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Doyel thinks C Edwards is going to be the new alpha on the team.

Been waiting for others to post a link to this but has not happened as of yet.

http://www.jconline.com/story/sport...edwards-fears-nothing-except-camel/531086001/

Not sure I agree with him as I think there are going to be several different alphas this season. What do you think?
I think he has the ability to be the go to guy but there are others for sure. There is another thread started that is OT about grit and personality traits and such. Check it out.

The thing we the fans don't have much insight of are the players trait or strengths. Are they leaders, are they shy, I am not taking any shit from anyone and so on. If he can walk the walk and talk to talk good for him.
 
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This year the leaders are V. Edwards, PJ and Dakota and Haas......

Boogie knows that and all the others know that.

Painter has always instilled in every player that they play for the seniors.

Boogie is a stud, he knows it, the team knows it and he will do what he has to to make this team win.

If it is being the leading scorer one night then so be it.....

This team will play like a team.......

Next year Boogie and Eastern will be looked upon to be a leaders.

The year Taylor, Ewing and Cline are seniors, I could see Boogie being more of a leader......

Future is bright.......
 
Doyel isn't talking about Carsen being the vocal leader of the team. He's saying that Carsen is going to be the one to take control and say, "Give me the ****ing ball!" when they need a bucket. He's confident and ultra-competitive.
 
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Doyel isn't talking about Carsen being the vocal leader of the team. He's saying that Carsen is going to be the one to take control and say, "Give me the ****ing ball!" when they need a bucket. He's confident and ultra-competitive.
If it is for the better of the team that game or whenever then ok I agree be an alpha and get him the ball.....but if it is a ego needing more sauce.....transfer now please.

Purdue has always been about the team not the individual.....

This year to be successful is when we have 5+ guys score double digits.....

If we rely on Boogie or Vincent or Haas individually we lose.....pass the ball and score within the offense..... that way everyone touches it and can score.

Sure called plays give it to the alphas...Vincent, Boogie, Haas, Dakota.......

Boiler Up.....ready to watch a team win not more sauce.
 
If it is for the better of the team that game or whenever then ok I agree be an alpha and get him the ball.....but if it is a ego needing more sauce.....transfer now please.

Purdue has always been about the team not the individual.....

This year to be successful is when we have 5+ guys score double digits.....

If we rely on Boogie or Vincent or Haas individually we lose.....pass the ball and score within the offense..... that way everyone touches it and can score.

Sure called plays give it to the alphas...Vincent, Boogie, Haas, Dakota.......

Boiler Up.....ready to watch a team win not more sauce.
Nota big deal. Just another idiot needing to fill space in the IUStar.
 
I am completely okay with that happening . He is a special talent waiting to happen

Honestly, I would rather have the ball in Mathias' hand first and Carsen's second. Mathias makes the better decisions and has a better ability to pass if needed in a pressure situation. I'd get the ball in Mathias' hand with Boogie on the wing for a pass that puts his defender in a situation of having to defend the arc or the drive off the Mathias pass if needed. Hopefully that made sense.
 
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On a side note. I saw a short clip on instagram of Eastern blowing by both Ryan and Carson for a dunk.

Eastern may end up being pretty special. Dude is big.
This. Same article stated Eastern was giving Carson some problems on the defensive end. I can't remember having anyone at point with his size. We have typically had shorter PGs save for the one year of the baptizer Octeus at 6-4.

However, if you listen to Painter on the Dakich show he has high expectations for CE. Basically said he will be one of the top players in the conference. Since JJ's senior year (and the second half at that) I can't remember when we had a true go to guy in times of clutch. Yes Biggie last year was the first option, but I think CE can become that clutch guy in the waning seconds of a game.
 
it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Do we work as a team? Does one guy take the lead and the others follow? Do the Seniors pass the ball to other seniors and ignore CE and Eastern? Does CE get selfish and create his own points?
I watched a very talented team play keep away from a very talented player. and that talented player kept asking for the ball, and the other players kept passing to somebody else. that team grossly underachieved, and that talented player left. His name was Kyle Macy. and the next team he played for gave him the ball, and he shot it through the hoops.

I hope history doesn't repeat itself.
 
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This team kinda reminds me of that FF Michigan team lead by Trey Burk. I feel like Carsen can be just like him and he has the team around him to do so.
 
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Honestly, I would rather have the ball in Mathias' hand first and Carsen's second. Mathias makes the better decisions and has a better ability to pass if needed in a pressure situation. I'd get the ball in Mathias' hand with Boogie on the wing for a pass that puts his defender in a situation of having to defend the arc or the drive off the Mathias pass if needed. Hopefully that made sense.
Yes. Your saying what Painter said in the interview buried in the article...he sees CE as a guy capable of playing some point but will more often be the 2 guard just like he used Etwaun Moore. The arrival of Nojel is going to mean this will stay the approach throughout CEs tenure.
 
Honestly, I would rather have the ball in Mathias' hand first and Carsen's second. Mathias makes the better decisions and has a better ability to pass if needed in a pressure situation. I'd get the ball in Mathias' hand with Boogie on the wing for a pass that puts his defender in a situation of having to defend the arc or the drive off the Mathias pass if needed. Hopefully that made sense.

Dont think you understand late game situations.. mathias is NOT a guy who can create his own shot with 10 sec to go and the defense dialed in. Carsen is
 
Dont think you understand late game situations.. mathias is NOT a guy who can create his own shot with 10 sec to go and the defense dialed in. Carsen is

I could definitely see CE on a dribble drive kicking out to Mathias or Cline among many possibilities. CMP also feels CE is a better passer when he looks to score. Edwards & Eastern back-court is going to be interesting, IMO.
 
I could care less whether we have one guy average 30 and 4 guys average 8 or 5 guys averaging 12.
If you have a stud player, you get him the ball and make him the priority. It's not about being selfish or playing 'team ball', it's about getting the ball in the hands of your best player and letting him decide to pass, shoot, whatever.
This isn't Little League, this is big boy basketball.
 
Dont think you understand late game situations.. mathias is NOT a guy who can create his own shot with 10 sec to go and the defense dialed in. Carsen is

I agree with this. No doubt the Midwestern Cowboy will be a very big piece of the puzzle. His ability to knock down threes gives Vincent, Isaac, and Jacquil room to work inside.

That said, with 10 seconds left, I would run the play through Carsen. A kick-out to Mathias or down to Haas would be ok, but I would make Carsen the first option.
 
This. Same article stated Eastern was giving Carson some problems on the defensive end. I can't remember having anyone at point with his size. We have typically had shorter PGs save for the one year of the baptizer Octeus at 6-4.

However, if you listen to Painter on the Dakich show he has high expectations for CE. Basically said he will be one of the top players in the conference. Since JJ's senior year (and the second half at that) I can't remember when we had a true go to guy in times of clutch. Yes Biggie last year was the first option, but I think CE can become that clutch guy in the waning seconds of a game.
Regarding the last paragraph: (Note this is not intended as a counterpoint, you just triggered a related thought) Biggie was great but... I prefer that "last shot to win it" guy to be a deep shooting AND drive the lane guy because it is inherently more difficult to defend that as the clock winds down. It just creates so many more options then a mid or high post feed to a power forward.
I think that can be Vincent or Carsen this season.
 
Yes. Your saying what Painter said in the interview buried in the article...he sees CE as a guy capable of playing some point but will more often be the 2 guard just like he used Etwaun Moore. The arrival of Nojel is going to mean this will stay the approach throughout CEs tenure.
Carsen needs to play the point if this team wants to go deep in the tourney. I'll be beating that drum all season. PJ is a great distributer & takes care of the ball, but he has many limitation and unless NE is great as a freshman, I don't see how anyone can argue that our best lineup is
5 = IH
4 = VE
3 = RC
2 = DM
1 = CE
 
Carsen needs to play the point if this team wants to go deep in the tourney. I'll be beating that drum all season. PJ is a great distributer & takes care of the ball, but he has many limitation and unless NE is great as a freshman, I don't see how anyone can argue that our best lineup is
5 = IH
4 = VE
3 = RC
2 = DM
1 = CE
That's certainly your opinion, and you are entitled to it.....even if it's wrong!

I think a tangible argument could be made that our offense and defense are better with PJ in the lineup and not Cline. And I think it's been demonstrated.
 
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Carsen needs to play the point if this team wants to go deep in the tourney. I'll be beating that drum all season. PJ is a great distributer & takes care of the ball, but he has many limitation and unless NE is great as a freshman, I don't see how anyone can argue that our best lineup is
5 = IH
4 = VE
3 = RC
2 = DM
1 = CE
This is the free board...anyone can argue anything!
I'll have to see how PJ and RC are playing before forming an opinion. Throw in the newcomers and all kinds of things could change.
 
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Carsen needs to play the point if this team wants to go deep in the tourney. I'll be beating that drum all season. PJ is a great distributer & takes care of the ball, but he has many limitation and unless NE is great as a freshman, I don't see how anyone can argue that our best lineup is
5 = IH
4 = VE
3 = RC
2 = DM
1 = CE

why should Cline start? His a liability on defense and a 1 trick wonder on offense (and sometimes, not that good at that trick).
I predict by the B10 season, line will be
IH
VE
Eastern
DM
CE
 
Why does the ball have to be in the hands of the shooter with 10 seconds left?


were that not a play run at the end of the half as compared to being run at the end of the game, do you think Painter still would have drawn it up that way?
I doubt it.
Either way, from here on out, in crunch time or when we need a bucket, I want the ball in CE's hands and letting him decide what to do.
 
why should Cline start? His a liability on defense and a 1 trick wonder on offense (and sometimes, not that good at that trick).
I predict by the B10 season, line will be
IH
VE
Eastern
DM
CE
Why should Eastern start? He has yet to play a game. No one knows if he will be good or not at this point. The same can be said for the rest of the new guys. I'm with holding judgement until they actually play a few games against decent opponents. There is no evidence available right now that suggests PJ won't/shouldn't start.
 
Why does the ball have to be in the hands of the shooter with 10 seconds left?


Its clear you still dont get what an actual playmaker shot creator is and why not every player can do it. Mathias is a good shooter.. even more reason carsen should have it 10 sec left.. mathias is not beating any defender 1 on 1 and getting to the rim and finishing.. I havent seen it once in 3 years. Carsen on the other hand can do so with ease meaning he gets to the rim causes a defender to choose to rotatae in which case he kicks to mathias or whoever is now open BECAUSE he beat his man or if no help comes he scores. Being a shot creator doesnt mean you only create your shot, it means you create the open spot up for others as well.

Carsen is that guy.. the only other player on our team that can do that is vince a little bit and maybe Nojel we will have to find out but Nojel has the skillset that carsen has
 
Its clear you still dont get what an actual playmaker shot creator is and why not every player can do it. Mathias is a good shooter.. even more reason carsen should have it 10 sec left.. mathias is not beating any defender 1 on 1 and getting to the rim and finishing.. I havent seen it once in 3 years. Carsen on the other hand can do so with ease meaning he gets to the rim causes a defender to choose to rotatae in which case he kicks to mathias or whoever is now open BECAUSE he beat his man or if no help comes he scores. Being a shot creator doesnt mean you only create your shot, it means you create the open spot up for others as well.

Carsen is that guy.. the only other player on our team that can do that is vince a little bit and maybe Nojel we will have to find out but Nojel has the skillset that carsen has
Yep, I'm the one who doesn't get it. You're right. There is only one way to generate offense at the end of a game.
 
Carsen needs to play the point if this team wants to go deep in the tourney. I'll be beating that drum all season. PJ is a great distributer & takes care of the ball, but he has many limitation and unless NE is great as a freshman, I don't see how anyone can argue that our best lineup is
5 = IH
4 = VE
3 = RC
2 = DM
1 = CE
Best lineup will likely be situational. End of clock situations are different than an average 30 second possession. There is a limited window when you are trying to get the shot off and the defense knows it. IMO motion isn't as effective in those situations. That's why you see every coach run the high ball screen in these situations. Enter the argument for having a guy like CE with the ball in his hands. However, on an average possession, the most effective lineup may be one that takes care of the ball and makes good decisions (PJ), particularly against teams with strong on ball defenders, guys who don't like to chase guys around for 20 seconds, and strong rim protectors. There is no reason this team cannot combine the best of both worlds.
 
Why should Eastern start? He has yet to play a game. No one knows if he will be good or not at this point. The same can be said for the rest of the new guys. I'm with holding judgement until they actually play a few games against decent opponents. There is no evidence available right now that suggests PJ won't/shouldn't start.


there is a lot of evidence. Eastern has played a lot of games. Just not for Purdue. Painter has seen him play both in AAU games against very tough competition and in practice. the phrase "no one knows" is a little premature to say. Painter knows.

And there is a lot of evidence as well on PJ - both good and bad. Painter knows both PJ's limitations and strengths.

it will be painter's call who starts and who doesn't. PJ will probably start initially. But if Eastern proves worthy, Painter will give him the opportunity regardless of what fans post.
 
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Yep, I'm the one who doesn't get it. You're right. There is only one way to generate offense at the end of a game.

I mean if you really think theres no difference between mathias having the ball at the top of the key with 6 seconds left compared to a type like carsen then ya, you dont get it

And thats not a knock on mathiad hes a very valuable player with his defense, passing, and outside shot.. but hes one of the last players on our entire team that should have the ball in a late game isolation situation
 
Carsen needs to play the point if this team wants to go deep in the tourney. I'll be beating that drum all season. PJ is a great distributer & takes care of the ball, but he has many limitation and unless NE is great as a freshman, I don't see how anyone can argue that our best lineup is
5 = IH
4 = VE
3 = RC
2 = DM
1 = CE

No way...no way does PJ get benched unless his play warrants him being benched. At no time in the last two years has that even remotely happened...hebhas essentially been one of the programs best at doing exactly what a PG should do in CMP's system (as it currently runs). Unless PJ gets injured or he starts turning the ball over, he won't be replaced. Everyone talks about his lack of his and that and you are simply looking at his height or apparent lack of athleticism. Very rarely does he put himself or his teammates in bad situations...especially on the defensive side.
 
Why should Eastern start? He has yet to play a game. No one knows if he will be good or not at this point. The same can be said for the rest of the new guys. I'm with holding judgement until they actually play a few games against decent opponents. There is no evidence available right now that suggests PJ won't/shouldn't start.
Well he did say by mid season so that implies knowing how they all are playing.
 
Dont think you understand late game situations.. mathias is NOT a guy who can create his own shot with 10 sec to go and the defense dialed in. Carsen is

Laughable and I think many on here would support my knowledge of the game through my posts.

I don't think I ever stated I expected Mathias to simply create his own shot. The video another poster referenced is what I am referencing. Through a set play, get the ball in DM's hands off a screen or other movement. From there, Mathias has the ability to knock down a shot (which he has a history of doing in different situations) or find another player like CE. Generally speaking, a team will overplay that first option hoping a team will make a mistake. Mathias rarely does that and CMP has stated himself Mathias makes great passes and decisions. CE could easily then 'create' that shot as the second option in a late game set when a team has possibly overcommitted to stopping option 1 (Mathias) to use his skills best.
 
I mean if you really think theres no difference between mathias having the ball at the top of the key with 6 seconds left compared to a type like carsen then ya, you dont get it

And thats not a knock on mathiad hes a very valuable player with his defense, passing, and outside shot.. but hes one of the last players on our entire team that should have the ball in a late game isolation situation
Why would I give it to him at the top of the key with 6 seconds left when I can run him off a double screen for an open shot and if the secondary screener jumps him, I have the 4 or 5 roll to the goal?
 
Carsen needs to play the point if this team wants to go deep in the tourney. I'll be beating that drum all season. PJ is a great distributer & takes care of the ball, but he has many limitation and unless NE is great as a freshman, I don't see how anyone can argue that our best lineup is
5 = IH
4 = VE
3 = RC
2 = DM
1 = CE

Yes, but. We want a consistent, good distributor at point. In the motion offense it won't matter much anyways...
 
there is a lot of evidence. Eastern has played a lot of games. Just not for Purdue. Painter has seen him play both in AAU games against very tough competition and in practice. the phrase "no one knows" is a little premature to say. Painter knows.

And there is a lot of evidence as well on PJ - both good and bad. Painter knows both PJ's limitations and strengths.

it will be painter's call who starts and who doesn't. PJ will probably start initially. But if Eastern proves worthy, Painter will give him the opportunity regardless of what fans post.
Obviously it's Painter's call. Obviously if Eastern outplays PJ then he should start. The point is Eastern hasn't proven anything yet on the court at the collegiate level. PJ will be the day one starter. It's too early to determine if Eastern will be good enough to take his place. He could be Anthony Johnson or Ronnie Johnson for all we know right now. He could be the next E'twaun Moore. It's too early to judge any of the newcomers.
 
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