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...has someone lined up to replace Painter in case we lose tomorrow?

I wonder if Izzo or Coach K will be available after their March losses???

You think we could put up Counzo's buyout and free him from Mizzou?

I am start to warm up to the fire painter point of view, it just makes sense. You lose in March, you get fired.

Plus he doesn't ever play zone?!? WTF doesn't play zone these days???
 
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slidde01 said:
...has someone lined up to replace Painter in case we lose tomorrow?

I wonder if Izzo or Coach K will be available after their March losses???

You think we could put up Counzo's buyout and free him from Mizzou?

I am start to warm up to the fire painter point of view, it just makes sense. You lose in March, you get fired.

Plus he doesn't ever play zone?!? WTF doesn't play zone these days???
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Sure hope Painter wins tomorrow. If so, it will be his first Elite 8 in 12 years on the job. Since this is the best team we've had since the Baby Boilers and likely for the foreseeable future (unless Biggie stays or another top 20 type joins us, both of which seem unlikely) this is definitely the year to do it.

If not, I would think more people will see/think S16 and the occasional B1G championship is his ceiling. Some are good with that, others are not. Should be a fun game and I am rooting for CMP and Purdue to burst through that ceiling. If so, we have a solid shot at our first final four in almost 40 years.
 
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cprh9u said:
Sure hope Painter wins tomorrow. If so, it will be his first Elite 8 in 12 years on the job. Since this is the best team we've had since the Baby Boilers and likely for the foreseeable future (unless Biggie stays or another top 20 type joins us, both of which seem unlikely) this is definitely the year to do it.

If not, I would think more people will see/think S16 and the occasional B1G championship is his ceiling. Some are good with that, others are not. Should be a fun game and I am rooting for CMP and Purdue to burst through that ceiling. If so, we have a solid shot at our first final four in almost 40 years.
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I don't know if I agree. As good as Biggie is, and as much of a loss as that would be, I have hope that we can be as good or better next season. The reason is because sometimes a senior class of starters who have played together for four years can be just as good as, or better than, a 5 star recruit. Look at what Wisconsin did in 2014-15, making it to the finals. Kaminski was amazing, but he wasn't a one and done type-- he was a senior who had steadily improved every year. They basically went to the finals because of their experience rather than a single superior player. You look at our senior class next year, plus the younger guys coming back, and the guys we are adding... and I think we couldbe really good. I'm not saying we will be, but it's a possibility.
 
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I don't know if I agree. As good as Biggie is, and as much of a loss as that would be, I have hope that we can be as good or better next season. The reason is because sometimes a senior class of starters who have played together for four years can be just as good as, or better than, a 5 star recruit. Look at what Wisconsin did in 2014-15, making it to the finals. Kaminski was amazing, but he wasn't a one and done type-- he was a senior who had steadily improved every year. They basically went to the finals because of their experience rather than a single superior player. You look at our senior class next year, plus the younger guys coming back, and the guys we are adding... and I think we couldbe really good. I'm not saying we will be, but it's a possibility.
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I hear what you're saying. The one thing I like about next years squad already (besides what you said) is the 6'5 combo guard in Eastern. If he is as good as some on this board think, that could be a big time addition. Can he come in and give us a boost like CE has this year?

The worry for me is not only losing Biggie's scoring/rebounding/leadership (although all are HUGE) but also I'm not terribly excited about our bigs as Haas hasn't proven he can be the guy and our depth behind him is very unproven. That plus the fact that we will still not be an overly athletic team seems to limit chances. But who knows... each year is different.
 
slidde01 said:
...has someone lined up to replace Painter in case we lose tomorrow?

I wonder if Izzo or Coach K will be available after their March losses???

You think we could put up Counzo's buyout and free him from Mizzou?

I am start to warm up to the fire painter point of view, it just makes sense. You lose in March, you get fired.

Plus he doesn't ever play zone?!? WTF doesn't play zone these days???
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Okay I have to admit it, that was well done and hilarious.
 
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depthcharge623 said:
I don't know if I agree. As good as Biggie is, and as much of a loss as that would be, I have hope that we can be as good or better next season. The reason is because sometimes a senior class of starters who have played together for four years can be just as good as, or better than, a 5 star recruit. Look at what Wisconsin did in 2014-15, making it to the finals. Kaminski was amazing, but he wasn't a one and done type-- he was a senior who had steadily improved every year. They basically went to the finals because of their experience rather than a single superior player. You look at our senior class next year, plus the younger guys coming back, and the guys we are adding... and I think we couldbe really good. I'm not saying we will be, but it's a possibility.
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You're forgetting Sam Dekker: he was a 5 star.
 
cprh9u said:
If not, I would think more people will see/think S16 and the occasional B1G championship is his ceiling. Some are good with that, others are not. Should be a fun game and I am rooting for CMP and Purdue to burst through that ceiling. If so, we have a solid shot at our first final four in almost 40 years.
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I know this is a common theme for nearly every team in the country. There are upsets every year. Look at what Michigan is doing this year. Every team in the tournament has a chance so even if we don't have a Biggie, you just need the right chemistry and confidence.

The whole "ceiling" concept is bogus.
 
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Good catch. But he turned out to be a bit of a dud right? How many 5 stars stay for three years? His averages I'm college were not amazing. His senior year he was 13 ppg and 5 apg.
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Some of that might be due to the Wisconsin structure. He did get drafted top-20 with Houston. Missed almost all of last year with a back injury, but he's had some moments this year.....now his minutes have been decreasing lately, so maybe the jury is still out for how long he'll stick.
 
Pete's Hammer said:
I know this is a common theme for nearly every team in the country. There are upsets every year. Look at what Michigan is doing this year. Every team in the tournament has a chance so even if we don't have a Biggie, you just have the right chemistry and confidence.

The whole "ceiling" concept is bogus.
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I don't think it's bogus at all. Some coaches seem to have it, some don't. UM is a great example... they have Beilein. Even in a down year for them, he can coach them up come tourney time and has proven it before. Having the right "chemistry and confidence" doesn't magically happen... it all starts with the head coach.
 
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I don't think it's bogus at all. Some coaches seem to have it, some don't. UM is a great example... they have Beilein. Even in a down year for them, he can coach them up come tourney time and has proven it before. Having the right "chemistry and confidence" doesn't magically happen... it all starts with the head coach.
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Beilein is a great coach. But his starting five was as talented as any in the B1G, leaving me to wonder how they finished 8th.
 
cprh9u said:
I don't think it's bogus at all.
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Sorry but it is. All a coach needs is a decent team and a little luck and they can run deep in the tourney. Just look at UM. You're trying to predetermine a coaches entire career and assume they don't learn and grow, which is not what is happening in regards to Painter.

Sorry CP, I generally try to stay away from this kind of back and forth but your a bit off on this one.
 
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Beilein is a great coach. But his starting five was as talented as any in the B1G, leaving me to wonder how they finished 8th.
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Exactly right. If he / they were that much better, Purdue can't possibly beat UM, UW, OSU, MSU, IU......hell, all of them. However, they did. The concept that the March tournament is the only meaningful measure of a good coach is ridiculous. Always has been, always will be.

Keady is a NATIONAL coaching legend and never went to a Final Four. What he did to teach kids to become men is infamous and far outweighs the importance of the last game of the year. Painter still has a long time to make many Elite 8's and Final 4's.

JMHO, but I laugh at the sentiment that the March tournament is the end all, be all.
 
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Sure hope Painter wins tomorrow. If so, it will be his first Elite 8 in 12 years on the job. Since this is the best team we've had since the Baby Boilers and likely for the foreseeable future (unless Biggie stays or another top 20 type joins us, both of which seem unlikely) this is definitely the year to do it.

If not, I would think more people will see/think S16 and the occasional B1G championship is his ceiling. Some are good with that, others are not. Should be a fun game and I am rooting for CMP and Purdue to burst through that ceiling. If so, we have a solid shot at our first final four in almost 40 years.
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Many of you guys were saying that you saw PJ's ceiling and Mathius' ceiling when they were FRESHMEN. "What you see is what you will always get," is what you were saying. Sorry, but you guys don't get to decide how good someone else can become.
 
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BoilerAndy said:
Many of you guys were saying that you saw PJ's ceiling and Mathius' ceiling when they were FRESHMEN. "What you see is what you will always get," is what you were saying. Sorry, but you guys don't get to decide how good someone else can become.
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If I'm critical, it's about Painter and not players. That said, PJT is a 7 pt 3 assist 1 steal guy playing 28 MPG this year as a junior. So...
 
BoilerAndy said:
Much more than 63. Every coach except one should be fired. Fortunately for almost all of these coaches, their fans are Settlers... you know... like the DirecTV commercial.
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Who was it awhile back that was hung up on the Settlers thing? Hopefully someone can call them out and we can truly begin the deserved ridicule.
 
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Exactly right. If he / they were that much better, Purdue can't possibly beat UM, UW, OSU, MSU, IU......hell, all of them. However, they did. The concept that the March tournament is the only meaningful measure of a good coach is ridiculous. Always has been, always will be.

Keady is a NATIONAL coaching legend and never went to a Final Four. What he did to teach kids to become men is infamous and far outweighs the importance of the last game of the year. Painter still has a long time to make many Elite 8's and Final 4's.

JMHO, but I laugh at the sentiment that the March tournament is the end all, be all.
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Spoken like a true Purdue fan who has never experienced post-season success.
 
cprh9u said:
If I'm critical, it's about Painter and not players. That said, PJT is a 7 pt 3 assist 1 steal guy playing 28 MPG this year as a junior. So...
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And that tells the whole story about PJ. He contributes nothing else, right?
 
BBG said:
Sorry but it is. All a coach needs is a decent team and a little luck and they can run deep in the tourney. Just look at UM. You're trying to predetermine a coaches entire career and assume they don't learn and grow, which is not what is happening in regards to Painter.

Sorry CP, I generally try to stay away from this kind of back and forth but your a bit off on this one.
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They have a coach that led them to the NC game a few years ago and has been to 3 elite 8's.

People on here are already trying to prepare for if CMP loses, how they can say it doesn't matter, he's still awesome. I'd say we have all offseason to debate that. Quit looking for arguments and let's enjoy tonight. We are playing a 1 seed for the right to advance where CMP has never been before and where we as fans haven't been in years. Let that be the sole focus.
 
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And that tells the whole story about PJ. He contributes nothing else, right?
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You can't find an argument from me where I say PJT is terrible and should be off the team, or anything like that. Not sure where this is coming from other than your insecurity. I think PJT is a solid and steady B1G backup type of PG ideally, and certainly has a role on this team. I think there are a number of PG's I would prefer to have, but I certainly don't dislike him. I was the first to reply positively to the "Take PJ out of the final 2 minutes" thread which I didn't start or contribute to after he iced the game against ISU. I'm rarely if ever down on players, but will give my opinion about grown men who are making millions as coaches.
 
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People on here are already trying to prepare for if CMP loses,
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To be fair I don't think people are setting up for a loss, it's just been a great season regardless of what happens tonight.

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I'd say we have all offseason to debate that.
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It's been "debated" all season long and all last season and will if we lose as the forum will be inundated like it always is by those wanting Painter fired. It's tiresome because he isn't going anywhere and any coach that would replace him will have flaws as well since ALL coaches do.

cprh9u said:
Quit looking for arguments and let's enjoy tonight.
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I am just responding to what you posted, so perhaps don't post something so argumentative if you don't want it responded to.

cprh9u said:
We are playing a 1 seed for the right to advance where CMP has never been before and where we as fans haven't been in years. Let that be the sole focus.
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On that we agree.
 
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You can't find an argument from me where I say PJT is terrible and should be off the team, or anything like that. Not sure where this is coming from other than your insecurity. I think PJT is a solid and steady B1G backup type of PG ideally, and certainly has a role on this team. I think there are a number of PG's I would prefer to have, but I certainly don't dislike him. I was the first to reply positively to the "Take PJ out of the final 2 minutes" thread which I didn't start or contribute to after he iced the game against ISU. I'm rarely if ever down on players, but will give my opinion about grown men who are making millions as coaches.
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Fair enough. Nothing to disagree with in that post.

Except the part about me being insecure. Who have you been talking to about me?
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cprh9u said:
Spoken like a true Purdue fan who has never experienced post-season success.
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Spoken like an IU fan touting their dusty banners. If there was every any doubt to your true colors, you just erased it with this single comment.

As some of guessed, you're just an IU fan pretending to be a Purdue fan and trolling. Kessel is that you?
 
cprh9u said:
Spoken like a true Purdue fan who has never experienced post-season success.
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Spoken like a Purdue graduate that realizes that at the end of the day, what round the last game is played is really not that damn important. The other teams have players that want to win as well. More than half the field in THIS year's tournament are back home already including Duke and MSU. Purdue has been to Elite 8's, the Final Four, the Rose Bowl and have won championships in my lifetime. I've seen MANY national stories about Purdue, its players and its coaches in each of the last 4 decades involving many sports. I've seen Purdue have post-season success beyond what most programs could even begin to dream about.

Sorry if you missed all of that.

If you've kept your eyes opened this week, you've probably spotted a big, old gold and black "P" in nearly every broadcast, article or blog. That's Purdue.
 
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In essence, so are you with comments you have made.
It's been "debated" all season long and all last season and will if we lose as the forum will be inundated like it always is by those wanting Painter fired. It's tiresome because he isn't going anywhere and any coach that would replace him will have flaws as well since ALL coaches do. I am just responding to what you posted, so perhaps don't post something so argumentative if you don't want it responded to. On that we agree.
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Who started this thread? Someone talking about CMP being fired or someone insecure about CMP and prepping for a loss? Look at my initial posts... is there anti-CMP stuff there? I said chemistry and confidence starts with the head coach, it isn't luck. People want to start crap with that but I don't... I want to enjoy the game tonight.

By the way, I agree CMP is going NOWHERE. We've seen him fluctuate as low as last place in the B1G 3 short years ago in the middle of a 4 year NCAA winless streak to winning the B1G and making it to the S16 this year, which ties for his best finish ever, even if we lose tonight. He isn't going anywhere at a school like Purdue when he is doing as well as he's ever done and most are satisfied. Not arguing with you there.
 
Pete's Hammer said:
Spoken like a Purdue graduate that realizes that at the end of the day, what round the last game is played is really not that damn important. The other teams have players that want to win as well. More than half the field in THIS year's tournament are back home already including Duke and MSU. Purdue has been to Elite 8's, the Final Four, the Rose Bowl and have won championships in my lifetime. I've seen MANY national stories about Purdue, its players and its coaches in each of the last 4 decades involving many sports. I've seen Purdue have post-season success beyond what most programs could even begin to dream about.

Sorry if you missed all of that.

If you've kept your eyes opened this week, you've probably spotted a big, old gold and black "P" in nearly every broadcast, article or blog. That's Purdue.
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Yes, Duke and MSU are home but both have NC's and multiple final fours in the past few years. Obviously not everyone can win it every year.

Glad you experienced a final 4, it was before I was born... not sure what "championships" you are referencing besides women's basketball who I believe has 1...

Either way, glad you are happy with the final 4 from nearly 40 years ago and the women's basketball NC. I'm hoping for more.

With that said, I'm out of this thread. Looking forward to tonight and a Purdue win!
 
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