Faux News' Jesse Watters' Friend Got DOGE'd
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Yeah, it’s like the old saying the chickens have come home to roost. Last week Watters is all in on the DOGE ignorant federal personnel cuts. Now that his buddy may be getting cut he seems butt hurt about them now.
A lot of these federal workers voted for Chump. I wonder how they feel about him now. Chump sure didn’t talk about these widespread federal worker cuts doing the election. I wonder why.
Do you believe a federal worker is entitled to a lifetime job? People in the private sector get laid off all the time when business slows or the company needs to make cuts due to budgetary constraints.
It depend me on the department. These job cuts are so widespread and obviously not well thought of, particularly of the folks that maintain our nuclear arsenal. They cut a lot of them and then oops we need them back.
Now the Joint Chief of Staff is fired. The Chief of the Navy is now fired. Fired for what? Most likely to get yes people in like the Cosa Nostra I speak of all the time. This looks and is bad and needs to stop.
When Chump was president the last time, he increased the deficit more than any president in history. These cuts are not going to make a dent in the deficit, nor are these job cuts are going lower the inflation, that’s already going back up by the way. Or lower gas prices.
So you believe that a newly hired park ranger at Indiana Dunes National Park should be fired? Or Yellowstone National Park?
You are even opposed to cutting ignorant federal personnel?
Does no fed worker deserve to be fired in your view for anything - ignorance, corruption, etc?
I have survived MANY cuts over the years when percentage cuts were used. There are a lot of things from cuts, promised promotions lost, retirement lost and packages for retirements I could write about. Lawsuits since 2009 are still being addressed as a result of unequal picking of winners and losers as Obama topped off the hourly retirement and threw the salary retirement into PBGC even though it was sufficiently funded ( https://www.delphisalariedretirees.org/delphi/ ). Even to the point that my boss in NY would give me a package that others were getting but his boss in Detroit would not. He kept telling my boss to tell me that "I'm not getting a package and was needed on the electric car in Detroit." Knowing that and the many hours of DEI training (training is for dogs) forced on me as attempt to dumb me down, I just quit.
There are other stories many people in the public sector have experienced as well. Over two decades I worked with product moved inside a company to a new site...AND to another company. Much of that went to Mexico and then to China. No doubt there were jobs lost. I've been in factories (Goshen, In) on a Saturday or Sunday where the entire workforce was let go at 4:30 PM the Friday before and NONE of the workers knew this was coming. It was somewhat erie seeing family pictures, calendars, tools and clothing left behind like a fire drill where I just needed to ensure a tool got on a semi that day so production would not be stopped elsewhere.
There are going to be a lot of heartache and such from all that lose their job, but we cannot keep kicking the can down the road. We are at a point of no return and cuts MUST be made. The blob has way overgrown its purpose. The gap between industry hiring more due to product coming back into the states and being without a job is going to get a lot of media...but not enough media explanation of 1)why this must take place. 2) how the growth has happened...
Well that’s what’s happening. Most of these cuts across the the board from the FAA to the national parks, to the IRS, on and o seem to be probationary workers. Or some workers above the probationary status have been cut also. They realized the mistake of firing the nuclear arsenal folks and now scrambling to hire them back.
Back to Watters’ friend. He was a veteran working and now fired or on the verge of getting fired due to these cuts. Nobody should excited about this.
Just in last Thursday’s edition of the NW Indiana Times. A woman took a pay cut to work at the Dunes National Park Service was fired during her probationary period.
I worked in a place where layoffs were common. In 1983 the company came in and everyone in building three was let go. Vice presidents to the lower level was out on the street by 9:00 in the morning. It was a shock to all, but that happens in the private sector.
Seems like now federal employees are experiencing what we in the private sector have experienced throughout our work careers. It sucks, but there are no guarantees for employment no matter how good or loyal of employee you are.
Federal workers like the private sector are fired all the time for not doing their job correctly. That aint nothing new. But this widespread cuts is unheard of.
Now republican congressmen are being faced to answer tough questions about this by their constituents that voted for them and may be affected by these cuts.
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Actually, you are speaking out of ignorance. During my 28-year Army career I was assigned to four activities in which the workforce was majority civilian - Natick Soldier Center, Defense Supply Center Philadelphia, Defense Commissary Agency and US Army Medical Cmd - Europe. In each case, the workforce was bloated and could easily be reduced by 50% without affecting the mission. The meat ax is the only means of reduction that is workable.
When I first arrived at DSCP, a warrant officer who worked for me advised me to "carry paper." I didn't know what he meant at the time, but later understood. When you're tired of sitting at your desk doing nothing and decide to get up and go somewhere to goof off, carry some paperwork with you to make it look like you're working.
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So around 3 decades ago we had a statistical consultant group that taught courses and helped with various projects. They were very expensive…all college professors, publishers, costing millions. I spent a lot of time with them and when they left, I was recommended to take their place and teach the material. Today they have all passed. Two had Purdue backgrounds out of the 6 employed. I told them I would do it and when word reached my boss’s boss he pulled me into his office and asked if I was not happy with my current job and told him yes I was happy, but no different than any other and wanted to make more with a promotion. He said give me a couple of days and he got me a promotion during a time that promotions were not allowed and so I stayed. I picked up additional work (was a statistical resource for a few thousand working, had gage responsibilities for the site and managed a spreadsheet to ensure loading was sufficient as machines were being moved to Mexico which is another story.
I asked my boss if I did those two people’s work (they were a level above me with one retiring and the other being promoted ) if it would put me in a position for another promotion and he said he thought so. So I did that for a year, but he retired and his boss had moved on and I got a new boss from Milwaukee (probably due to a downsizing there) and so I thought …well there goes a shot at a promotion. After being there for a month, there was another reduction in personnel and figured I wouldn’t get a promotion since my boss was new and so when I went in with my conference, I was sure he would tell me I was ineligible at this time for a promotion. Instead, he told me I no longer had a job, because of a mandated reduction and I was spread over many departments and he HAD to keep those that were in tooling on upcoming programs that they had been on for several months to a year and so I was placed in a pool and if offered any job and never took it on any shift I would lose my employment.
Another person I had worked alongside decades before was starting a new global supplier quality dept said he couldn’t believe I was in the pool. He called me, and took me out to eat asking me to join his team…which I did ,which I stayed in until GM pulled me into their company for my last 12 years. Yeah, the blob has no idea what you and I have faced. BTW I was in Chrysler Test and Development prior to the Delco, Delphi …GM ending. I would never had stayed if I knew what would happen to my retirement… ☹
Wrong. Massive layoffs and downsizing take out competent private sector employees, as well as incompetent.
When an organization is spending more than it’s taking in, everyone’s heads are on the chopping block. This should have happened a long time ago.
The private sector usually puts careful thought into who should be laid off based on their whether they provide an essential role to the company and not just cut indiscriminately.
I was an active duty US Army officer for 28 years. The emphasis is to increase authorizations (employees) in order to make your position seem more important. Saying "We really don't have much work to do" is suicide.
Somewhat true. Many times it is a percent cut and good people in one area may be cut and less valuable people in other areas may not be cut...sorta a function of the bloat in each area and the outlook of those making decisions as to a short term or a long term...and many times mid management is immune. Bottom line after an initial cut the next cuts are cutting into good workers many times. I've been fortunate to have outlived hundred or thousands that were not so lucky. Now if there is just a single cut, then many times they can cut the low performer. I absolutely carried a guy for over fifteen years but he was no less qualified than some of the management that were very slow to understand. It happens...good guys get cut...bad guys get cut, but why were the bad guys not cut earlier? I've worked my whole life around college educated people, but that doesn't mean they are smart...
When I left Test &Development in Chrysler and entered Reliability Engineering inside Delco my boss and his boss liked my statistical background even though it was very minimal back then. My direct boss made it known that when you send out a report copy everyone that might have an interest and if a job opens up later that you are interested...they will have seen your name!
DJT has basically two years to finish what he didn't complete in his first four. He's going to drain the swamp and piss on the alligators to get it done this time. It's going to be fun to watch Demolibs soil themselves when things happen.
This is that Project 2025 bs that is now in place that Chump claimed he knew nothing about.
It's NOT cutting back the Federal workforce that is the problem. That is common -- but there's a competent way to do it.
Approximately 5% of the Federal workforce leaves by attrition annually (look it up). If those jobs plus the usual amount of incompetent fired workers aren't replaced, that's a sizeable reduction over four years.
It is wholesale, indiscriminate cutting back of the Federal workforce that is horrendous. And now those cutback decisions are being made by a private citizen billionaire who has created his own, new, paid Federal agency to parse out the cuts and make personnel decisions.
For instance, the new FBI Director has already created mass confusion by stating that the 'respond or get fired' email from Musk should be ignored. What message does that send to the workforce? He also said the FBI will be getting back to investigating murderers and rapists. A problem - those are not Federal crimes. What message does that send to the workforce that is dedicated to the criminal and national security issues that the locals CANNOT handle?
Approximately 5% of the Federal workforce leaves by attrition annually (look it up). If those jobs plus the usual amount of incompetent fired workers aren't replaced, that's a sizeable reduction over four years.
It is wholesale, indiscriminate cutting back of the Federal workforce that is horrendous. And now those cutback decisions are being made by a private citizen billionaire who has created his own, new, paid Federal agency to parse out the cuts and make personnel decisions.
For instance, the new FBI Director has already created mass confusion by stating that the 'respond or get fired' email from Musk should be ignored. What message does that send to the workforce? He also said the FBI will be getting back to investigating murderers and rapists. A problem - those are not Federal crimes. What message does that send to the workforce that is dedicated to the criminal and national security issues that the locals CANNOT handle?
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I worked in the federal government for 28 years. You don't know what you're talking about. It is bloated and vastly overstaffed. This includes the Department of Defense.
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My company recently did an across the board 10% headcount reduction. Very few people were safe.
Bullshit. Yes, in the private sector, people are let go for cause or performance. But, it’s very common for large layoffs to occur in response to economic conditions. This includes everyone from the top, tenured performers to new people and bottom performers.
My company recently did an across the board 10% headcount reduction. Very few people were safe.
100% true.
However, many in government forgo pay and private sector style opportunity for relative security of public sector jobs.
Good luck hiring quality people for public sector jobs.
So, are you saying people in public sector jobs shouldn’t be held to some level expectations of performance? Or, is just showing up good enough?
That’s probably why democrats are so prevalent in the public sector.
We have actual private sector people that have stated a percentage headcount reduction they were involved with and those in the public sector or big supporters of the public sector apparently don't believe it. This is why all this seems so foreign to them. They have been immune to this because business people have been shunned out of the political arena and replaced with people that have little real life experiences. I've even experienced "what did you do this week notes" as we are seeing being requested. I would much rather experience bloat in the private sector where I may have a choice to participate in the product or not than in the government where I have no choice
Of COURSE they should.
But indiscriminately dismissing entire categories of employees with zero input by the people that manage them is a terrible idea. Instead it’s being done per recommendation of new federal employees that don’t know the ones getting dismissed.
Companies eliminate entire departments all the time. Why should the private sector be any different?
If their job is seen as inefficient or can be consolidated, resulting in cost savings to the taxpayer, why shouldn’t it be?
Sure looks like it when he leaves out Zelinski in the peace talks. Then calls Zelinski a dictator. Then says the Zelinski started the Russian war even though Russia invaded Ukraine.
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