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Does Swanigan leave for the NBA?

Oct 7, 2006
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Swanigan has (obviously) had a phenomenal season, but none of the mock draft I've seen (from the so-called experts) have him higher than the mid-second round. Ignoring for a moment whether these projections are correct, assuming he is projected as a second round pick, does he leave, or does he come back?

Put another way, how high would he have to be projected to go in order to leave early?
 
I can only judge by what they were saying last year and last year they seemed willing to go even if they thought they would get drafted in the 2nd round. So I think he's gone with the season he's had. With different players I think perhaps there would be an outside chance they see the entire team coming back and a chance to be an elite team next year but I don't see that being a consideration for Swanigan. If you're having a NPOTY type of season then your game is good enough to warrant it. There are some areas he could touch up on with another year but he can touch up on those in the pros too and get paid to do it. No reason for him to risk coming back with all the good publicity he's earned for himself this year. On an individual level, the best he could hope for is slight improvement.
 
Swanigan has (obviously) had a phenomenal season, but none of the mock draft I've seen (from the so-called experts) have him higher than the mid-second round

Just about every mock draft I've checked has shown a steady rise for Caleb all season, from not appearing at all to where he's in the first round in most. CBS Sports' latest mock draft had him going at #20 in the 1st round.

He's gone
 
On what would he improve? He's leaving for the NBA or some other pro league.

A few small things like ballhandling and turnovers he could get better at. But those are things he can improve while drawing a paycheck too. All in all if you're a top candidate for NPOTY, there's greater risk of you having a worse year coming back than the benefits from whatever incremental improvements you can make.
 
Where is the huge money involved? For some reason I recall not all 1st rounders getting the huge paycheck, but rather just the top 10-15 (or whatever). If he goes late 1st round does he get a lot less money than guys in the top half of the 1st round?
 
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Where is the huge money involved? For some reason I recall not all 1st rounders getting the huge paycheck, but rather just the top 10-15 (or whatever). If he goes late 1st round does he get a lot less money than guys in the top half of the 1st round?
No first rounders get a huge paycheck. Last one to get a huge paycheck was the Big Dog. Greg Oden has a bit of money but not that much.
 
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So anything in the 1st round is at least 3 million guaranteed.
Unless I am reading it wrong, the 30th 1st round pick makes less than $2M total in his first two years (3rd year is an option, though there is a +/-% around the base pays). ~$2M is certainly not chump change but much less than the $10M+ the first pick makes his first two years.
 
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Here is pay scale for NBA as of this year.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale

Looks like it was filtered to 2016-2017 rookie scale. You can filter to 17-18 which is the upcoming rookie class. Pick 30 gets about 2.5m in 1st 2 years with an option for 1.6 more in year 3, so it's a pretty big increase over 16-17.

Either way, Biggie is definitely gone, and good for him. Hopefully he gives Purdue a departing gift of a final 4 or championship before he declares!
 
Unless I am reading it wrong, the 30th 1st round pick makes less than $2M total in his first two years (3rd year is an option, though there is a +/-% around the base pays). ~$2M is certainly not chump change but much less than the $10M+ the first pick makes his first two years.

Yea if 3rd year isn't guaranteed that's significant to the overall contract but I think the line of thinking is the same whether it is 2 or 3 million guaranteed. If you're in line for that pay day then there are only rare instances where it may make sense not to go.
 
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Watching the Penn State game seemed to show that long athletic players give him problems. And that is what the NBA is full of. Over the back or not ,length and athletic guys will out jump him. As raw as Penn States bigs were , they really were a step quicker than Biggie. Even with that being said, he is gone. No reason to pass up money. He will be drafted as he has no character issues and could make a niche for himself.
 
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I did. Anything he could improve on he can do either in the pros or on his own. He can shoot, rebound and pass. He isn't going to get springs or quickness playing one more year in college.

I think there's plenty of things he can improve on in a year. Look at how much he's changed in one year going from his freshman to sophomore year.

I'll say it again, I think he's a lot like Glenn Robinson. Glenn was a real good player his sophomore year, but his junior year - he was basically unstoppable and it led to him being a lottery pick (obviously more than just that). I think Swanigan has that same potential that he won't be at this year.

In addition, Swanigan has been a big player for us no doubt and his overall style is not a lot of flash, but he hasn't really had a lot of "game-changing" plays. I think that's a bit overhyped quality, but having the game winning play against Villanova, etc. are qualities of those 'elite' players. He's not quite at that level. He still has plenty of opportunity this season - but there's threads about how he shouldn't be given last shots of games right. How you perform in the spotlight matters when it comes to being a 'star'. (and yes, he's a very good player and one of the best - I'm just saying I think he has the ability to take that next step still to the Glenn Robinsons, Blake Griffin, etc. types of elite).

With all of this being said I am NOT arguing about whether he's leaving or not OR whether he should - whatever happens happens, but just pointing it out. We certainly aren't in the mid-90s anymore.
 
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I think there's plenty of things he can improve on in a year. Look at how much he's changed in one year going from his freshman to sophomore year.

I'll say it again, I think he's a lot like Glenn Robinson. Glenn was a real good player his sophomore year, but his junior year - he was basically unstoppable and it led to him being a lottery pick (obviously more than just that). I think Swanigan has that same potential that he won't be at this year.

In addition, Swanigan has been a big player for us no doubt and his overall style is not a lot of flash, but he hasn't really had a lot of "game-changing" plays. I think that's a bit overhyped quality, but having the game winning play against Villanova, etc. are qualities of those 'elite' players. He's not quite at that level. He still has plenty of opportunity this season - but there's threads about how he shouldn't be given last shots of games right. How you perform in the spotlight matters when it comes to being a 'star'. (and yes, he's a very good player and one of the best - I'm just saying I think he has the ability to take that next step still to the Glenn Robinsons, Blake Griffin, etc. types of elite).

With all of this being said I am NOT arguing about whether he's leaving or not OR whether he should - whatever happens happens, but just pointing it out. We certainly aren't in the mid-90s anymore.
I agree he needs to improve on some things but he's not going to be Glenn or Griffen. He can be a serviceable pro who lasts a long time but he is not and will never be that type of athlete. BTW Glenn might have stayed except it was the last year before the new salary rules went into effect. 84 Million was way too much to turn down.
 
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I did. Anything he could improve on he can do either in the pros or on his own. He can shoot, rebound and pass. He isn't going to get springs or quickness playing one more year in college.
He's going to be a year older, better prepared and make better decisions with the ball... He's really only a freshman age-wise. He may not even be done growing.
 
He was dead set on going last year. Said he'd be willing to play in the D-league if he thought he would be drafted, even in the second round. He believes he will continue to develop at the higher level against better competition and work himself into a rotation. He will absolutely get drafted and in his mind I think it's irrelevant whether we're talking first or second round.

How much do you think his draft stock would really improve coming back for another year? They told him to go get a jump shot, he went and got a jump shot. They said he needs to be able to defend the perimeter, he's made strides there. At the end of the day though, he is who he is. He is getting about as much national exposure as he can get now and averaging a turnover less per game isn't going to change that. Next year's draft will still be loaded with young athletes from Duke and Kentucky, but Caleb would be a year older. That's the only difference. There's no reason he doesn't go this year.

On another note, If you're around Lafayette and can get tickets please go and watch him one last time in Mackey against Indiana. I know people are critical of him for some decisions, turnovers, bad shots etc, but he could have gone almost anywhere and he chose to stay home. We've all heard his story a hundred times so I think we get numb to it, but what he's been able to overcome to get where he is is absolutely incredible. His hard work and leadership set the standard for everyone else and have brought us along to a top 15 ranking nationally and he's put us in the driver's seat to bring home another big ten title. I, like a lot of you haven't missed a game in years and have so much pride in our basketball program. He has made us relevant in ways that we haven't been since the baby boilers. I am so grateful that he chose to spend his college years here with us instead of going to some NBA prep factory. I'll be proud to watch him at the next level no matter where that takes him, and I wish him the absolute best.
 
He was dead set on going last year. Said he'd be willing to play in the D-league if he thought he would be drafted, even in the second round. He believes he will continue to develop at the higher level against better competition and work himself into a rotation. He will absolutely get drafted and in his mind I think it's irrelevant whether we're talking first or second round.

How much do you think his draft stock would really improve coming back for another year? They told him to go get a jump shot, he went and got a jump shot. They said he needs to be able to defend the perimeter, he's made strides there. At the end of the day though, he is who he is. He is getting about as much national exposure as he can get now and averaging a turnover less per game isn't going to change that. Next year's draft will still be loaded with young athletes from Duke and Kentucky, but Caleb would be a year older. That's the only difference. There's no reason he doesn't go this year.

On another note, If you're around Lafayette and can get tickets please go and watch him one last time in Mackey against Indiana. I know people are critical of him for some decisions, turnovers, bad shots etc, but he could have gone almost anywhere and he chose to stay home. We've all heard his story a hundred times so I think we get numb to it, but what he's been able to overcome to get where he is is absolutely incredible. His hard work and leadership set the standard for everyone else and have brought us along to a top 15 ranking nationally and he's put us in the driver's seat to bring home another big ten title. I, like a lot of you haven't missed a game in years and have so much pride in our basketball program. He has made us relevant in ways that we haven't been since the baby boilers. I am so grateful that he chose to spend his college years here with us instead of going to some NBA prep factory. I'll be proud to watch him at the next level no matter where that takes him, and I wish him the absolute best.
He'd be top pick in the draft with one more year.
 
He'd be top pick in the draft with one more year.

He wouldn't be. More than likely the top 5 picks of next year's draft are playing in high school gyms right now. Blue collar guys who play below the rim absolutely have a place in the league, but they don't get drafted in the lottery. I think he'll be a solid player in the league, but his draft stock wouldn't change that dramatically.
 
He gone. He's a top 15 pick in my opinion.

He would be a freshman this year if he didn't already reclassify. Dominating the NCAAs at 19 years old.
 
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Only scenario I see him returning to Purdue next year is that we reach the Final Four or the Elite Eight, and then lose to someone by a small margin. That might prompt him to return one more year to go all the way. I know it is not likely (not the going-so-far part, but the part about Biggie actually staying), but wouldn't it be scary? We'd be returning everyone but Spike. I think we'd still be ranked without him, but with Biggie we would be a bona-fide championship contender.
 
I would think that he could get even better with another year! I am not sure how much higher he would go in the draft maybe from 15th to 10th. If he did come back, we could have a dynasty on our hands! If he is a projected solid first rounder, I don't think there is a very good chance he stays! So, we just need to win the National Championship this year so he can be completely happy with his decision!
 
Where is the huge money involved? For some reason I recall not all 1st rounders getting the huge paycheck, but rather just the top 10-15 (or whatever). If he goes late 1st round does he get a lot less money than guys in the top half of the 1st round?
Any pro league he signs with will pay him more to play basketball than a Purdue degree would in year one.
 
I would think that he could get even better with another year! I am not sure how much higher he would go in the draft maybe from 15th to 10th. If he did come back, we could have a dynasty on our hands! If he is a projected solid first rounder, I don't think there is a very good chance he stays! So, we just need to win the National Championship this year so he can be completely happy with his decision!
He's currently projected late first round. See Blake Griffin.... similar skill set... #1 overall pick
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/
 
He's currently projected late first round. See Blake Griffin.... similar skill set... #1 overall pick
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

C'mon 4. Yeah, they can both rebound and pile up double-doubles. How they do it is another story.

A grizzly and a mountain lion are both animals you don't want to mess with too....but that's about where the similarity ends.
 
C'mon 4. Yeah, they can both rebound and pile up double-doubles. How they do it is another story.

A grizzly and a mountain lion are both animals you don't want to mess with too....but that's about where the similarity ends.
I know Blake is more athletic & different style. I don't ever expect to see Biggie jumping cars...but they both pile up double/doubles.... and I still thing CS's body & ability will continue to change. The kid is only 19. Look at the transformation he's made over the last 5 years. He's changed dramatically from 1 year to the next. And no one will ever convince me he won't be a better draft pick a year from now than he is now... barring injury.
 
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