Dem poster boy Garcia: Illegal immigrant, wife-beater AND human trafficker

[Quix0te]

This guy should be tied tied down spread-leg in the sodomy ward of that El Salvador prison.

Kilmar Abrego-Garcia suspected of human trafficking in report obtained by Fox News

The Homeland Security report states that "official law enforcement investigations" revealed Abrego-Garcia was a member of the notorious gang MS-13.

www.foxnews.com

 

[TwinDegrees2]

This guy should be tied tied down spread-leg in the sodomy ward of that El Salvador prison.

Kilmar Abrego-Garcia suspected of human trafficking in report obtained by Fox News

The Homeland Security report states that "official law enforcement investigations" revealed Abrego-Garcia was a member of the notorious gang MS-13.

www.foxnews.com

Your solution is too nice for him. Strip him naked as you suggested hand cuff him. cut down a fresh pine tree, staple him to the stump of fresh resin (this is where your imagination comes in), give him several hours of fire ants, then hit the stump with lighter fluid, flip an Ohio blue tip on the stump and give him a hatchet.

Problem solved.

Message to the rest sent.

 

[Katscratch]

This guy should be tied tied down spread-leg in the sodomy ward of that El Salvador prison.

Kilmar Abrego-Garcia suspected of human trafficking in report obtained by Fox News

The Homeland Security report states that "official law enforcement investigations" revealed Abrego-Garcia was a member of the notorious gang MS-13.

www.foxnews.com

Your solution is too nice for him. Strip him naked as you suggested hand cuff him. cut down a fresh pine tree, staple him to the stump of fresh resin (this is where your imagination comes in), give him several hours of fire ants, then hit the stump with lighter fluid, flip an Ohio blue tip on the stump and give him a hatchet.

Problem solved.

Message to the rest sent.

You two are some sick mutha-f-ers.

The guy came to this country illegally, but

1. was in the country legally,
2. awaiting legal process, and
3. has ZERO criminal convictions.

Your solution for people in that category is to rape, torture, and murder them.

You two are (I assume but cannot be sure) also in this country legally, and may or may not have criminal convictions. So I suppose you think that you also deserve to be sodomized and murdered?

 

[SKYDOG]

You two are some sick mutha-f-ers.

The guy came to this country illegally, but

1. was in the country legally,
2. awaiting legal process, and
3. has ZERO criminal convictions.

Your solution for people in that category is to rape, torture, and murder them.

You two are (I assume but cannot be sure) also in this country legally, and may or may not have criminal convictions. So I suppose you think that you also deserve to be sodomized and murdered?

How does one come in the country illegally, but resides in the country legally without becoming a citizen after 8 plus years?

 

[Katscratch]

How does one come in the country illegally, but resides in the country legally without becoming a citizen after 8 plus years?

Good question!

I think it's because

1. There is process to establish that people are actually in the country illegally - without it you get cases like the makeup artist guy that came here legally from Venezuela but was deported (to El Salvador!) without process that would have determined he should stay in the US.
2. There are way too many illegal entries to identify and process them all.
3. There are 'seeking asylum' loopholes that immigrants are aware of and take advantage of.
4. The Biden Administration f-d up border patrol and enforcement.
5. The Trump Administration f-d up processing for deportation by slashing the number of staff and judges needed to get them out.

 

[Quix0te]

Good question!

I think it's because

1. There is process to establish that people are actually in the country illegally - without it you get cases like the makeup artist guy that came here legally from Venezuela but was deported (to El Salvador!) without process that would have determined he should stay in the US.
2. There are way too many illegal entries to identify and process them all.
3. There are 'seeking asylum' loopholes that immigrants are aware of and take advantage of.
4. The Biden Administration f-d up border patrol and enforcement.
5. The Trump Administration f-d up processing for deportation by slashing the number of staff and judges needed to get them out.

You are badly confused. An illegal immigrant remains illegal after he is apprehended and placed on parole. It's called catch-and-release. These illegals are allowed to remain in the US pending their date in asylum court but that's what they are: Illegal immigrants on parole awaiting their day in court.

 

[Katscratch]

You are badly confused. An illegal immigrant remains illegal after his is apprehended and placed on parole. It's called catch-and-release. These illegals are allowed to remain in the US pending their date in asylum court but that's what they are: Illegal immigrants on parole awaiting their day in court.

That's fair.

And do think that all people in this status should be sodomized and murdered in an El Salvadorian prison, where they would be housed at the expense of the US taxpayers?

Better to process them quickly, conclusively determine status, and release them into the embassy/consulate of the country they came from in the US, where that country would be responsible for getting their returned citizens home.

If that country doesn't get their citizens home from their US -based embassy/consulate on US soil? Close down that embassy/consulate.

 

[Quix0te]

Better to process them quickly, conclusively determine status, and release them into the embassy/consulate of the country they came from in the US, where that country would be responsible for getting their returned citizens home.

No, it's better to keep them O*U*T like President Trump is doing in a bigly beautiful way. The irony is that the border wall really had little to do with it. The clincher was that Trump cancelled catch-and-release with an EO on Day One. Now illegals are either taken into custody or immediately deported. "Release" is no longer an option. That has reduced illegal immigration by a stunning 96%.

 

[Katscratch]

No, it's better to keep them O*U*T like President Trump is doing in a bigly beautiful way. The irony is that the border wall really had little to do with it. The clincher was that Trump cancelled catch-and-release with an EO on Day One. Now illegals are either taken into custody or immediately deported. "Release" is no longer an option. That has reduced illegal immigration by a stunning 96%.

Do you only read Fox News when you see a statistic cited by the Trump Administration that you find to be "stunning?"

Fact-checking the Trump White House's claims about illegal immigration dropping sharply

Illegal immigration at the U.S. southern border has dropped since Trump entered the White House. But the White House’s data use is misleading.

www.pbs.org

 

[atmafola]

great, he's a bad guy. follow the lawful process and the treat him and others accordingly,
@Quixote, the issue at stake here is "the how", not "the who" or the what.

Allowing this administration to get away with such unlawfulness, especially as they are arguing, is essentially granting them right to kidnap anyone and dump them in some foreign prison. That's super scary!

lets not get distracted by the who, how righteous or unrighteous he may be. please read the comments from Judge Wilkins on 4th circuit appeals court here. It's truly about what the federal government can and can not do, if we we still want to have country built on a constitution

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca4.178400/gov.uscourts.ca4.178400.8.0.pdf

 

[Quix0te]

Do you only read Fox News when you see a statistic cited by the Trump Administration that you find to be "stunning?"

How about MSM with data from the US Border Patrol?

MSN

 

[Quix0te]

great, he's a bad guy. follow the lawful process and the treat him and others accordingly,

The lawful process is to not enter the US illegally. He did not follow the lawful process.

 

[atmafola]

The lawful process is to not enter the US illegally. He did not follow the lawful process.

yes perhaps he committed an unlawful act, the proper response to unlawful acts is lawful due process with appropriate consequence.
Allowing anything else is scary and dangerous.

I am not here to adjudicate his right or wrong, whether he's a nice man or not. I am here to say the argument our executive branch is putting forth for how they acted is scary and dangerous. let them bring him and others like him back, run them through the lawful due process and then proceed from there.

And insisting on that is not about him, its about protecting everyone.

 

[Katscratch]

How about MSM with data from the US Border Patrol?

MSN

A few things:

1. That article is a link - not written by mainstream media like FoxNews, the Washington Post, The New York Post, etc.
2. Websites like MSN.com, Drudge, and others link all kinds of articles that they don't have editorial control over.
3. The article's author cites a bunch of (legit) statistics that could be interpreted in many ways. For instance, the article shows a dramatic decline in "number caught. Does that mean fewer are trying to jump the border, or that the same amount are trying and fewer are getting caught?

Now for me? The article makes a subjective point that I personally believe is flat-out true and a real positive from the Trump Administration (SEE... I can do that when I think it's warranted!!):

“Trump Effect’ Has Reduced Illegal Border Crossing​

The Department of Homeland Security believes that undocumented migrants are scared to cross the border for fear of apprehension and removal from the country. This has been deemed the “Trump effect” by members of the administration.

 

[SKYDOG]

The lawful process is to not enter the US illegally. He did not follow the lawful process.

This is pretty simple to understand, but many just can’t. They believe the liberal news outlets regardless of right and wrong.

 

[Katscratch]

The lawful process is to not enter the US illegally. He did not follow the lawful process.

For sure.

But we are a country of laws that has a process to deport someone that does what he did.

Follow our current process. Or, if that process is not the best solution - change the process. The Repubs control the Executive Branch and both houses of Congress - so pass a more effective/speed of deportation immigration bill!

 

[Katscratch]

This is pretty simple to understand, but many just can’t. They believe the liberal news outlets regardless of right and wrong.

How many people need to say the same non-political thing?!!?

This isn't about liberal vs conservative; it's about following the laws and process we currently have in place, and passing immigration reform to change the process as warranted.

 

[atmafola]

This is pretty simple to understand, but many just can’t. They believe the liberal news outlets regardless of right and wrong.

you are not understanding us. You keep thinking its about defending some guy who came to the country unlawfully. No. It's not about "the who", it's about the how.

Allowing the executive branch to get away with how it was done, means anyone living in the US can be kidnapped by them and dumped in the foreign prison without any due process and with no recourse to remedy it. You may think that's trivial and alarmist, but that's essentially at the crux of what the executive branch is arguing in court.

 

[Quix0te]

yes perhaps he committed an unlawful act, the proper response to unlawful acts is lawful due process with appropriate consequence.
Allowing anything else is scary and dangerous.

Read. Learn: What Is Expedited Removal?
Expedited removal allows immigration officers to remove certain noncitizens without a hearing in front of an immigration judge. This applies mainly to individuals caught near the U.S. border who entered the country illegally and have been in the U.S. for fewer than 14 days. Expedited removal can happen quickly, often without a formal court hearing.

Illegal Entry into the U.S. : Can You Be Deported?

Entered the U.S. illegally? Learn about the legal consequences, including the risk of deportation, and explore possible defenses to remain in the country.

sedaghatlaw.com

 

[TwinDegrees2]

You two are some sick mutha-f-ers.

The guy came to this country illegally, but

1. was in the country legally,
2. awaiting legal process, and
3. has ZERO criminal convictions.

Your solution for people in that category is to rape, torture, and murder them.

You two are (I assume but cannot be sure) also in this country legally, and may or may not have criminal convictions. So I suppose you think that you also deserve to be sodomized and murdered?

Born and raised in the USA. No criminal convictions. No night in the slammer.

 

[atmafola]

Read. Learn: What Is Expedited Removal?
Expedited removal allows immigration officers to remove certain noncitizens without a hearing in front of an immigration judge. This applies mainly to individuals caught near the U.S. border who entered the country illegally and have been in the U.S. for fewer than 14 days. Expedited removal can happen quickly, often without a formal court hearing.

Illegal Entry into the U.S. : Can You Be Deported?

Entered the U.S. illegally? Learn about the legal consequences, including the risk of deportation, and explore possible defenses to remain in the country.

sedaghatlaw.com

from your own post.

Expedited removal allows immigration officers to remove certain noncitizens without a hearing in front of an immigration judge. This applies mainly to individuals caught near the U.S. border who entered the country illegally and have been in the U.S. for fewer than 14 days. Expedited removal can happen quickly, often without a formal court hearing.

It is simply not applicable here. Please just stop trying to justify fundamental constitutional lawlessness because you like the end-results.

I have been reading exactly everything the executive branch has been filing in court about these cases. If they had valid legal arguments, like the stuff you posted above, they would have brought them up in court. The only consistent argument they keep putting forth in court is some version "once he's out of the country, it is foreign policy, The President/executive is allowed to do whatever in foreign policy. or that judiciary can't tell executive what to do"

Meanwhile, they are simultaneously out trying to get members of the public, like you, to focus on how despicable the guy is rather than what the core issue is. It's a distraction technique.

At the core of this issue is that executive is trying to get away with "they can just remove anyone residing in this country and dump them into a foreign prison without due process and no recourse by simply declaring the person a member of terrorist class without having to prove their assertions to anyone" That is wrong and scary!

 

[Riveting-]

Allowing this administration to get away with such unlawfulness, especially as they are arguing, is essentially granting them right to kidnap anyone and dump them in some foreign prison. That's super scary!

Let me know when the Trump admin kidnaps a US citizen and dumps them in a foreign prison, and then I might agree with you it is "super scary".

Until then, maybe you could find something more intelligent to be super scared about, like all the criminals and foreign assets still in the nation that the idiot Biden admin let in.

 

[Quix0te]

At the core of this issue is that executive is trying to get away with "they can just remove anyone residing in this country and dump them into a foreign prison without due process and no recourse by simply declaring the person a member of terrorist class without having to prove their assertions to anyone" That is wrong and scary!

These illegals are not American citizens and they do no have the constitutional rights that are afforded to American citizens. That doesn't mean that "they can just remove anyone residing in this country." That is crap that you made up. They are illegals and expediated removal is perfectly legal.

 

[atmafola]

Let me know when the Trump admin kidnaps a US citizen and dumps them in a foreign prison, and then I might agree with you it is "super scary".

I am reading this as, you are only willing to see this as problematic if it involves a US citizen. And that's exactly why people like me are fighting, so it never gets that to that point. Allowing this guys to kidnap and remove people without due process or recourse, means there is even no way to ascertain if the person removed is a US citizen or not. Why is it scary for me, historically, thats exactly one of the hallmarks of authoritarian regimes. being able to randomly disappear people they don't like.

Until then, maybe you could find something more intelligent to be super scared about, like all the criminals and foreign assets still in the nation that the idiot Biden admin let in.

I am not sure what this is addressing. I can certainly empathize with the grievances of those who feel wrong people were let in, and the fact there aren't easy legal options to mass-remove people. Perhaps congress can work to write constitutionally legal laws that can make that easier. But in the meantime, we can't be okay with violating some of the most basic principles on which the concept of American is built on.

 

[atmafola]

These illegals are not American citizens and they do no have the constitutional rights that are afforded to American citizens. That doesn't mean that "they can just remove anyone residing in this country." That is crap that you made up. They are illegals and expediated removal is perfectly legal.

wrong. please read the constitution. There are rights that are indeed dependent on citizenhood. There are other rights that is just dependent on being a human. Due process is absolutely NOT dependent on being a citizen. If the laws of US applies to you, you are entitled to due process.

and no one will dare argue that laws of US don't apply to non-citizens. Arguing so is arguing that non-citizens can do anything and its all lawful since they are not bound by the laws of US. And that's patently absurd.

Again "expedited removal" is not applicable here. (read your own link). If it was, the government would have used to it to argue why their actions were okay. they haven't at any point. Maybe they are doing so in newschannels you listen to, but they absolutely are not doing so in legal arguments they are making.

Again, there are partisan issues. There are even partisan angles to aspects of this issue. But what's at the core of this issue is not partisan. It's about basic constitution. Without which, we have nothing.

 

[Riveting-]

I am reading this as, you are only willing to see this as problematic if it involves a US citizen. And that's exactly why people like me are fighting, so it never gets that to that point. Allowing this guys to kidnap and remove people without due process or recourse, means there is even no way to ascertain if the person removed is a US citizen or not.

How are you 'fighting'?

There is no question Garcia is not a US citizen.

I am not sure what this is addressing. I can certainly empathize with the grievances of those who feel wrong people were let in, and the fact there aren't easy legal options to mass-remove people. Perhaps congress can work to write constitutionally legal laws that can make that easier. But in the meantime, we can't be okay with violating some of the most basic principles on which the concept of American is built on.

Congress already wrote such a law: the Alien Enemies Act, which allows members of groups defined as foreign terrorist organizations to be deported, as in this case.

 

[atmafola]

How are you 'fighting'?

There is no question Garcia is not a US citizen.


Congress already wrote such a law: the Alien Enemies Act, which allows members of groups defined as foreign terrorist organizations to be deported, as in this case.

and yeah, a wartime act, that the President is trying to desperately trying to stretch the definition the definition of war to make it applicable. You are free to be okay with executive declares its a war, and arbitrarily determines people itself has just determined the law should apply to.

Again it's not about Garcia, it's about the how. garcia is just face of it. it's about if you going to do remove people, do so lawfully. don't remove someone who has do-not-remove order. and if you haven't been lawful, fix your mistakes and then remove them lawfully.

"kidnapping and removing people just because you have declared them terrorist without due process or recourse" is scary. if the person is what you claim they are, following the lawful process should be straightforward and simple. go prove your case and remove the persons. Allowing them to do is allowing the government to declare anyone a terrorist and remove them to a foreign prison. Since there's no due process, there's no way to ascertain if Government's claims are even true, and that's even if anyone is made aware the person has been disappeared.

That same government (if not this admin, maybe another one) with that type of power today can declare you Riveting a terrorist tomorrow and then ship you off to some gulag in Siberia. Well, you will argue you are US citizen, they can't do that. But how do you prove you are a US citizen, when there's no due process for you to do that. And people say its okay for the government to do that.

That's what at stake here. not Garcia's legal status, not Garcia's like-ability.

 

[SKYDOG]

and yeah, a wartime act, that the President is trying to desperately trying to stretch the definition the definition of war to make it applicable. You are free to be okay with executive declares its a war, and arbitrarily determines people itself has just determined the law should apply to.

Again it's not about Garcia, it's about the how. garcia is just face of it. it's about if you going to do remove people, do so lawfully. don't remove someone who has do-not-remove order. and if you haven't been lawful, fix your mistakes and then remove them lawfully.

"kidnapping and removing people just because you have declared them terrorist without due process or recourse" is scary. if the person is what you claim they are, following the lawful process should be straightforward and simple. go prove your case and remove the persons. Allowing them to do is allowing the government to declare anyone a terrorist and remove them to a foreign prison. Since there's no due process, there's no way to ascertain if Government's claims are even true, and that's even if anyone is made aware the person has been disappeared.

That same government (if not this admin, maybe another one) with that type of power today can declare you Riveting a terrorist tomorrow and then ship you off to some gulag in Siberia. Well, you will argue you are US citizen, they can't do that. But how do you prove you are a US citizen, when there's no due process for you to do that. And people say its okay for the government to do that.

That's what at stake here. not Garcia's legal status, not Garcia's like-ability.

You sure seem to be overreacting to this whole circus. When a US citizen gets deported to some prison in another country then you have a point. It hasn’t happened so don’t let the boogeyman get you riled up.

The media and politicians are spreading false information to promote their hatred of Trump. This is doing nothing, but spreading vile and hate to divide the people in every way possible. They have been very successful.

 

[BB62]

These illegals are not American citizens and they do no have the constitutional rights that are afforded to American citizens. That doesn't mean that "they can just remove anyone residing in this country." That is crap that you made up. They are illegals and expediated removal is perfectly legal.

The 14 and 6th amendments say due process for any person, citizen or non citizen.

You guys can't just gloss over the parts of the constitution that conflict with your political point or personal point of view.

 

[Katscratch]

You sure seem to be overreacting to this whole circus. When a US citizen gets deported to some prison in another country then you have a point. It hasn’t happened so don’t let the boogeyman get you riled up.

The media and politicians are spreading false information to promote their hatred of Trump. This is doing nothing, but spreading vile and hate to divide the people in every way possible. They have been very successful.

Or…

People that are educated and knowledgeable make up their own damn minds, and notice that Trump is a complete train wreck that is hell bent on destroying democratic institutions, values, and norms.

 

[Quix0te]

The 14 and 6th amendments say due process for any person, citizen or non citizen.

That is a lie. It's some more crap that you made up.

 

[SKYDOG]

Or…

People that are educated and knowledgeable make up their own damn minds, and notice that Trump is a complete train wreck that is hell bent on destroying democratic institutions, values, and norms.

People have different values and opinions, but most are dumber than a brick when it comes to the political arena. When you ask different people a question on who are you voting for and why, most can’t even give a reason outside of being chained to their party.

 

[Katscratch]

People have different values and opinions, but most are dumber than a brick when it comes to the political arena. When you ask different people a question on who are you voting for and why, most can’t even give a reason outside of being chained to their party.

So true my friend. So true.

I’ve spent most of my life as a registered Republican but i was never chained to the political party. When Trump treated democracy and the rule of law as optional I was done with him. Still vote for Republicans locally, but not if they sell their soul to Trump.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

yes perhaps he committed an unlawful act, the proper response to unlawful acts is lawful due process with appropriate consequence.
Allowing anything else is scary and dangerous.

I am not here to adjudicate his right or wrong, whether he's a nice man or not. I am here to say the argument our executive branch is putting forth for how they acted is scary and dangerous. let them bring him and others like him back, run them through the lawful due process and then proceed from there.

And insisting on that is not about him, its about protecting everyone.

From Cornell University School of Law​

​

illegal immigrant​

More commonly referred to as undocumented immigrants, illegal immigrants are aliens who enter or remain in a country unlawfully. The category of “illegal immigrant” contrasts with “legal” or “documented” immigrants who enter a country through the proper channels. Under United States immigration law , a person can become an illegal immigrant by entering the country without an immigration inspection, entering the country fraudulently , or entering the country with a valid visa but remaining after the expiration of the visa.

The USA is a country of laws, and without laws, we become another lawless 3rd world country.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

These illegals are not American citizens and they do no have the constitutional rights that are afforded to American citizens. That doesn't mean that "they can just remove anyone residing in this country." That is crap that you made up. They are illegals and expediated removal is perfectly legal.

Perfectly stated Q. And I might add, removal is not only legal, it's expected to happen.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

and yeah, a wartime act, that the President is trying to desperately trying to stretch the definition the definition of war to make it applicable. You are free to be okay with executive declares its a war, and arbitrarily determines people itself has just determined the law should apply to.

Again it's not about Garcia, it's about the how. garcia is just face of it. it's about if you going to do remove people, do so lawfully. don't remove someone who has do-not-remove order. and if you haven't been lawful, fix your mistakes and then remove them lawfully.

"kidnapping and removing people just because you have declared them terrorist without due process or recourse" is scary. if the person is what you claim they are, following the lawful process should be straightforward and simple. go prove your case and remove the persons. Allowing them to do is allowing the government to declare anyone a terrorist and remove them to a foreign prison. Since there's no due process, there's no way to ascertain if Government's claims are even true, and that's even if anyone is made aware the person has been disappeared.

That same government (if not this admin, maybe another one) with that type of power today can declare you Riveting a terrorist tomorrow and then ship you off to some gulag in Siberia. Well, you will argue you are US citizen, they can't do that. But how do you prove you are a US citizen, when there's no due process for you to do that. And people say its okay for the government to do that.

That's what at stake here. not Garcia's legal status, not Garcia's like-ability.

A, do you have a daughter or son? A wife or significant other maybe?

 

[Riveting-]

So true my friend. So true.

I’ve spent most of my life as a registered Republican but i was never chained to the political party. When Trump treated democracy and the rule of law as optional I was done with him.

When did Trump treat democracy and the rule of law as optional, katBMW?

 

[Riveting-]

Here is a test case. Let's see if Trump follows the SC here or precedes to deport them anyway like Bagram Bob, atm, KatBMW and other libs are screeching about.

Supreme Court blocks new deportations of Venezuelans in Texas under 18th century Alien Enemies Act

The U.S. Supreme Court blocked, at least for now, the deportations of any Venezuelans held in northern Texas under an 18th century wartime law.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Katscratch]

When did Trump treat democracy and the rule of law as optional, katBMW?

 

[Katscratch]

When did Trump treat democracy and the rule of law as optional, katBMW?