Jacobson will be back stronger , Burgess will be better. The freshman guards will be fine , the sophomores will be great and our juniors will be great leaders. Unfortunately we lost our rim protector to a broken leg so that hurts . We have experienced injuries before and it sucks but part of the game. No time to panic and change everything. We are what everyone else in the Big 10 wants to be
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Wait, are you telling me that people don't want to wear clown pants?
Why do you believe that? There's a lot of room for upgrade in our backcourt. Other than Smith, we don't have ballhandlers and good physical defense shuts guys down.
Jacobson is not going to solve the problem this team has which is an inability to handle tough, physical man D and keeping the other team off the offensive glass. . All 3 teams that beat us played this way. We'll see it again vs Auburn.
Smith is the only one who can get loose but even he struggles because he's undersized.
So you've written off both Cox and Harris? Seems a bit premature.
eh thats just lenny. He also wrote off Painter ever making it to a FF.
It makes sense, but if you don't recruit freshmen and the player paid to come to Purdue don't perform as expected then it will always be that Matt should have taken this player instead. Also, because we see a person in a different system doesn't mean it will be replicated at Purdue. The high school freshmen becomes a sophomore the next year and the transfer may be out the door the next year. As you alluded there is no 100% fix in play, but fans will always give too much credit to a coach when the team wins and too much blame when he doesn't. I do think a single transfer...maybe two at the most could make sense, but there is no guarantee unless paying millions they work out and even then they may not have the heart.
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CMP I believe prefers to " grow" his teams from the ground up foundation stuff it's proved to work over and over Edey being the most recent example , he seems to bring in portal guys as icing on the i.e. Lance Jones did he change things just at the right time. I don't think we make the FF without him. So CMP is once again putting in a group that has the core of staying vs 1 and done. That is the secret of team building IMHO. This is a transition year , DJ getting hurt was a big deal as he needed this time. So a portal athletic guard and some meaness under the basket wouldn't hurt next year. But I never got paid the big bucks for cbb so there's my less than 2 cents . Team building vs buying players in the portal. CMP is old school but it's gotten him quite a good history over the years.
I get what you are saying, but they still are freshmen and there almost always is a learning curve with freshmen. No approach is perfect and Painter’s approach does not involve many quick fixes. There will be rebuilding years. That’s ok. Compare Purdue’s overall success in the last decade to the rest of the Big Ten and you can see that Purdue is far more consistent than the programs with a lot of roster turnover. I would say that IU fans have their own set of complaints.
I think going into the portal is situational for us.
1. 4/5 Hybrid big - need someone proven who can push Jacobsen and Burgess in practice and be reliable.
2. 1/2 Combo guard - we need a guy who can release pressure and get a bucket like Lance did.
Both need to be guys with 1 year eligibility left - IMO. They carry the lowest amount of risk to disrupt our lineup and cohesion on the team.
For 2 - I honestly think Painter has to find more options to get Cox and Smith playing together. Cox has shown more ability to score and make things happen on both sides of the ball. If you can build him up - he can be that guy next year.
1. 4/5 Hybrid big - need someone proven who can push Jacobsen and Burgess in practice and be reliable.
2. 1/2 Combo guard - we need a guy who can release pressure and get a bucket like Lance did.
Both need to be guys with 1 year eligibility left - IMO. They carry the lowest amount of risk to disrupt our lineup and cohesion on the team.
For 2 - I honestly think Painter has to find more options to get Cox and Smith playing together. Cox has shown more ability to score and make things happen on both sides of the ball. If you can build him up - he can be that guy next year.
I 100% agree with this, 1-2 guys brought in doesn’t mean Purdue is selling out to the portal, in my opinion it’s needed to compete for a trip to the Final 4 next year.
Thanks - it isn't a knock against anyone on the current roster or incoming guys, it is insurance.
We need to find a guy or 2 who wants to be part of a tourney run more than NIL money. That is what made Lance special - he wasn't about getting paid - he wanted tourney success and winning.
Well insurance -- isn't the right term as one usually doesn't need insurance & rarely it's used lol.
But you laid out the actual needs perfectly above which we must have to combine synergistically with our current bunch or there will be no possible FF shot.
Ok Mr Technocrat..... 😂
It was the best analogy I could come up with this morning....cut me some slack, it's almost Christmas....the season of perpetual hope.
Unless Brad Wesley is around.....
Painter has shown he will explore options if he thinks it will improve the team and not jeopardize the long-term. See what he does come the Spring.
Thank you. But some ppl here just think tons of guys who are 6’7-6’10 who are athletic and can score at will/shoot 3s from a mid major/p4 (who didn’t start) will come to Purdue to be the 4-6th option and also be cool to get paid less than elsewhere are all growing on trees.
I disagree with this notion that bringing in portal guys is going to disrupt team cohesion or moral. I think people say this because it makes them feel good about Painters lack of portal use as justification.
This team has holes in it's starting 5. The portal could have filled those holes. Those same holes will exist next year unless Painter gets 2-3 from the portal.
Why would a guy need to be the 4-6 option? Why not bring a guy in who can be the #1 option? If you're going to use the portal and NIL, use it to improve over what you've got.
As I said originally, I support whatever approach CMP chooses. In my mind he has earned that trust from this fanbase.
That said, when the freshmen aren't ready to perform and you don't have anyone else on the roster ready, then there are legitimate questions that come up. He chose not to go into the portal, fine. But that means he thought these freshmen gave us a better chance than anyone he could get in the portal. That may very well be true, but you can't use the excuse "they are freshmen, what do you expect". That is an argument you could always use "pre portal". But now that there is a resource that is legal to get more experienced players immediately, you can't use that any longer. Either your young players are ready, or you get more experienced ones from the portal.
I don't believe anyone (I'm certainly not) says that going to the portal is any guarantee of success. There are no guarantees or else we could all make millions coaching! But going into the portal for sure gives you a chance to get someone that has already proven they can do what you need at the D1 level. Unlike a freshmen right out of HS.
Cuz Paint hasn’t done that. Maybe he can goin forward but as TJReese has said in another post, Purdue runs a TON of sets and it’s sometimes tough to pick up right away. Paint typically focuses the offense around 1-3 guys and he seems set on the big 3 we have right now…so if that holds true, that’s why I continue to say 4-6th option.
Agree completely that there is no guarantee. If there were, everyone on here could get rich coaching!
My point in this thread was addressing those that were saying "they are just freshmen" or "you can't expect that much from them, they are young". Those are things that could be said before the portal. Not now.
Agreed with what you are saying. However, if he does hit the portal then we don’t get 1-2 or maybe even 3 of the Frosh since we were maxed out in scholarships (upcoming year expands from 13-15). So it’s a trade off, right? Paint may have thought DJ/Berg would be fine at the 5 and DJ very well could have been but injuries happen. It looks to have been a bit of a “gamble” on painters side and unfortunately, an injury happened and put us in a tough spot and so far, it does not look like the other 5s can provide the support we need to be fully successful (hopefully one breaks away or all 3 together for what we need).
I agree with the portal needs this off season.
I am also glad CMP recruited and landed Cox who you might give up for a portal guy. But hopefully long term it works out having him next year.
Well, there's no time like the future to do something different. Painter may not like the portal and what it stands for, or it goes against his philosophy of developing players, but it's an easy way to get instant impact players who can help now, not in 2-3 years. Teams can be built for FF runs, and Purdue might be that kind of team next year, but he's got to fill in a couple of missing pieces.
Agree completely that it's a tradeoff and one each coach will have to weigh every end of season. It's a different game then it was just a few years ago.
I'm glad we have CMP and I trust that he will make the right decisions most of the time. But I think it's also fair to point out when his decisions don't work out. If I was a betting man, I'd say we have 2 portal players added next year.
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