Man I hope that's true. They could do so much better than him.
Doug Gottlieb says Steve Allford to IU is done
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Personally, I'll say this New Pal....Alford would land most of the Indiana kids that he wants, he'll have the support of more of the fan base than either of the past three losers...four losers if you include Dakich...and he'll make IU relevant again. He's a very solid coach and if you look at his record, you'll see that. I think he's exactly what IU needs and he should have been the hire when Knight left.
And he'll certainly not be the fool on the sideline that IU has had since RMK left.
My guess....He'll be at UCLA next year and the next year and the next.
My prediction is that the fan base will get behind whoever the next coach is until they get disappointed. Then they will turn on him.
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Alfords got a big ego and deep down you know he's still bent about UCLA forcing him to give back that money last year.
Until he recruits against Izzo and Matta and the like and they remind parents he is a rape enabler who never has won a d@mn thing aside from a few Sweet 16s. UCLA owns California. Now he will have recruiting competition.
Alford is a very average coach. Fran has a higher winning percentage in the B1G than Alford over about the same number of seasons. That is all the proof you need.
Anyone can win big with guys like Lonzo Ball. But pre-Ball, UCLA was on the verge of firing Alford. Alford is not a bad coach, but IU could do way better in my opinion.
Anyone can win big with guys like Lonzo Ball. But pre-Ball, UCLA was on the verge of firing Alford. Alford is not a bad coach, but IU could do way better in my opinion.
Never been past the s16 and they are ready for him to leave Westwood. He's been in the B1G and it wasn't pretty. I hope they do hire him. They will soon realize they are getting Steve the coach, not Steve the player.
As a Spartan alum, I'm actively rooting for Alford to get the job. Of all the candidates mentioned so far, he would be the least threatening to the rest of the conference powers. IMHO
He is the most divisive candidate out there. I've seen at least 3 polls, all of which have at least 75%opposed to Alford. He not only has a mediocre coaching record, he also has character issues.
They can? They were going to be in for a rude awakening, and I'm certain that became apparent quickly behind closed doors. It is virtually unheard of at this point for high major coaches to leave places if they aren't about to get fired --- looking for a soft landing. Or they have some odd, extenuating circumstance that makes where they are untenable (like Buzz Williams despising his AD) Its pretty much a unicorn at this point.
High major coaches who move around look like Cuonzo Martin, Kevin Stallings, or Josh Pastner getting out of town before the posse gets too hot on their heels. I was frankly shocked that Crean allowed himself to get fired, he was a textbook case of one of these things
In this particular case, it was going to be extra hard because they just fired a guy who recently won two league titles and played in multiple second weekends -- not to mention, the job has proven to be a coach killer since Knight (and arguably Knight himself)
It wouldn't take too many quiet No's to start changing your perspective if you are the people being paid to get the hire done. On paper, IU hiring a likely Final Four participant / alum looks good for future contracts, regardless of the reality.
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No he now "found Jesus" and wears a cross in public. He is a completely changed man.
Of course they can....any of these people would likely take the job: Donovan, Archie Miller, Collins, Mack, Holtmann. All of whom would be better than Alford.
Mack, Stevens, Collins & Donovan would scare me.
Alford, Fife, Miller would not. Holtmann... I'm just not sure about.
Donovan. That's the dumbest one floated yet.
Collins will be Dukes next head coach if I was a betting man.
Miller and Mack are to options that may listen.
Holtmann you don't want to wait a few years more,
Miller might, but I seriously doubt it. He knows that OSU is going to come open at some point in the near future and hes going to be quite comfortable making his 2mm a year a going to the Tournament at Dayton until then. Until then? Nah
Its almost like people don't realize how much money these guys make. Chris Mack makes 2.5mm per year in what amounts to a lifetime deal at his alma mater going to the Tournament every year, mostly as a high seed (in a league that's, frankly, been better). There is absolutely no basketball reason to go from Xavier to Indiana - you are afforded precisely no more chance to do anything. Its ALL downside -- which is what you have to weigh the extra money against. (which is why the No's come -- the increment isn't substantial enough)
CH makes something just short of that 2mm presently but will have a deal just like Mack with his inevitable extension. It's fantasy land. Read this Tweet from Brian Snow (who is essentially a Peegs guy at this point)
Its almost like people don't realize how much money these guys make. Chris Mack makes 2.5mm per year in what amounts to a lifetime deal at his alma mater going to the Tournament every year, mostly as a high seed (in a league that's, frankly, been better). There is absolutely no basketball reason to go from Xavier to Indiana - you are afforded precisely no more chance to do anything. Its ALL downside -- which is what you have to weigh the extra money against. (which is why the No's come -- the increment isn't substantial enough)
CH makes something just short of that 2mm presently but will have a deal just like Mack with his inevitable extension. It's fantasy land. Read this Tweet from Brian Snow (who is essentially a Peegs guy at this point)
@BSnowScout It genuinely amazes me that people have yet to figure out it is really, difficult to get coaches to leave really comfortable situations
Who exactly do you think he's talking to? Does the fact someone like NC State QUICKLY arrived at UNCW's Keatts (after quietly being turned down by the usual suspects) just get lost in the filter somehow? There is a new reality, that's been in place for quite a few years -- hiring coaches is VERY hard (which is why you should probably build a program that actually produces them)
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Therein lies the problem with their fan base. Though all schools have some, the IU base is abound with those that will become "disappointed" (read, lynch mob) if no FF appearance in the first 3-4 years. I don't fault them for high expectations, but that is a lot of pressure (of course it comes with a big paycheck). Coaching candidates surely consider this and I'd bet the many noes IU has received from coaching offers since Knight has squarely to do with this darker side of rabid fan support.
Maybe you don't follow national news much? Both PTI and Outside the Line talked about Donovan to IU yesterday. I think it's doubtful myself, but national sports journalists are discussing it. Duke job isn't open. Capel is considered the favorite.
There have been zero "noes" yet, because there have been zero offers.
You really think IU can't pay for who they want? Facilities, fan base, recruiting, and $ are all reasons that Mack absolutely will listen to IU. For the record, GLass was at the Arizona Xavier game last night.
Probably not. Assuming UCLA gets a decent guy coming in. He likes the idea of playing in California.
IMHO alford's record at Iowa, New Mexico, and all but this year at UCLA indicates a good not great coach. He will get an initial recruiting bump then it will level out. Others would scare me more.
Cal just had to hire an assistant with no coaching experience because all of their targets declined the overtures.
Coaching searches, or for that matter, the entire concept of a "Coaching Carousel" is media fantasy.
You can take it to the bank if IU doesn't end up hiring Alford (they probably will), the resulting person is going to seem a little random.
Just how it is.
Coaching searches, or for that matter, the entire concept of a "Coaching Carousel" is media fantasy.
You can take it to the bank if IU doesn't end up hiring Alford (they probably will), the resulting person is going to seem a little random.
Just how it is.
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Yes, I think I just said that. But for purely the Schadenfreude, I hope you are right and they actually go public with a litany of guys like Mack. I few years ago, Twitter was mostly about making fun of NC State for being hiring morons. It's no surprise that this time around they went quietly to their water level.
If you don't think Chris Mac, Chris Collins, Chris Holtzman, or Archie Miller will accept $6 million from IU per year, you are insane.
I don't think UCLA forced anything. Alford learned that move from Knight when Knight was at Texas Tech.
Be wary of hiring alumni as coaches. You tend to get stuck with them.
Not mentioning any names, but
The problem is that IU fans think IU can afford six million a year but they are constantly in the red. Unless of course they raise the student activity fee higher than it is now.
Not to be outdone by Cal, Oklahoma State is the latest to get smacked in the face with reality. After muted interest (besides, ironically Gottlieb) they just elevated assistant Mike Boynton Jr.
No one is interested in taking on the issues inherent to rebuilding if they already secure. Its a losing sell, that not surprisingly just keeps on losing
#fantasyland
No one is interested in taking on the issues inherent to rebuilding if they already secure. Its a losing sell, that not surprisingly just keeps on losing
#fantasyland
None of these schools you mentioned receive $50 million in TV money every year.
