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[Chi-Boiler]

About the Flagg "foul", it wasn't "over the back". Flagg was going for the rebound, #13 for Houston was holding Flagg at the hips. Holding is not blocking out. When the whistle blew, #13 for Houston went straight to the Ref to plead his case because of it. Watch at 20:13

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Pleading his case happens 1000 times in a game, and the ref had already called the foul, so there's no effect there.

I agree that a foul should not have been called there. But Duke choked the game away anyway. One could argue that Flagg shouldn't have fought so hard for that rebound, risking a foul, in a one-point game.

 

[typeviic]

Pleading his case happens 1000 times in a game, and the ref had already called the foul, so there's no effect there.

I agree that a foul should not have been called there. But Duke choked the game away anyway. One could argue that Flagg shouldn't have fought so hard for that rebound, risking a foul, in a one-point game.

No, the Houston player (#13) was the one that went straight to the Ref and pleaded his case because he was holding and heard the whistle and knew he got caught, and thought the foul was on him. Then like magic, the foul was called on Flagg and he was so relieved.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

No, the Houston player (#13) was the one that went straight to the Ref and pleaded his case because he was holding and heard the whistle and knew he got caught, and thought the foul was on him. Then like magic, the foul was called on Flagg and he was so relieved.

Are you seriously saying that the ref was going to call the foul on Roberts until he complained and then changed it to Flagg?

 

[purduedavie]

1. make your FT's don't leave it in the refs hands.
2. ref was already making his call, pleading had nothing to do with anything. And everyone pleads their case.
3. even if we allow that it was a bad call, Duke is still 8,523 calls ahead in their favor the last 40 years so boohoo to them.
4. no love for Cellvin but it still makes me so happy to see duke lose.

Exactly, glad Houston beat them, it was beautiful!

 

[typeviic]

Are you seriously saying that the ref was going to call the foul on Roberts until he complained and then changed it to Flagg?

No, the Houston player (IMO) thought he was whistled because he was grabbing/holding on Flaggs shorts with both hands.
The way I see it is that Flagg made a basketball move by trying to rebound. The Houston player was not trying to rebound and instead, was grabbing/holding on Flaggs shorts with both hands, which is not a basketball move. Now, if grabbing/holding on Flaggs shorts with both hands is considered "blocking out" then I stand corrected.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

No, the Houston player (IMO) thought he was whistled because he was grabbing/holding on Flaggs shorts with both hands.
The way I see it is that Flagg made a basketball move by trying to rebound. The Houston player was not trying to rebound and instead, was grabbing/holding on Flaggs shorts with both hands, which is not a basketball move. Now, if grabbing/holding on Flaggs shorts with both hands is considered "blocking out" then I stand corrected.

But your overall point has been in this thread that the ref wasn't going to call the foul on Flagg until Roberts complained. Which is just flat-out ridiculous.

Secondly, I didn't see a grab or hold of the shorts. Robert's hand was on Flagg's thigh, yes. Grab, no. Again, we're watching different videos or we have different glasses on.

Thirdly, as I said before, I agree it should not have been a foul. But to think the ref changed the call based on Roberts complaining is silly.

 

[purduedavie]

But your overall point has been in this thread that the ref wasn't going to call the foul on Flagg until Roberts complained. Which is just flat-out ridiculous.

Secondly, I didn't see a grab or hold of the shorts. Robert's hand was on Flagg's thigh, yes. Grab, no. Again, we're watching different videos or we have different glasses on.

Thirdly, as I said before, I agree it should not have been a foul. But to think the ref changed the call based on Roberts complaining is silly.

The call was iffy, Duke blew that game all on their own though, I cannot believe that we have Purdue fans feeling sorry for Duke, that school has gotten more calls and has more advantage over any other school in the nation, too bad/so sad Duke!

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Flagg is the real deal tho. Absolutely sensational for a recently turned 18 year old. Impacts so much on both sides of the ball.

Yeah, he should be a Senior in HS this year.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

The call was iffy, Duke blew that game all on their own though, I cannot believe that we have Purdue fans feeling sorry for Duke, that school has gotten more calls and has more advantage over any other school in the nation, too bad/so sad Duke!

Maybe those PU fans aren't for Duke as much as they are against Samscum's team.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Yeah, he should be a Senior in HS this year.

And got screwed over by a bad call with a guy from Houston who will be 6 years older than him this year 😂

 

[typeviic]

But your overall point has been in this thread that the ref wasn't going to call the foul on Flagg until Roberts complained. Which is just flat-out ridiculous.

Secondly, I didn't see a grab or hold of the shorts. Robert's hand was on Flagg's thigh, yes. Grab, no. Again, we're watching different videos or we have different glasses on.

Thirdly, as I said before, I agree it should not have been a foul. But to think the ref changed the call based on Roberts complaining is silly.

"But your overall point has been in this thread that the ref wasn't going to call the foul on Flagg until Roberts complained. Which is just flat-out ridiculous."
If thats what you took from my observation, then thats on me. My bad.

Secondly, I didn't see a grab or hold of the shorts. Robert's hand was on Flagg's thigh, yes. Grab, no. Again, we're watching different videos or we have different glasses on.
We must have different glasses, because thats what I saw

But to think the ref changed the call based on Roberts complaining is silly.
No. I think if a foul was going to be called, it was the Houston guy grabbing Flagg's shorts.

Anyway, glad Dook lost

 

[typeviic]

The call was iffy, Duke blew that game all on their own though, I cannot believe that we have Purdue fans feeling sorry for Duke, that school has gotten more calls and has more advantage over any other school in the nation, too bad/so sad Duke!

I dont feel sorry for them, glad they lost. My criticism is about the Refs on the Flagg over the back call.

 

[purduedavie]

I dont feel sorry for them, glad they lost. My criticism is about the Refs on the Flagg over the back call.

It was a missed call, those happen, as was said by many, Duke played terrible down the stretch, that call didn’t cost them the game, Duke choked down the stretch.

 

[BoilerDeac]

About the Flagg "foul", it wasn't "over the back". Flagg was going for the rebound, #13 for Houston was holding Flagg at the hips. Holding is not blocking out. When the whistle blew, #13 for Houston went straight to the Ref to plead his case because of it. Watch at 20:13

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It was a bad call, but not why Duke lost.

That said, I really wish some of these calls could be quickly reviewed and overturned. It's a dang shame that a missed call like this happens in such an important spot.

 

[Boilermaker427]

Unpopular opinion, but I don’t feel bad for Mason at all. He had the chance to be a key factor in the Houston game, yet chose to leave for Duke. In fact, his misstep seemed to trigger Houston's entire rally (?)

I understand it gave our underclassmen more playing time, but still.

Ummmm.......I generally got the impression that Gillis and Morton got their 4 years, and Painter didn't really want them back. He was oversigned by one with the freshman already and them using the covid year would have wrecked havoc on our scholarship situation.

Are you really salty that he "left" for Duke? I think he was gently informed to seek something elsewhere.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

Ummmm.......I generally got the impression that Gillis and Morton got their 4 years, and Painter didn't really want them back. He was oversigned by one with the freshman already and them using the covid year would have wrecked havoc on our scholarship situation.

Are you really salty that he "left" for Duke? I think he was gently informed to seek something elsewhere.

Not exactly, from what we understand. What has been generally presumed or known here is that Painter went to each of the seniors at the beginning of the season regarding their desire to return for a 5th year. None of them did, so Painter went out and recruited to fill the slots.

Painter would have gladly taken them back.

 

[Boilermaker427]

Not exactly, from what we understand. What has been generally presumed or known here is that Painter went to each of the seniors at the beginning of the season regarding their desire to return for a 5th year. None of them did, so Painter went out and recruited to fill the slots.

Painter would have gladly taken them back.

Edey was NBA bound for sure.

Morton and Gillis's decisions are kind of confusing then. Maybe either didn't expect to want to play basketball for 5 years, and both got to the end and wanted one more year? Either way, I don't harbor any ill will for Mason or Morton. Morton likely wouldn't have a role on the team, and Mason would have been bench again

 

[Chi-Boiler]

Edey was NBA bound for sure.

Morton and Gillis's decisions are kind of confusing then. Maybe either didn't expect to want to play basketball for 5 years, and both got to the end and wanted one more year? Either way, I don't harbor any ill will for Mason or Morton. Morton likely wouldn't have a role on the team, and Mason would have been bench again

Maybe they looked at the options in April 2024 and it was either A) transfer and make some $, B) try to latch on in Europe, or C) get a real job. Option A seemed pretty good and I have to think it worked out for both of them to some degree.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Not exactly, from what we understand. What has been generally presumed or known here is that Painter went to each of the seniors at the beginning of the season regarding their desire to return for a 5th year. None of them did, so Painter went out and recruited to fill the slots.

Painter would have gladly taken them back.

Painter has confirmed this multiple times in his public comments - he wanted to know before he received commitments for such a large recruiting class. Naturally, it did not give them any option to return if they reconsidered/changed their mind during the season.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Edey was NBA bound for sure.

Morton and Gillis's decisions are kind of confusing then. Maybe either didn't expect to want to play basketball for 5 years, and both got to the end and wanted one more year? Either way, I don't harbor any ill will for Mason or Morton. Morton likely wouldn't have a role on the team, and Mason would have been bench again

Mason had been at Purdue for 5 years already and when him and Paint talked, he decided to test the portal (they both have said this in two separate podcast interviews). Paint wanted to make sure he and Ethan, hit the portal as spoken as possible so they could get the most NIL. Masons dream school was always Duke, so he had that opportunity.

However, painter did a few weeks ago that both changed their mind at the end of last season but paint had already recruited the freshman class based on their answers at the beginning of the season. We may not have got 2 of the Frosh (as one could figure out).

And I agree, Morton had no role and Mason, IMO and others disagree, would have been the same role off the bench.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

Edey was NBA bound for sure.

Morton and Gillis's decisions are kind of confusing then. Maybe either didn't expect to want to play basketball for 5 years, and both got to the end and wanted one more year? Either way, I don't harbor any ill will for Mason or Morton. Morton likely wouldn't have a role on the team, and Mason would have been bench again

Mason would have been a bigger factor this year vs last. Especially after DJ went down. In the paint toughness was a weakness. And even his shooting would have been more valuable when Myles and Cam were unable to connect.

 

[Boileratthebeach]

Mason had been at Purdue for 5 years already and when him and Paint talked, he decided to test the portal (they both have said this in two separate podcast interviews). Paint wanted to make sure he and Ethan, hit the portal as spoken as possible so they could get the most NIL. Masons dream school was always Duke, so he had that opportunity.

However, painter did a few weeks ago that both changed their mind at the end of last season but paint had already recruited the freshman class based on their answers at the beginning of the season. We may not have got 2 of the Frosh (as one could figure out).

And I agree, Morton had no role and Mason, IMO and others disagree, would have been the same role off the bench.

Wait. Both had a change of heart after the season? I don’t think I’ve heard that before?

 

[cjcollie]

Wait. Both had a change of heart after the season? I don’t think I’ve heard that before?

yep. Paint mentioned it in his interview w/ field of 68 (i believe) recently