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Did Purdue get a commit this evening?

From what I have seen, I don't agree with this. Williams isn't a known shooter and isn't going to beat people of the dribble. He is better served in the post of offense where he can clean the boards. I hope he develops a 3 point shot like Biggie and can steal 3-6 points a game that way.

Dowuana isn't an outside shooter. He has some very nice touch near the rim and will be a dominant scorer. At this point though, he isn't a rim defender. He isn't afraid of contact though, which means he could easily develop into one. Dowuana has tremendous upside and could end up like JJ with a very nice midrange and see dramatic improvement every year. He is fairly new to basketball and eager to learn. I love this pickup.

I am thinking Castleton would have been a slightly better fit in that he already has an outside shot and he already is more of a rim defender. That means that early on, he fits PERFECTLY with Williams as the 4. This year's team will generally have 4 deep threats on the court at all times. Next year, it won't be that way if you see Williams and Dowuana on the court at the same time. If Purdue had Castleton that could seemlessly switch who was in and out of the post and still have four shooters on the court.

Here is the caveat. We don't know yet what we have in Haarms. Haarms may end up playing the stretch on offense and allowing Williams to play the post. Williams is quick for his size, but if he is going to play four on defense he will need to work hard to continue to slim down and get stronger. Williams seems like such a great kid though, I don't think it will be a problem. Dowuana may be used like Haas for the first few years by coming 10-20 minutes, come in and give the other teams fits on defense. He will have very good numbers and lots of opportunities to improve just like Haas.

We really needed two big guys in this class and I am glad we we're able to land Dowuana. I love the upside here. He could be exactly like JJ in the future. I can't say enough good things about Williams. I was just as excited to land him as when Purdue landed Eastern last year. I am not sure what Taylor plans on doing next year, or what Purdue has in Ewing. But, now Purdue has three young big men with all kinds of upside and they all three do very different things. Although Castleton might have been a better fit immediately, Dowuana has more upside. I think that is the reason to be excited.
E D not a rim protector?? That is exactly what he is!
 
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And from ESPN on the young man:
Strengths:
Dowuona is an emerging prospect with a high ceiling. He's most impactful on the defensive end right now where he isn't just a high level rim protector but also a great communicator. He gets off his feet quickly.

Odd because his coach and all previous scouting reports said he is NOT a rim defender as a strength. Maybe ESPN knows something they don't, or unless he has drastically improved in the last few months, I'll trust what I read on multiple other accounts. That doesn't mean he won't be an elite rim protector though. He is very athletic and really listens to his coaches. All the reports said he could end up being an elite defender, he just isn't there yet. Most of that is due to the fact he is still learning the game. He has improved so much every year and he has crazy upside.
 
Odd because his coach and all previous scouting reports said he is NOT a rim defender as a strength. Maybe ESPN knows something they don't, or unless he has drastically improved in the last few months, I'll trust what I read on multiple other accounts. That doesn't mean he won't be an elite rim protector though. He is very athletic and really listens to his coaches. All the reports said he could end up being an elite defender, he just isn't there yet. Most of that is due to the fact he is still learning the game. He has improved so much every year and he has crazy upside.
well, I second getting off his feet quick...why the reference to Russell Cross in "that" aspect...
 
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well, I second getting off his feet quick...why the reference to Russell Cross in "that" aspect...

I don't want to be misunderstood here. Everybody believes he will be an elite rim protector due to all of his tangibles and intangibles. But, if you are expecting senior year JJ as a Freshman on defense, that isn't what Purdue is getting. I am expecting him to develop because that is what Purdue does for big men. His strength right now, however, is offense. Incredible touch close to the rim and decent moves for his size. He is also pretty athletic for his size. This is a heck of a pickup, but I would be surprised if he steps in as a freshman and is an elite rim protector.
 
I'm not holding my breath either, painter just doesn't land top kids too often at all. As far as using both lists, espn has dowouna as a 4 star but trevion is unrated, rivals has trevion as a 4 star but dowouna is unrated. So you're point that hunter would make 2 kids higher than dowouna doesn't make since unless you're strictly using rivals, where they don't have him rated as a 4 star.
Unlike IU, CMP doesn't have to land incredibly high rated players to be successful...the same with Bo Ryan and Whisky. I'd take a coach who can develop players and make them into good players rather than a coach who takes top talent and does little to nothing with it.
 
I don't want to be misunderstood here. Everybody believes he will be an elite rim protector due to all of his tangibles and intangibles. But, if you are expecting senior year JJ as a Freshman on defense, that isn't what Purdue is getting. I am expecting him to develop because that is what Purdue does for big men. His strength right now, however, is offense. Incredible touch close to the rim and decent moves for his size. He is also pretty athletic for his size. This is a heck of a pickup, but I would be surprised if he steps in as a freshman and is an elite rim protector.
I'm pretty sure he is exactly opposite of what you are describing. He is already a very good defender, and he has a long way to go on the offensive end. Check out the available videos of him and you will see this.
 
I'm pretty sure he is exactly opposite of what you are describing. He is already a very good defender, and he has a long way to go on the offensive end. Check out the available videos of him and you will see this.
reminds me of Mutumbo. Glad we got him.
 
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reminds me of Mutumbo. Glad we got him.
As a shot blocker, I saw some similarities to AJ Hammons in that he appeared to have great timing and the ability to wait until the offensive player commits and block the shot while not jumping any higher than he has to.
 
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It's decent. Trvion isn't on that list though and 9 other big schools have a higher rated recruit then dowouna including rutgers and northwestern. Would be nice if painter was capable of landing top 50 guys more than once every 5 or 6 years.
This decade:Matt Painter 9 wins,Gloomington Loosers 5.Painter has outlasted three Hoosier coaches and Miller may be the fourth.Stick that in your pipe and smoke it,turkey.
And what has Painter done in that time at Purdue in terms of Championships? About as much as the coaches at IU. The difference being thats not good enough at IU.
 
I don't want to be misunderstood here. Everybody believes he will be an elite rim protector due to all of his tangibles and intangibles. But, if you are expecting senior year JJ as a Freshman on defense, that isn't what Purdue is getting. I am expecting him to develop because that is what Purdue does for big men. His strength right now, however, is offense. Incredible touch close to the rim and decent moves for his size. He is also pretty athletic for his size. This is a heck of a pickup, but I would be surprised if he steps in as a freshman and is an elite rim protector.
None of my comments were intended to suggest such...FWIW
 
And what has Painter done in that time at Purdue in terms of Championships? About as much as the coaches at IU. The difference being thats not good enough at IU.
Saying it's not good enough doesn't change the reality that IU hasn't won in decades. We may well hear the same thing in 6-8 years...Arch just ain't good enough for IU.
 
And what has Painter done in that time at Purdue in terms of Championships? About as much as the coaches at IU. The difference being thats not good enough at IU.
LOL! I'm guessing you're at least 50+ years old as the iu of today is not the iu my grandfather grew up with. iu's coach's since 1987 don't exactly scream elite national championship caliber. It's your fantasy though, tell it any way you wish.
 
Unlike IU, CMP doesn't have to land incredibly high rated players to be successful...the same with Bo Ryan and Whisky. I'd take a coach who can develop players and make them into good players rather than a coach who takes top talent and does little to nothing with it.
Might want to rethink your statement. The only time painter has won a big ten championship or, been to a s16 painter had a top 40 guy on the roster.
 
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And what has Painter done in that time at Purdue in terms of Championships? About as much as the coaches at IU. The difference being thats not good enough at IU.
The difference being every 3-4 years IU fires their coach and starts over from scratch and hopes this will be the guy to make it seem like the 70’s again.

Rinse, lather, repeat.
 
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The difference being every 3-4 year’s IU fires their coach and starts over from scratch and hopes this will be the guy to make it seem like the 70’s again.

Rinse, lather, repeat.
The fans are used to it though because their favorite football team up in South Bend is getting ready to do it again...
 
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The fans are used to it though because their favorite football team up in South Bend is getting ready to do it again...
Isn't it odd how the reversible jacket teams have faded into mediocrity in almost the exact same time frame and manner? And both fan bases seem to be the last to recognize this fact.
 
He's not truly a four-star player unless he's ranked on both sites. The kid may be okay on defense but he has a long long long way to go on offense. The Castleton kid would have been a better pick up. And if you think this kid's not a project you're crazy he's only been playing basketball for two years.
 
But I don't know what I'm talking about I'm an IU troll. This kid won't see the floor till 3rd or 4th year and if he does that just means we're in trouble.
 
Might want to rethink your statement. The only time painter has won a big ten championship or, been to a s16 painter had a top 40 guy on the roster.
And how many Top 40-50ish guys has IU had on their roster only to flame out the last 10 years. My point is that overall, CMP has been much more effective than not when getting talent around the area he is currently getting....and he is getting it on a more consistent basis now than before. And again, your point some what proves mine.....A top 40 player. A single top 40 guy on a team. How many other programs have a single top 40 or 50 guy and don't do as well?? A lot...many of the teams like MSU, UK, Kansas, UNC, Duke, etc....all have multiple top 40-50 guys.
 
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But I don't know what I'm talking about I'm an IU troll. This kid won't see the floor till 3rd or 4th year and if he does that just means we're in trouble.
You just mad we got a project and you can't handle it. You can't do nothing about miserable man. Somebody did you wrong and you on a message board venting like a little B. Fly away little birdie go back in your whole you come from lonely miserable unhappy wannabe fan. Why you keep saying We you are not a fan dude you are mad that painter got a project and he happy as hell and you still mad. Can't wait for the season hope you come introduce yourself COWARD
 
You just mad we got a project and you can't handle it. You can't do nothing about miserable man. Somebody did you wrong and you on a message board venting like a little B. Fly away little birdie go back in your whole you come from lonely miserable unhappy wannabe fan. Why you keep saying We you are not a fan dude you are mad that painter got a project and he happy as hell and you still mad. Can't wait for the season hope you come introduce yourself COWARD
Nothing like getting called a B**** on a message board by a poster who is generally accepted as being the mother of one of the players on the team we all support on a Wednesday afternoon.

You do realize she has multiple points that prove many of your ideas false....especially the fact she has never once called her son's team 'we' or 'us' and she arguably could being that her son is on the team. Your posts, in general, have troll written all over them from the first time you probably posted 'long time reader but first time poster....' Honestly, if you brought rationale and sound arguments to the board and did it in a non-douchey way, you'd have an ounce of respect here...but generally speaking you don't do that and continue to not only bark up the wrong tree, you do it being an asshat.
 
You just mad we got a project and you can't handle it. You can't do nothing about miserable man. Somebody did you wrong and you on a message board venting like a little B. Fly away little birdie go back in your whole you come from lonely miserable unhappy wannabe fan. Why you keep saying We you are not a fan dude you are mad that painter got a project and he happy as hell and you still mad. Can't wait for the season hope you come introduce yourself COWARD
Uh Oh '73 ... when Momma's not happy, no ones' happy!!!!
 
But I don't know what I'm talking about I'm an IU troll. This kid won't see the floor till 3rd or 4th year and if he does that just means we're in trouble.
We're in trouble what!!!!!!!!! It might be it might take 7/8 years than we really in big big trouble what shall we do 1973. You seem to no it all and have such negative way of thinking and negative opinions you my friend pulling out your hair with anger and discuss that you still come on a message board like the punk you are hiding behind a board talking nonsense. Guess what I love it now leave go home to your mommy and cry in he shoulders bcuz painter got a 0 star recruit I love it keep them coming.
 
And how many Top 40-50ish guys has IU had on their roster only to flame out the last 10 years. My point is that overall, CMP has been much more effective than not when getting talent around the area he is currently getting....and he is getting it on a more consistent basis now than before. And again, your point some what proves mine.....A top 40 player. A single top 40 guy on a team. How many other programs have a single top 40 or 50 guy and don't do as well?? A lot...many of the teams like MSU, UK, Kansas, UNC, Duke, etc....all have multiple top 40-50 guys.
You said we don't need highly rated players to accomplish great things. I pointed out the only time painter accomplished anything of significance was with highly rated players. That doesn't prove your point at all, not even sure how you gathered that from what i stated haha. And i love how you used msu, duke, Kansas etc as teams with multiple top 50 guys as some sort of proof those players don't guarantee success. Uh, those are the most successful bball programs around.
 
Listen I'm just simply saying he's a project player and he is. Definitely not pulling my hair out and definitely not going to change my opinion. And the Castleton kid would have been a better pick up. Again my opinion you don't have to like it.
 
And is my opinion this is the exact reason why we haven't been to a final four. Hey there is something positive for Purdue really really like the football team and I feel this football coach is going to do great things here.
 
Listen I'm just simply saying he's a project player and he is. Definitely not pulling my hair out and definitely not going to change my opinion. And the Castleton kid would have been a better pick up. Again my opinion you don't have to like it.
I hate it when someone's first word is "LISTEN...." just hate being demeaned in that way. Oh, and I certainly will not LISTEN when I'm ordered to ... not in my DNA.
 
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You said we don't need highly rated players to accomplish great things. I pointed out the only time painter accomplished anything of significance was with highly rated players. That doesn't prove your point at all, not even sure how you gathered that from what i stated haha. And i love how you used msu, duke, Kansas etc as teams with multiple top 50 guys as some sort of proof those players don't guarantee success. Uh, those are the most successful bball programs around.

You are totally mis-reading my post. I pointed out that CMP is successful with a single top 40 guys and that other programs that are of similar talent level tend to not perform as well...where as teams with multiple top 40-50 guys tend to be the ones who are extremely successful.

If you define college basketball success only through the lens of Final Fours and National Championships, that's fine....our definition is then vastly different.
 
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