Actually on second thought you should listen to Nebraska fans.. they think Simeon Rice is still on your team.. you might have a chance to get him back lol
Finally the wait is over....
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Crazy how it always seems at the peak of their powers that the mighty will never falter, but they always eventually do, at least for a while. Nebraska, Miami, Florida, Florida State, USC, ND…
I knew Miami was gonna end Nebraska’s program as they knew it going Into the 02 rose bowl and that unlike say Florida they’d never be back
That 2001 Miami team was insane. 38 players on that roster got drafted, 17 of them in the first round.
It was that combined with the fact that the triple option was just not going to survive in major college football .. that game showed it. I knew it would because I had been watching a lot of Miami the previous year and a half.
crouch was getting hit and as he pitched the ball two Miami defenders were meeting the running back at the same time the ball got there.. thunder Collins was more like drizzle Collins
'Bama is going to be 'Bama for some time, regardless...the comparison to FSU is not valid to me in that FSU was not near the national power that 'Bama is, and, far more guys to succeed Saban ultimately than what there was at FSU for Bowden.
The only caveat in my mind...the expansion and addition of Texas and Oklahoma may make it difficult to maintain the annual dominance.
To your other point...Tiller found a niche, and, also had a pitch along the lines of Barnett...imperative that Brohm (or the next coach) do the same for Purdue to gain any relevance again.
It has more to do with the fact that ALL just assumed that they could/would win because of who they were...they did not adjust to the changing game or changes in recruiting. They all had HUGE advantages at one time that do not exist in the same regard any longer, and, all were slow to adapt...some still are for that matter...no better example than Nebraska.
FSU??
From '87 through 2005 they had high rankings of #1, 2 or 3 virtually every season, with only one season having a high ranking as low as #6. Even after that (through 2017) they were a top 5 team.
That's 30 freakin' years (minus about 5, here and there) of being a top 5 program. Not sure how you can make any reasonable argument they're not a comparison. They had an incredibly long run of being at (or near) the top.
I sort of get what he's saying though. Let's say Coach K retires and Duke becomes just another ACC basketball program. We could all see that happening, right? Even though they've been elite for over 30 years. It was all under one coach. That's what FSU football was in hindsight. Whereas Alabama had claims to national titles under 4 separate coaching regimes before Saban ever set foot in Tuscaloosa.
Fair enough.
FSU's run occurred under two coaches: Bowden the Jimbo.
I think it's reasonable to point out that the Florida schools' successes have occurred primarily as significant population has shifted into that state, which really hasn't been that long (50-60 years).
There's a fine line you seem to be trying to "argue" (debate?) here, and I would point out that two things can be true at once. Was FSU dominant? Unequivocally, yes. Did that occur under two "regimes", and over a substantial period of time? No doubt. Was 'Bama an established program before FSU? No doubt.
FIrstDownB hit on part of it, but, there is more to it in that FSU played in a worthless conference, whereas 'Bama...present day...dominates the annual best conference...FSU, even with all of those lofty numbers, did not do that...never mind close to the same degree,
No doubt that they were a premier program, but, it was due to Bowden and keeping the incredible amount of talent to remain in-state...football seemed so much more a regional thing during that time than it does now...in part because of conference expansion, and, truly because of television and having virtually every game on TV, which was not the case then unless you played at a place like FSU.
Nonetheless...I was not trying to bash FSU, nor, question you (as you are right in that they had a long period of sustained success and national relevance), but, I don't think they rivaled what 'Bama is and has been for some time, at a time where it seemingly is more difficult to do (and in a conference where it is most difficult to do it).
The 3 Florida schools won a combined 11 National Titles between 1983 and 2013. And now none of them are even in the conversation. How does that happen?
Not sure but I’m glad it did. As a late 80s Purdue grad I always rooted for anyone playing ND and then anyone playing against those Florida schools. Don’t know why except the Florida schools always seemed dirty.
Not being argumentative, but, respectfully, none of that changes my point.
FSU was dominant. Nationally. For a long, LONG time.
Now... not so much.
Things change.
Again... the landscape changes.
Hells bells, look at Meatchicken in the B1G... PSU before (and shortly after) joining the B1G... Nebraska... (uh...!)
Look at the B1G programs who were irrelevant, but now are perennial contenders.
Your point is accurate, no doubt about it...I just contend not as dominant as 'Bama, or, at least not as impressive with respect to the dominance...and, more importantly, I think 'Bama's has more staying power...maybe not, only time will tell.
I think it changed with FSU almost entirely because of Bowden...it changed with Miami once someone came in and tried to reign in some of the chaos that had ensued.
Well, those schools essentially locked down the state back then...and, the talent was incredible.
All 3 schools had national acclaim and appeal...all 3 had some things happening off the field that benefited them as well (i.e., boosters).
Back then, those rivalries were as good as any in the country and huge deals nationally.
Bowden put them on the map, no doubt. I've read different accounts/historical perspectives, much was tied to the significant population shift that occurred, people moving to FL, etc. Bowden was talented, and in the right place at the right time.
Most people forget (or are unaware) he was at WVU when the Marshall plane went down. His records at WVU were respectable, but went to FSU and built a program... a program that would become a dynasty for many, many years. The (visual) string of #1 and #2 and #3 for decades is impressive, although they need to 'right the ship', given their current string.
'Bama's "staying power" is equally impressive, and pre-dates FSU's. In the "modern era" (last 40-50 years) I don't think anyone could find two programs more impressive (OSU at times?).
Just meant in terms of the population growth you referenced earlier. They’ve all made at least one really bad hire, could be as simple as that.
I do feel that the game was much more regionalized back then...which played a part in the dominance of the Florida schools, and, before that, with Alabama.
I knew Bowden had started at WVU, and, remember hearing him talking about his being here when the Marshall crash occurred.
What he did was indeed really impressive...he had some incredibly talented teams over the years...I think the fact that the conference was not very good played a part in their dominance not being recognized for as impressive as it ultimately was...much like Clemson in recent years.
I think it is more difficult today to be dominant to the degree that 'Bama has been and is, especially in that conference...but as I said in an earlier post, conference expansion stands to cut into that as it is just hard to imagine anyone continuing to dominate to the extent that they have and are with the likes of Georgia and maybe LSU threatening it a bit, and, now having to deal also with maybe Oklahoma and Texas.
FSU's success was sustained for so long and were dominant vs so many programs, it's difficult to discount some of their success due to being part of a weak ACC. Even as an independent (through 1991) they were playing Florida, Miami (in their heyday), SECs like Aubur, et al, and were running off bowl game wins against the powers of the day (from '82 through '95 a string of unbeaten bowl games).
It is just so difficult for any program to have sustained success at the highest level, and have it in multiple decades, which puts programs like 'Bama, FSU and others on a different historical level.
