The Constitution is written for American citizens, not for illegal aliens who came into our nation illegally. Here's a good example. Amendments 15, 23, 24 and 26 concern voting rights. So can illegals vote? For that matter, can a legal resident who is here on a student visa vote?
Dem poster boy Garcia: Illegal immigrant, wife-beater AND human trafficker
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That’s fundamentally false. And it can’t be anything but false. The constitution governs everything we call America and applies to everyone that’s bound by the laws of America. There are indeed certain aspects that only apply to citizens. You have some examples. But to declare the entire constitution applies only to citizens is … wrong! Just wrong! I tried to think of a more polite way to put it and couldn’t find any.
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No. I'm favor of congress making laws and the executive branch following them. That's the way it's supposed to be done according to the Constitution. And it wasn't open.
All of MAGA celebrates trump for declaring emergencies that aren't real so he can do what he wants. But you whined when Biden did it.
It's wrong for any president of any party.
The power of the president is out of control. You'll go back to bitching about it when the next dem is elected. But you like it now.
How about ABC? This is AOC's district:
Parents outraged over alleged prostitution near Queens elementary schools
Even though police made some arrests last week, some say the area surrounding three elementary schools looks more like a red light district than a place for children.
He believes he can spread outrageous and clearly false claims and his followers will believe him. That's why lying about his weight matters. It's all a pattern. Pretending it doesn't matter just leads to more and more lies. Sooner or later they start to matter.......like when people get scooped up and sent to foreign prisons.
Oh, you saw that on Fox News and that’s your entire basis for believing it is true?
Figures.
Good for Rogan.
So say AOC becomes president and she declares MAGA as a criminal gang affiliated with an international sponsor of terrorism, Russia.
At that point does she have the ability to round up people wearing MAGA hats and shirts with no due process and ship them to a super max prison in El Salvador?
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No, not the entire basis at all. You are saying that as a pathetic attempt to back out of your statement that people in sanctuary cities like Chicago and NYC are happy to be there without taking into account how poor people in the inner cities, which you appear to know nothing about, are negatively impacted by illegals. You don't care about them, obviously, or you wouldn't make such a dumb comment.
Links like the following are all over the internet, but I haven't seen any in which inner-city poor thank their leaders for bringing in illegal aliens to cause overcrowding of schools and public resources, increasing crime and the like. Have you?
Black residents of Chicago slam city over $51 million in migrant care, demand reparations
Black residents of Chicago tore into city leaders at a meeting on Wednesday as authorities were set to vote on allocating $51 million in migrant care.
cbsaustin.com
So now your point is that you can find articles that crimes have been committed in big cities? Guess what? Crime is in big cities. And small towns. And places with and without lots of immigrants.No, not the entire basis at all. You are saying that as a pathetic attempt to back out of your statement that people in sanctuary cities like Chicago and NYC are happy to be there without taking into account how poor people in the inner cities, which you appear to know nothing about, are negatively impacted by illegals. You don't care about them, obviously, or you wouldn't make such a dumb comment.
Links like the following are all over the internet, but I haven't seen any in which inner-city poor thank their leaders for bringing in illegal aliens to cause overcrowding of schools and public resources, increasing crime and the like. Have you?
Black residents of Chicago slam city over $51 million in migrant care, demand reparations
Black residents of Chicago tore into city leaders at a meeting on Wednesday as authorities were set to vote on allocating $51 million in migrant care.
That’s not a revelation at all. More convincing would be trends that are not anecdotal.
So let’s take a look at some facts, not anecdotes. Where do you think that these harmful immigrants are screwing things up? California, Arizona, Illinois, New Jersey, Texas, New York? Here are the poverty per capita losers:
No, not the point at all. The simplest things have to be explained to you.
You said above that people are happy to be in those cities. I said you are not taking into account the people in the inner cities who are impacted the most by immigration. The black people in the link were not complaining about crime, but about all the resources going to illegals who are making their inner city areas worse to live in.
Again, show me some links of poor inner city people thanking and lauding their leaders for devoting money and resources to supporting illegals.
So if I show you anecdotal evidence that someone, somewhere in an inner city was grateful that money and resources were devoted to immigrants you’d be convinced?
Yikes
Maybe we’re arguing different points; I agree with the general principle that we shouldn’t be spending tax dollars on immigrants that came here illegally. Full stop.
What I am stating is that the problem of illegal immigration is not nearly as dire as the Fox News pot-stirring , that many big cities are doing just fine (even though they have never been crime free) and that this issue should be handled with due process and way more efficiently than it has been.
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So you think the blacks in the video I linked are too stupid to know if their lives have been made worse by illegal immigration? That they need a well-to-do lib like you to tell them the "facts"? More lib racism on your part.
how do you prove you are a US citizen when there's no due process for you to prove that. You are just shipped off to some gulag.
I recognize the concern that some communist-leaning dem hack like AOC might consider such a scheme.
But back in reality, have there been any claims that any of the people deported by Trump are US citizens? Even one?
US citizens who are criminals being sent to Salvadoran prisons would be a step in that direction.
Because you are a documented illegal who is here under the catch-and-release program. That proves you are NOT a US citizen.
So that’s happened or just fear mongering against the administration?
True.
And what if you are not a US citizen that is in the country legally (maybe or not with a scheduled determination hearing), yet are deported to El Salvador without process. Can we agree that is not okay?
And can we agree that the least taxpayer burdensome way to deport is to drop them inside the foreign country’s in-US embassy and force them to do it?
A foreign country’s in-country embassy is the sovereign territory of that foreign country. The premises of an embassy is inviolable. No one can enter the embassy without permission and this includes the host country.
No, we agree that it is perfectly "okay" under the expedited removal process.
Expedited Removal Explainer
Expedited removal is a process by which low-level immigration officers can quickly deport certain noncitizens who are undocumented or have committed fraud or misrepresentation.
Trump said he is considering it. You good with it?
Is this another one of the things he says that we are supposed to ignore or believe? It confusing.
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Exactly. Instead of flying them back to the sovereign territory of the country they came from, drop them over the fence in Washington DC. Faster, more efficient, less expensive for the taxpayers.
Excellent thinking except for two things.
1. The embassy will simply push them back out.
2. The illegals will then walk away.
I think that one can believe common sense and separate the rest from the noise.
I am fine with him considering it. I will not be fine with him actually doing it if his legal people advise him it is unconstitutional.
Until that happens, which I think has zero probability, I will consider it just one more imaginary lib-dem TDS concern for you to rant about.
By common sense, I would be against it for a US citizen.
hasn't happened yet matters little to me if we allow the possibility of it happening.
no one had invoked Alien Enemies Act in peacetime ever. But it's on the book, someone came and used it and abused it. If you allow the current executive to disappear people to foreign prisons without due process or recourse by calling them terrorist without proving it in a court of law, some other day this executive or another will come use that same thing to disappear anyone they want by just calling them terrorist.
You are free to wait for proof its being done before you decide to be against it. I will rather remind anyone it is unconstitutional now. So we never set that type of precedence.
Rs have the president and both arms of the congress, why can't they just pass laws that pass the constitution that can address this issue.
and if some future government claims you Quixote are on that "catch-and-release" list and then ship you off to El Savador, then what
The question was, "have there been any claims that any of the people deported by Trump are US citizens? Even one?" You ducked it, but the answer is No.
Likewise, has Trump disobeyed any rulings of the Supreme Court? Even one?
Is your thinking really that shallow? You are talking nonsense, some Orwellian fiction that makes no sense. What if there really are little green men on the moon and they come to earth and try to turn you into cheese? What then?
Or what if an alien spaceship grabs him and takes him away? Then what?
I for one would much prefer they take katBMW away to improve the quality of this forum.
Then senator Van Hollen will have to kiss up to Musk to send him up to space for the rescue.
let's keep the abuse away from this discussion.
you are getting to my point. Allowing the executive to get away with this exactly laying the groundwork for what you rightly call "orwellian fiction."
Except, we will be saying its okay to make that fiction reality. Maybe this administration isn't the one that makes it so, maybe it is. I don't want to find out. I will rather keep that door closed and leave it as Orwellian fiction.
If you want to remove people, remove them via a lawful process that does not violate the constitution.
These "people" are not citizens. They are illegal invaders.
