about ability, or stats, or stars here. He's talking pure attitude and mindset.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

"Because you don't have time to instill it." Painters response in the after game press conference on what he terms the new landscape of college basketball. He's not talking about ability, or stats, or stars here. He's talking pure attitude and mindset.

So clear last night. Rutgers has more "talent" across the team, but got whipped. Big strong athletic guys. That don't know how to play together. Yet anyway. Easier to be cocky when you've got the best pg in college hoops. And when their best player (best player in the league?) is not himself.

 

[Boiler Buck]

Y

"Because you don't have time to instill it." Painters response in the after game press conference on what he terms the new landscape of college basketball. He's not talking about ability, or stats, or stars here. He's talking pure attitude and mindset.

Kinda disagree with this. But he's still NOT wrong. You just need guys that have both the right attitude AND statistical ability.

But even in advanced stats - it can be measured too or Braden Smith would not be so high in some standards....listed as a top ten player in efficiency.

But there definitely are simple stats that measure it regardless of the quote above. Scoring, assists, rebounds, the lack of TOs.

Can you imagine this team with one more consistent scorer at the 3 or 4......with the right attitude. Well that's NOT going to come from a guy that you grab from the portal that only scores 5 a game.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Y


Kinda disagree with this. But he's still NOT wrong. You just need guys that have both the right attitude AND statistical ability.

But even in advanced stats - it can be measured too or Braden Smith would not be so high in some standards....listed as a top ten player in efficiency.

But there definitely are simple stats that measure it regardless of the quote above. Scoring, assists, rebounds, the lack of TOs.

Can you imagine this team with one more consistent scorer at the 3 or 4......with the right attitude. Well that's NOT going to come from a guy that you grab from the portal that only scores 5 a game.

So many missed open shots last night after B had set them up. He could have had 20+ assists last night.

Anyways, hope Smith continues this tear he’s on.

Like TJ mentioned in another post, he is more focused on scoring and himself, as opposed to almost going out of his way to get others involved. His scoring obviously helps the team, but it helps his teammates get open looks too.

Sorry for the long rant haha. At the end of it all I agree with what you said.

 

[Tommaker]

Y


Kinda disagree with this. But he's still NOT wrong. You just need guys that have both the right attitude AND statistical ability.

But even in advanced stats - it can be measured too or Braden Smith would not be so high in some standards....listed as a top ten player in efficiency.

But there definitely are simple stats that measure it regardless of the quote above. Scoring, assists, rebounds, the lack of TOs

Can you imagine this team with one more consistent scorer at the 3 or 4......with the right attitude. Well that's NOT going to come from a guy that you grab from the portal that only scores 5 a game.

I listened to the UCLA coach rant posted on the page. He has, without a doubt, some of the best talent in the country. But part of the issue is that in BB, unlike FB IMO, you have so MANY players out there that can be absolute stat machines nowadays. So how do you winnow out the winners from all of the talent? Props to Matt, he's gotten very, very good at doing that. And a lot of coaches are going to have to try to adjust to doing the same thing, or you'll see a school buying the talent and calling for the coaches head when they don't make it past the 1st or second round.

I'll also point back to that test he got from the Colts guy to evaluate potential recruits. That has paid off in spades, IMO.

 

[northside100]

So many missed open shots last night after B had set them up. He could have had 20+ assists last night.

Completely agree with this. Against all but the most elite defenses, this offense would be rolling if Smith plays as he has, Trey stays out of foul trouble and shooters hit open shots.

Trey and the shooters are going to have to figure those things out if this team is going to contend in conference and make a run in March.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Completely agree with this. Against all but the most elite defenses, this offense would be rolling if Smith plays as he has, Trey stays out of foul trouble and shooters got open shots.

Trey and the shooters are going to have to figure those things out if this team is going to contend in conference and make a run in March.

Trey getting into foul trouble was a blessing in disguise. It allowed/forced more furst mins and other guys into the rotation that maybe don’t play as much mins.

The confidence in Furst continues to increase and he is balling out (for him). He has helped change this team and excited to see him vs the better teams in the league and see how he fares.

But agree on your last point. I think they will but we probably take some lumps before then. Frosh are starting to figure it out a bit. Hope Colvin and Heide can find their shooting stroke again. Was encouraging to see Cam take it to the hole against Bailey—even if he got blocked to oblivion. Him and Colvin have been better/more aggressive on the boards the last two games too.

 

[Boiler Buck]

Furst,......

The confidence in Furst continues to increase and he is balling out (for him). He has helped change this team and excited to see him vs the better teams in the league and see how he fares.

Speaking of winning qualities, on the re-watch, Furst did so many little things that helped win on both sides of the ball. Impressive last night. Might have been his best game. Agree we will need that as competition heats up and with top teams that have huge centers.

 

[tjreese]

Y


Kinda disagree with this. But he's still NOT wrong. You just need guys that have both the right attitude AND statistical ability.

But even in advanced stats - it can be measured too or Braden Smith would not be so high in some standards....listed as a top ten player in efficiency.

But there definitely are simple stats that measure it regardless of the quote above. Scoring, assists, rebounds, the lack of TOs.

Can you imagine this team with one more consistent scorer at the 3 or 4......with the right attitude. Well that's NOT going to come from a guy that you grab from the portal that only scores 5 a game.

In ALL statistical studies or modeling where there is any repeated measure on a variable in the model there will exist an error term...that is some difference between "values" being measured under what is declared under a certain condition. Many times that error is not only measurement error, but unknown variable or variables NOT measured. This is true for Braden...not all his value can be calculated due to only those metrics measured, such as grit, intelligent play, leadership, control of the game, being in the middle of the action continuously and obviously the much fewer assist should players shoot better.

There are things that stats do not measure and of those that they do...many comparisons come out of different populations which can be misleading with less data. Having a good scoring 4 would help a lot, but Caleb is bringing his own positives to the team that also carry over to other players with his fight AND communication on coverage...which appeared to be good last night even though I was limited to mouths moving and pointing out players have helped this team a lot.

 

[tjreese]

Y


Kinda disagree with this. But he's still NOT wrong. You just need guys that have both the right attitude AND statistical ability.

But even in advanced stats - it can be measured too or Braden Smith would not be so high in some standards....listed as a top ten player in efficiency.

But there definitely are simple stats that measure it regardless of the quote above. Scoring, assists, rebounds, the lack of TOs.

Can you imagine this team with one more consistent scorer at the 3 or 4......with the right attitude. Well that's NOT going to come from a guy that you grab from the portal that only scores 5 a game.

This is a bit of what I tried saying on this moments ago. Let's say we were interested in the relationship or more accurate measurement of a weight and height. So we have a scatterplot of various weights for given heights...maybe 5'8" 6'4" or whatever. We plot that relationship on the data and we see an upward trend as one gets taller they generally get heavier. However, we also notice that some 6' people are heavier than 6'3" people and so forth and so even though there is an upward trend there is a lot of variation about "centerline" of all the data. Those different values for each height setting creates an error term and that error term or large variation makes predicting with accuracy hard.

We wise up and throw in another variable into the model called calories eaten daily and monitor that and also see an upward trend with variation albeit somewhat reduced and so that variable now measured helps explain the model more and reduces variation about each measured value.

Still, with too much variation we now realize that exercise is important and throw exercise into the model along with calories eaten per grouping of exercise range versus height and we have now reduced the variation or error term (think of error as potential unexplained, unstudied sources of variation that may be measurement error or just effects not measured) and now the variation has been reduced a lot, but still there to some degree...unaware that age and relative metabolism is also at play...which lies in the error term since we haven't accounted for that variable. This is why stats and data are good, but not everything is accurately portrayed in data relative to the game other than the final score...

 

[qazplm]

There's no dichotomy here. It's not as if talent is on one end and winning and character are on another.

If he wants to make it back to the final four then yeah I think he's probably going to need to add at least one player from the portal. Just like he had to last season, we don't get there without Jones.

 

[*4purdue*]

So many missed open shots last night after B had set them up. He could have had 20+ assists last night.

Anyways, hope Smith continues this tear he’s on.

Like TJ mentioned in another post, he is more focused on scoring and himself, as opposed to almost going out of his way to get others involved. His scoring obviously helps the team, but it helps his teammates get open looks too.

Sorry for the long rant haha. At the end of it all I agree with what you said.

My main concern after last night is the missed free throws. TKR specifically needs to get it figured out.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

My main concern after last night is the missed free throws. TKR specifically needs to get it figured out.

We’ve been sayin that since last year 😂