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Depth of Talent on this Team...

Ah ah sorry. You had a typo and I couldn’t fully understand but do now. You’re saying they can’t take their guy 1/1. Gotcha. Yeah agreed. I’ll finally cave and say I agree there. Still not sure if they’ve been told not to and that’s why they don’t look/even try or if it’s they really can’t.

Paint in an interview last year— in the middle of the year, said Myles could get to his spot and get any shot he wanted. We saw some flashes of that but this year it seems he’s been shut off and it’s messing with his head. But we do also know paint likes to have his best scorers shoot the ball the most (not a bad strategy) but that can come back to bite you sometimes in situations like this.
Yeh, sometimes my brain works faster than my fingers and results in a typo that essentially is the opposite of what I was intending to say. Good catch.
 
I think that players get in slumps for two reasons. Sometimes they develop a mechanical issue that needs to be corrected, but typically, I believe, the real issue is self doubt. It’s about trying not to miss rather than just completely trusting your mechanics. Not sure that there are easy answers, but I have seen a lot of players come out of slumps on the other side and I am hopeful that these two will be able to emerge from their’s in the not to distant future. They are both talented and I haven’t written either of them off.
Anyone who plays golf know what it's like to get a case of the yips. You start overthinking every shot instead of just letting it fly. But, it only take one good pure swing and ball flight to get it back.

I think PJ should run something at the rim for both these guys early so they can see the ball go through the basket as opposed to launching the first 3 look they get coming in cold.
 
Beginning the season...it appeared that Purdue'e roster was loaded with talent. Well...that has not played out as the season progressed. Tonight's game against Michigan was not the first time this season when it appeared Purdue was playing 3 or 4 on 5 with the only reliable, consistent players being Kaufman-Renn, Smith and Loyer with occasional contributions from Cox. Furst, Colvin, and Heidi do not show up most of the time. Zero, Zilch, Null from the bench tonight...and I believe it's not the first time that has happened this season. So...what appeared to be a promising future for Purdue basketball is rather murky, now. Thoughts?
I don't think you can handle losing, you over react, get your gun out and start shooting holes in everything you see. Purdue is 19-6, has played a top 5 schedule in the country, you can not do that without not having TALENT, PERIOD! I think almost every player on this roster has improved, especially on the defensive end, but most fans have blinders on and only see the offensive side of stats, they down play the defensive side of the game. Furst has been amazing, really proud of his play, him and Cox are the main reasons why are defense has blossomed the last 12 games. Cox is going to be special, I would like coach to give more of a green light, he is a really good all rounded player. Harris is going to be very special, him and Cox have talent. Burgess, for a freshman probably should have red shirted if not for Jackobsen injury, but he has a lot of skill. Purdue will be a TOP 5 team next year because of their overall talent! Purdue will not win the BT every year, but they still might win this year.
 
Understand this. In the 14 Big Ten games, Furst leads the entire team in shooting percentage from the floor (.651). In his 12 Big Ten starts, Furst has led the entire team in plus-minus-points four times (Northwestern plus-22, Rutgers plus-26, Oregon plus-9, USC plus-26). At Michigan, he was one of only three on the plus side in a game Purdue led for 35 minutes. It’s beyond opinion Purdue is better with him on the floor. It’s 10-2 in his starts, 9-4 otherwise. And if he got the calls every time he gets fouled, he’d be on the line more than Hunter Biden.
You don’t have to convince me. I’m a Furst defender!
 
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Not sure that has anything to do with anything. He's played in like, over 50 games, some of them high pressure on the biggest stage. He's not lacking in experience.
Did you ever play any type of contact sport with 23 year olds when you were 18-19 years old? Unless you were a LeBron level freak of nature, you were at a decided disadvantage.

My prediction: we won’t even recognize a 22 year old Myles Colvin.
 
And Edey is 7'4 too. Not all players under Painter have proven to be what he signed them for.


I think Heide might get better and I hope Colvin does as well. Those two turnovers took momentum away last night, while his 5 boards were certainly welcome. But his shot has struggled all year if you look at percentages even when wide open. And yes, I know others had turnovers too.

Last night Michigan was the better team. They took Smith out of his game, they hammered Furst down low, and we had no one step up off the bench. I know CMP has his system, but at this time getting closer to tourney time, I would like to see Waddell and Berg in the game more. Honestly, they might provide that spark that is needed. Or not.

You're not a great team when Colvin and Heide are the best you have off the bench.

I don't normally question refs either, but the guy's last night missed, or simply didn't call a lot of fouls. Furst was hammered down low on his shots, Smith was played very aggressively, Cox and TKR were pushed and shoved, but then a team should never let themselves get into a position where a ref's call/no call can beat you.
Why don’t you mention how bad Harris was? He was worse than both Heide and Colvin. Myles was second leading rebounder and yet you always find a way to say he was bad. Yeah he had two turnovers and there were a few box outs he missed that led to second chance points. But he was easily the best of himself, Heide and Harris. Harris had a bad foul 75 ft away from the basket and Heide was just…that may have been one of his worst games.

And Michigan was absolutely not the best team last night. We led for 35 mins and were up double digits 3 different times. We got to any spot we wanted. Just missed shots and then the FT disparity was horrendous but that’s another discussion.

Colvin and Heide aren’t the scorers for this team off the bench. Gicarri has been providing that and CJ has helped while he has started. I don’t get why you can’t grasp that Heide and Colvin are there for defense and rebounding at this point. Any extra offense is a huge plus, but that’s not their role.
 
Funny thing, there are heaps of players in the MVC and MAC that have the size/build of Heide and Colvin, that can dribble-drive to the basket. I wonder.......
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What was the reason that Purdue didn’t try to get Johnell Davis out of high school he would help this team also Murphy of EC is breaking Moores scoring record but Purdue is not interested in him either
 
Anyone who plays golf know what it's like to get a case of the yips. You start overthinking every shot instead of just letting it fly. But, it only take one good pure swing and ball flight to get it back.

I think PJ should run something at the rim for both these guys early so they can see the ball go through the basket as opposed to launching the first 3 look they get coming in cold.

Confidence - yes.....and self-belief reinforcement can go a long way.

On the lighter side - "Here's Lenny now Jim.....just needs this short one to take all the skins......Oh dear!"

"I think his grips were slick, Joe."

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This is why I believe the 26' recruiting class is so critical to our continued success. Obviously, we're going to be one of the top teams next year, but after Smith, Loyer and TKR graduate, we'll start a rebuild. How significant the drop off depends on the quality of that class. We have some nice pieces (Cox, Gicarri, Jacobsen) but we will need some studs in that class to remain a top 20 program. I'm talking about freshmen capable of starting in the B1G (like Smith and Loyer). Kinney and/or Reynolds fit that mold. Here's hoping.
I expect Burgess to become a really good player and Jack will add shooting and passing, but can’t speak to his D
 
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What was the reason that Purdue didn’t try to get Johnell Davis out of high school he would help this team also Murphy of EC is breaking Moores scoring record but Purdue is not interested in him either
Don’t believe Johnnell Davis was up to par grades wise…kinda also why he didn’t go to Michigan with Dusty.
Beginning the season...it appeared that Purdue'e roster was loaded with talent. Well...that has not played out as the season progressed. Tonight's game against Michigan was not the first time this season when it appeared Purdue was playing 3 or 4 on 5 with the only reliable, consistent players being Kaufman-Renn, Smith and Loyer with occasional contributions from Cox. Furst, Colvin, and Heidi do not show up most of the time. Zero, Zilch, Null from the bench tonight...and I believe it's not the first time that has happened this season. So...what appeared to be a promising future for Purdue basketball is rather murky, now. Thoughts?
murky???? We are playing for a 3 Pete still
And a 2 seed in the NCAAT during an expected “down year” lmao. Purdue basketball is in a great spot if you think things are now “murky”
 
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This is why I believe the 26' recruiting class is so critical to our continued success. Obviously, we're going to be one of the top teams next year, but after Smith, Loyer and TKR graduate, we'll start a rebuild. How significant the drop off depends on the quality of that class. We have some nice pieces (Cox, Gicarri, Jacobsen) but we will need some studs in that class to remain a top 20 program. I'm talking about freshmen capable of starting in the B1G (like Smith and Loyer). Kinney and/or Reynolds fit that mold. Here's hoping.
How many ppl knew smith would be a “stud” or Loyer able to hit huge shots? Or TKR after his Frosh and soph seasons? Or that edey would be who he became?

Trust in Painter to find those guys. Not quite sure what else he needs to do to prove that to you 😂
 
Why don’t you mention how bad Harris was? He was worse than both Heide and Colvin. Myles was second leading rebounder and yet you always find a way to say he was bad. Yeah he had two turnovers and there were a few box outs he missed that led to second chance points. But he was easily the best of himself, Heide and Harris. Harris had a bad foul 75 ft away from the basket and Heide was just…that may have been one of his worst games.

And Michigan was absolutely not the best team last night. We led for 35 mins and were up double digits 3 different times. We got to any spot we wanted. Just missed shots and then the FT disparity was horrendous but that’s another discussion.

Colvin and Heide aren’t the scorers for this team off the bench. Gicarri has been providing that and CJ has helped while he has started. I don’t get why you can’t grasp that Heide and Colvin are there for defense and rebounding at this point. Any extra offense is a huge plus, but that’s not their role.
I didn't mention Harris because the conversation wasn't about Harris.

And yes, Michigan was the best team last night. They came from 10 down in the first half and did the same the second half. They played smarter, more efficiently, and almost totally took Smith and TKR out of their games. They're a very good team who may go on a long run.

And wouldn't it be nice if Heide and Colvin, along with Harris could score at least 8 a game.

And you might want to check the rebounding stats again. Smith, Furst, TKR all had more than Myles. But for doing nothing else, those rebounds were appreciated.
 
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What was the reason that Purdue didn’t try to get Johnell Davis out of high school he would help this team also Murphy of EC is breaking Moores scoring record but Purdue is not interested in him either
I’ve seen Murphy play several times and see why Purdue is not interested in him.
 
Did you ever play any type of contact sport with 23 year olds when you were 18-19 years old? Unless you were a LeBron level freak of nature, you were at a decided disadvantage.

My prediction: we won’t even recognize a 22 year old Myles Colvin.
I question what his age has to do with him missing wide open 3s and making very lazy, casual passes that become turnovers? It's not like he's getting out physicalled by stronger, older players.
There's no complaint with the looks MC and Heide are getting. They're just not making them and it's hurting the team.
 
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Did you ever play any type of contact sport with 23 year olds when you were 18-19 years old? Unless you were a LeBron level freak of nature, you were at a decided disadvantage.

My prediction: we won’t even recognize a 22 year old Myles Colvin.
Most of these kids all played at a high-level HS and AAU, against many of the same players they play today. I've said before that I believe Myles struggles today are partly because of his lack of prime competition in HS and AAU where he was the stud against that lesser competition. Those days have now caught up with him and I've seen it many times watching my kids and grandkids play.

He's not prepared for the physicality, the quickness, nor the overall improvement of other players.

And how do you explain that Cox is better than Myles?
 
I don't think that's too different from every Painter team. There's usually a big 3-4 then a large talent dropoff.
Paint has been very clear that the offense is going to run through the key guys. If you're the number 4 or 5 scoring option you're not getting anything run for you. That doesn't minimize the importance for those guys to hit open shots or finish at the rim, but the Painter system is designed to rely on the go-to guys.

I hate when fans look at guys who aren't putting up stats and say 'they didn't do anything', but this team would greatly benefit if opposing defenses had to worry about anyone as a fourth scorer, even if it's just a threat to hit open threes.
 
Paint has been very clear that the offense is going to run through the key guys. If you're the number 4 or 5 scoring option you're not getting anything run for you. That doesn't minimize the importance for those guys to hit open shots or finish at the rim, but the Painter system is designed to rely on the go-to guys.

I hate when fans look at guys who aren't putting up stats and say 'they didn't do anything', but this team would greatly benefit if opposing defenses had to worry about anyone as a fourth scorer, even if it's just a threat to hit open threes.
Not sure Purdue has the third reliable 3 pt shooter as the fourth scorer. I think CJ could, but he defers a bit more now than he will in a year or two. It wasn't long ago there seemed to be little life in Carsen's shot, but then it went on a hot streak. None of this suggests an equal comparison to Myles or Cam, but a proportional improvement to when they did shoot better would make for tougher team
 
I don't think that's too different from every Painter team. There's usually a big 3-4 then a large talent dropoff.
Meh, I dunno. Last year we had a big three but you knew that you'd get blow up spots from Gillis, Jones, and yes Heide or Colvin on occasion enough that in any one game you ended up with other contributions most of the time.

Now it's really just Cox. Especially in 25.
 
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I didn't mention Harris because the conversation wasn't about Harris.

And yes, Michigan was the best team last night. They came from 10 down in the first half and did the same the second half. They played smarter, more efficiently, and almost totally took Smith and TKR out of their games. They're a very good team who may go on a long run.

And wouldn't it be nice if Heide and Colvin, along with Harris could score at least 8 a game.

And you might want to check the rebounding stats again. Smith, Furst, TKR all had more than Myles. But for doing nothing else, those rebounds were appreciated.
I mean First and TKR are SUPPOSED to have more than Myles.
 
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I didn't mention Harris because the conversation wasn't about Harris.

And yes, Michigan was the best team last night. They came from 10 down in the first half and did the same the second half. They played smarter, more efficiently, and almost totally took Smith and TKR out of their games. They're a very good team who may go on a long run.

And wouldn't it be nice if Heide and Colvin, along with Harris could score at least 8 a game.

And you might want to check the rebounding stats again. Smith, Furst, TKR all had more than Myles. But for doing nothing else, those rebounds were appreciated.
Hard disagree on them being the best team. If they were, they would have led for more than 3 minutes in the game.

Are you saying 8 a game for each of them cuz that will never happen. If so, we are either scoring a ton more or the big 3 aren’t scoring as much. But you and others need to get the offense is not mainly run fkr anyone outside the big 3. CJ or Harris sometimes get a look when the clock is winding down and every now and then CJ gets open for a shot. Myles and Heide get 1-3 open looks a game due to guys helping off to one of the big 3. It’s HARD to get into a rhythm when you don’t have consistent shots fabricated for you. However, if they aren’t hitting shots, they can at least do other things well. Myles was the best one off the bench last night, while not saying much, you could still give him credit.

And yeah messed up on the rebounds part. 5 boards in 9 mins is pretty good for a guy off the bench, though. But my point stands that you always dismiss anything good Colvin does and say “eh it wasn’t that good”. But Heide has been worse but there’s no call for him to lose mins or “ship has sailed”. Just funny man, that’s all. You go out of your way to diss Myles.

I wonder which player you’ll choose to nitpick and not give credit once he leaves?
 
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I mean First and TKR are SUPPOSED to have more than Myles.
No no, according to him Myles needs to shoot 100% from the floor. No turnovers. Lead the team in rebounding, scoring and every other category or else, he wasn’t that good.
 
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